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I had to call a guy with a 10 year old Honda CRV and give him a quote for a complete exhaust system, manifold all the way back including cats. $3000. Worth more than the car. I pulled him aside when he came to get his car and told him to go to Muffler Mania, they bend all the pipes and weld everything up. Probably for about $1000. Part of my one week stint as a Service Manager at a national retail tire chain. That place was a clusterf***k.
Proves the point.
And BTW I shouldn't really have tarred all mechanics with the same brush. I know there are plenty of decent ones around who aren't so greedy. Perhaps the vitriol is better directed at the car and parts supply businesses, who are laughing all the way to the bank.
 

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I know a few good ones, very honest. But you are right, maybe not tarring everyone. But it gets harder and harder to find the good ones. Got a "rebuilt" transmission for a VW Rabbit, upon inspection later I could see where they painted right over the grease and other crap built up all over the trans! Looked nice and at least worked. but very disappointed.
 

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Just as the title of the thread I want to know why people hate Saabs so much? I don't really get it they are kinda like other euro cars from the era and yet people hate them. Sure they are a little different but every brand has its oddities.
Ok. Ill chime in. There are the ignorant who know zip about Saab those I come across not as frequent but when I do I hear them say Saab are nothing but money pits. I tell them many Ford, GM and definitely BMW's are money pits just give them a little time. Those people have never owned a Saab and rely pretty much on hearsay.
Now today I own a recently acquisition-ed lovely green 2k 9-3 hatchback (I miss my 9-5 wagon dearly but it had over 200K so I sold it still ran well too) I purchased from a Saab mechanic with 139K that Ive put on over 10K in 6 months with relatively few issues. The car is 20 freakin' years old and I drove it from Oregon to CA to AZ and back to the NE in over three weeks with ZERO issues. A car packed to the brim with personal belongings and a Sears cargo carrier on top (aerodynamic hell)!

What are you going to buy today that is
a: this safe a vehicle
b: is 2 decades old with zero electrical or engine issues
c: gets an average of 27mpg loaded to the brim with heavy cargo traveling a steady 70mph for thousands of miles non-stop?
d: still looks very aesthetically unique in the 21st century
Ive had a few people tell me its a nice looking car as well. You dont hear that from Honda Civics or run of the mill Chrysler's!
 

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In my opinion, remember my "opinion", I feel that the European cars might just need a little more TLC than cars produced elsewhere (Japan, USA). But every Saab that I have owned was great. I bought a couple of junkyard bound ones and restored them. I kept up on all maintenance and they were great. Never got stranded in my Saab.

I am in the process of restoring a 2001 Viggen convertible. I was a 9-5 guy, my last 9-5 was a wagon. Someone made a left in front of me at a light. I didn't even have time to hit the brakes. Front bumper to right in front of the front doors was completely mangled, the rest of the car looked perfect. Except for the bent frame, extremely small bend, but none the less.
 

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Yes, and we shouldn't think Japanese cars are immune to the 'mountainous' repair costs. Anything other than the common basic Jap models will cost an arm and a leg for parts.
The REAL problem is that NOTHING is built to be repaired nowadays. The Jap cars are so reliable that nothing needs replacing for what, maybe 10 years... after thet, you're on your own, (probably like a Saab of a similar age). Has anyone noticed that whilst the car mechanic of 20 years ago was happy with a modest comfortable life, nowadays they have to have the big V8 twin-cab ute pulling an 80 grand boat own to the weekender house overlooking the ocean every weekend? Brain surgeons/rocket scientists they reckon! What a laugh. Many of them have no deep understanding of it all, I suppose they're just taught by rote about modern cars, and that's it.
Couldnt have worded it any better than this. Cars last longer these days, but once they break you have big issues
 

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Wait until all of these built in Nanny Devices start to go bad. The lights, vibrating steering wheel, automatic braking/collision control, auto park it for you, lane reminder. I'm sure that there are plenty more. My Dad's last car was a Lexus SUV. All the bells and whistles, my Mom hated driving as did I. All of the crap was more of a distraction to me while I was driving it.

Can't wait to see in 20 years what these will look like. Going down the street with the dash lit up like an X-mas tree because all of the fixes are unaffordable.
 
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