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#1 · (Edited)
They finally dusted off the 93 cross-over project (they suspended development in Trollhatten a while ago) Swade's link: http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2005/10/some_real_cross.html

With the latest news of the Subie split and GMT360 end-of-life'g, the 93x is finally a go? I don't recall seeing the 93x on this site a month ago--only the 9x.

http://www.saab.com/main/GLOBAL/en/concept_cars.shtml

Looks like an SUV'fied 93 combi mixed with the 9x concept. Not bad. Isuzu Vehicross comes to mind (a good-looking crossover coupe in its day), but I can't wait to see this production model. It was born and raised by real Trolls, mind you. Does anyone else like it?

Boomer
 
#9 ·
nengland said:
Ah, the 93x is a beautiful car. It's a hatch, an SUV, and a sports coupe. Think of how many people GM could make happy all in one model. :cool:
Exactly what the guys in my dealer have said. They told me about 6 months ago, that they still have a big file of pre-orders for the 9-3X that people came into the dealership trying to order...:roll:

The dealership owner still to this day doesn't understand why GM pulled the plug, inspite of universal dealer support and enthusiasm for the car.....:x
 
#10 ·
aeropilot said:
The dealership owner still to this day doesn't understand why GM pulled the plug, inspite of universal dealer support and enthusiasm for the car.....:x
The only reason I can think of that the 9-3X and 9X didn't go into production is that they were too expensive to produce and/or there wasn't enough of a profit margin to justify their manufacture. That's just my speculation though.
 
#11 ·
As you know, since the expensive development of the 9-3ss, GM tried to take control of the management and costs of Saab and all the projects were in stand by since new orders, the product development program was cancelled since this year that GM aproved.

The 9-3x uses the Epsilon platform, and is an AWD car, with Haldex AWD system. In 2000 Saab anounced that Haldez will be the supplier for AWD systems. The 9-3x uses a 80% of parts ready for production, but GM didn't see enough scale economics, it was quite stupid because they didn't take care about the capability of increase the profitability of the 9-3ss project and giving more scale economics using more 9-3ss parts and technology, also it happens with the 9x, that didn't use an Epsilon platform, but can be adapted for using it, about the 80% of parts were ready for production.

Then GM said that the Trollhattan plant were only working at the 55% of its capacity........its just stupid to say that, if the same GM didn't give the opportunity to Saab to increase the profitability of the plant and the biggest investment in the history of the brand in Trollhattan that increased the capacity of the factory over 250000units per year, but it has no chance to increase the production over 130000 units, then its easy that the percentage of usage of the plant don't increase over 55% and the projects hasn't scale economics if you don't use sinergies with other GM products.

Take a look at BMW, they make profitability thanks to its internal sinergies. That's why BMW has more profitable projects and don't need a lot of collaboration from other companies. One, its internal sinergies, and second the cash from Quandt family.

Saab hasn't any chance to mantain its identity when the Wallenberg sold its shares and wouldn't like to apply and mantain the Saab identity.....GM only make what it knows, to absorb what they want...

from NY times article.....
A former Saab executive who was at the company when General Motors first took over has suggested that Saab’s failure to retain its identity is not so much the fault of G.M. as of the Wallenberg family. The former majority owners of Saab, the Wallenbergs agreed to sell G.M a half interest with the clear understanding that they and their minions would be abdicating any meaningful further role in Saab’s future.
“When they sold it, they should have insisted on input, using their executives and remaining true to the company’s ideals,” this executive said. “But they rolled over and said, ‘You run it.’ G.M.’s got its problems, but it’s the Swedes’ fault. They gave away their heritage. General Motors is just doing what they know how to do, the way they know how to do it.”

The former Saab executive added that a “powerful industry watcher” told him at the time: “ ‘You know what a Ghia badge looks like on the side of a Ford? That’s what’s going to happen to Saab.’ I’ve carried that thought for almost the last 15 years and I’m sorry to have to say, at the end of the day, he was right.”
 
#12 ·
edusaab said:
“ ‘You know what a Ghia badge looks like on the side of a Ford? That’s what’s going to happen to Saab.’ I’ve carried that thought for almost the last 15 years and I’m sorry to have to say, at the end of the day, he was right.”
Not quite true yet, but by the start of the next decade it will undoubtably be the case.......:cry:
 
#13 ·
For the sake of preserving the information on the blog, I've just dug out Saab's press releases on the 9-3x. It makes for interesting reading and one can imagine the dent it would have made in the market if the development had continued and the car made it's way into production.

Please feel free to take a peek at all the info they released back in November 2001 and then return to dream about what might have been. Maybe it could still be?

Part 1 - Overview
Part 2 - Engine and drivetrain
Part 3 - Interior etc
Part 4 - Tech specs

Image
http://www.trollhattansaab.net/images/9-3x/Saab 9-3x in motion.jpg
 
#14 ·
Just read your very interesting posts at your blog, Swade. I had MANY thoughts when reading this stuff.

One is that the 9-3X is basically a whole new category of vehicle. I can't think of any competitor. It doesn't even seem to be a small SUV as much as a large jacked-up coupe. Even small SUVs (RAV4, et.al.) have four doors.

Is the "Ecopower 2" engine mentioned the same as the Holden-sourced one the new 9-3 Aero is going to have? They both have the twin-scroll turbocharger, but as far as I know the SCC is M.I.A.

If SAAB is really into low-end torque, wouldn't a turbo diesel be a natural for this vehicle? That way you get good towing power too for those who want to use it to tow a trailer with their motorcycles or JetSkis or tent trailer (caravan to those of you across the pond).

Could the SCC system be adopted for a turbodiesel? If SCC provides a 50% CO and 75% NOx reduction in gasoline engines, would it have similar results in a diesel? Maybe this is just what diesels need to have a resurgence in popularity in America?
 
#15 ·
It really is a sensational vehicle when you read about it, huh? As I read through, the Audi A3 came to mind as a competitor, though the Saab would be that on steroids. Maybe if they made an A4 coupe hatch type thing? I dunno.

I'm sure they would have developed this with a diesel variant in mind and I think you'll see an increase in diesels in the US late 2006 or early 2007 when the new fuel regs come into play.

SCC and diesel. I'm no mechanical type but I don't think so.

I think i'll end up having some dreams about this car. How good might it be if a more progressive company, fully loaded with cash, came along and bought Saab and the first thing they said when they walked in the door is "Now where's those 9-3x plans?" :cheesy:
 
#16 ·
Swade said:
How good might it be if a more progressive company, fully loaded with cash, came along and bought Saab and the first thing they said when they walked in the door is "Now where's those 9-3x plans?" :cheesy:
I'd be even more excited if they walked in and said "where are the two part-time engineers working on the SVC and SCC projects? We're adding more resources, throwing money at you, and accelerating development. We want to see production by 2007 to get a leg-up on our competitors".
 
#17 ·
#21 ·
SaabKen said:
Don't understand why the Brits have to use the term shooting brake .... makes absolutely no sense whatsoever :roll:
Audi isn't British for a start, so why blame us.:roll:

We don't use the term shooting brake in Britain, at least not since WW2 at any rate, I doubt if many below the age of 60 would have ever heard of the phrase:eek: .
UK use the term estate car usually.
 
#24 ·
aeropilot said:
A 9-X would be my ultimate Saab, but I'd take a 9-3X instead, as long as it had a proper Saab engine in it.....a 300hp+ B235R running on E85 Bio-fuel instead of that horrid new V6 that they would want to put in it if it ever made it to production.
Much of that "horrid" engine can be found in the '06 9-3 Aero's ... granted, it may not have all the same "whistels & bells" from a technology standpoint, but if you look at the spec sheet for both ... there are many similarities