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Installed some yellow Hellas today for the rally-car-style (with the help of my favorite mechanic, pictured posing with my car. Gotta thank him, he helped me out a lot)... i'm an idiot when it comes to relays and anything electrical), ...

i think it worked out well -- more than well, actually great!... the lights are so bright i don't even have to turn on my headlights! And I can tell you firsthand that for clarity of vision, yellow is much much better than 8k-12k xenon stuff (IMO). I can see everything with these babies!



and here is a pic of my personal stable of SAABs.... just more SAAB porn!



Edit: Cannot have SAAB porn without the oh-so-sexy back ends... god i love the rear end of the c900 3-door... makes me smile.

 

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are they standard fit into airflow bumper (I mean, origianls also should be Hella, right?). Mine are knackered and new units are needed ...

what`s part number for Hellas?
 

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teej said:
Installed some yellow Hellas today for the rally-car-style (with the help of my favorite mechanic, pictured posing with my car. Gotta thank him, he helped me out a lot)... i'm an idiot when it comes to relays and anything electrical), ...
I was going to ask how did you manage to get the foglights working? My 89 16V 3-door hatchback c900 has foglights installed and I've installed a fuse and the additonal relay, but there's no wiring from the fuse/relay panel going to a switch socket for foglight control behind the dash. Apparently there is a missing piece of wire harness which I'm not sure if it's specific to the 89 build year cars, or is because the car is a non-turbo 900i instead of 900 turbo.

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I was going to ask how did you manage to get the foglights working? My 89 16V 3-door hatchback c900 has foglights installed and I've installed a fuse and the additonal relay, but there's no wiring from the fuse/relay panel going to a switch socket for foglight control behind the dash. Apparently there is a missing piece of wire harness which I'm not sure if it's specific to the 89 build year cars, or is because the car is a non-turbo 900i instead of 900 turbo.

Craig.
I believe when I took my dash off I saw a plug near the seatheater plug that was zip tied near the gauge cluster. I think that is the plug you would use for the fog lights on the facia
 

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I believe when I took my dash off I saw a plug near the seatheater plug that was zip tied near the gauge cluster. I think that is the plug you would use for the fog lights on the facia
I found some connectors behind the dash fascia as well when I had a look at this issue a couple of months back (pics are here) and the only connector which could possibly be the one is a two-pin socket that I couldn't find any reference in the Bentley schematics for.

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are they standard fit into airflow bumper (I mean, origianls also should be Hella, right?). Mine are knackered and new units are needed ...

what`s part number for Hellas?
They look larger than the stock Hellas (look at the ones in my picture). I believe teej is running a fibreglass copy of the airflow bumper, so it might be that they have fitted larger lights there.
 

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Haha yep one of the tails is out on the black one. Thanks for being so kind as to point out one fixable flaw out of what i consider to be 3 beautiful cars and not saying anything good about them.


Re: the question about the fit: I had this bumper copied from my 3-door airflow and also had the fibregrlass work done to fit the side panels. Regarding the front (stock) fogs -- they cost about 350USD at the dealer here in Thailand, and they were out of stock and claimed they couldn't get them even if i wanted them.

Here are stock hellas (and just in case some eagle-eye wants to point out the lack of a bonnet badge and how the pic would be better with one. it's there now; pic was after painting):




So I had the fibreglass guy make the holes to fit modern-day hellas (Comet 550 to be exact). He made up a little fibreglass leg that juts out of the bottom to fit the vertical bolt of the modern-day hellas (think of the bolt that fits on fogs installed above the bumper in off-road cars).

The fibre-work from the inside (you can see the extra "leg"):




For the stock hellas (i have em on my 3-door, the one with the broken tail light :p ) the fitting is 4 horizontal bolts and I could find no aftermarket lights in this configuration. So basically I had to copy my bumper 2x. First time was fine until i tried to find fogs to fit it. Then 2nd time my fibre guy bought some Comet 550s and custom fit the bumper to the foglamp! Voila (these hellas are so much brighter than stock. they light up EVERYTHING)




I think somebody else asked about the relays? I installed (er rather my mechanic installed) a bosch relay somewhere in there for me and i had it configured so the fogs turn on when i switch the lamps to "parking lights" or "full headlamps." So basically, always on, which is the way i like it. If you wired it to fit with a "foglight" or "extra" button in the dash, you'd have to run wiring from the relays in the fuse box to the dash buttons blah blah blah....

My 4-door has 2 unused buttons on the right fascia: bottom one i think is for fogs (at least that's what it's used for in my 3-door) and the top one for seat heaters maybe (god who would use those in Thailand?). I thought that one of them could be used buy my mechanic says nay. The female side of the connectors (i.e. behind the fake buttons) were green and yellow, top and bottom, respectively (i think)

 

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Haha yep one of the tails is out on the black one. Thanks for being so kind as to point out one fixable flaw out of what i consider to be 3 beautiful cars and not saying anything good about them.
<grin>
But I was about to make you a very low offer on it - do you a favour and take it off your hands, because it would be (after all) an MOT failure...

So basically, always on, which is the way i like it.
Illegal here. They're foglights, so it's only legal to use them in conditions of reduced visibility - less than approx 100m.

My 4-door has 2 unused buttons on the right fascia: bottom one i think is for fogs (at least that's what it's used for in my 3-door) and the top one for seat heaters maybe (god who would use those in Thailand?). I thought that one of them could be used buy my mechanic says nay.
On mine (UK-spec '90), they're both in use - the lower is rear fog, the upper is headlight height adjustment.
 

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Cool pics teej, you've prolly got the best C900(s) in all of asia!

BTW that top switch is for heated seats and the bottom one would be for fog lights.
 

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Illegal here. They're foglights, so it's only legal to use them in conditions of reduced visibility - less than approx 100m.
Less than 1000m is fog according to the UK Met Office publication MO554 (The Observer's Handbook).
 

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Less than 1000m is fog according to the UK Met Office publication MO554 (The Observer's Handbook).
UK Highway Code (general rules of the road) & Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations (law) say "generally" 100m. Plod can & will stop & fine you for having front or rear fogs on if it's not "seriously reduced visibility".

www.highwaycode.gov.uk
226 - You MUST use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced, generally when you cannot see for more than 100 metres (328 feet). You may also use front or rear fog lights but you MUST switch them off when visibility improves (see Rule 236). [Law RVLR regs 25 & 27]

236 - You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves. [Law RVLR regs 25 & 27]
 

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TooManyCvs,

I live in Thailand, not the UK. So i can put 10 Hellas on the front of my car and point them in all directions and nobody will say a word.

I could drive with zero tail-lights, no doors, and a blown tyre and half a windshield and would still be un-touchable.

And yes, to the other BM, I do have some of the nicest SAABs in asia.

Thanks to the others for the compliments.
 

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I live in Thailand, not the UK. So i can put 10 Hellas on the front of my car and point them in all directions and nobody will say a word.

I could drive with zero tail-lights, no doors, and a blown tyre and half a windshield and would still be un-touchable.

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Thanks to the others for the compliments.
It appears as if you've taken my comments the wrong way - if that's so, I apologise. I was merely pointing out that whilst undoubtedly legal where you are, the wiring you suggested would be illegal for many of us to copy.

Personally, whilst I'm against over-restrictive legislation, I find legally required vehicle condition checks and restricting the use of unnecessary lights - especially those which frequently dazzle other road users - to be a very good idea.
 

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teej said:
TooManyCvs,

I live in Thailand, not the UK. So i can put 10 Hellas on the front of my car and point them in all directions and nobody will say a word.

I could drive with zero tail-lights, no doors, and a blown tyre and half a windshield and would still be un-touchable.

And yes, to the other BM, I do have some of the nicest SAABs in asia.

Thanks to the others for the compliments.
lol :cool:

Nice Saabs Teej.
 
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