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In what order would one upgrade performance to a stock 01 95 wagon?

Aero suspension
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Exhaust
Wheels/tires
Any other recommendations
 

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Personal preference is the key here. I personally would get everything done that will allow you to safely put the power to the ground. Power without control is nothing, so here is what I say:

-Poly Tranny Mount (If you have a manual trans this is the BEST bang for the buck. Engagement is much more positive and overall shifting feel is improved. Get it here:
http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=47_53&products_id=312)
-Hub Braces (These help out a LOT with the feel of the steering in this car and the turn-in is much more responsive. Can pick 'em up here:
http://www.partsforsaabs.com/product_info.php?products_id=2938)
-Suspension (Helps every aspect of the car: acceleration, braking, cornering, etc. Getting the Aero anti-roll bars helps a lot too. Be weary, the front ARB is a PITA and a lot of people choose to have it installed professionally.)
-Brakes (Just putting on the bigger front Aero brakes makes a load of difference, however your going to have to monitor how much you have left. I wouldn't do this if I had brand new rotors and pads on the front. The updated rear brakes is something I'm going to do next to keep the tail from lifting so much in hard braking.)
-Wheels & Tires (This will allow you to put the power to the ground and stop faster afterwards. Also will help a lot with handling if you get less rubber, but make sure the wheel is light or you'll loose performance with a bigger wheel!)
-Exhaust (A lot of people go 3" downpipe, then 3" cat-back. While you get more performance from the downpipe, I went with cat-back first cause I wanted a more aggressive sound, and I'm impatient! :cool: )
-TD-04 Turbo (If you decide to do this, I recommend the +06 cold side with the updated intake cobra kit. You can find it here: http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=47_53&products_id=471
Fairly cheap and a great bang for the buck I hear.)
-ECU Upgrade (I agree, you can't go wrong going with a bigger turbo. The GT17 will run out of umph in the higher RPMs when tuned because it's just a smaller turbo. The TD-04H-15T that comes on the Aero is a great plug-n-play upgrade for the LPT engines. It's an awesome little turbo and they are very reliable. You can even tune that turbo and get 300 horsepower and 325 ft/lbs of torque out of the manual transmission! The same thing will happen with the TD-04 in higher RPMs once tuned, happens to every turbo once they are pushed to the end of their peak efficiency range. Note: If you were to do this, you would have to make sure you got an Aero ECU that matches your transmission as well.)

Check out the tuner sites for more information on each of these things. You'll find links to them in the FAQ's sticky at the top of this forum.

Also, I would definately throw this on:
http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=47_53&products_id=311
Not much performance wise, but the sound is absolutely worth the money! Some tuners require this if you go Stage 3 I believe it is.

If you dump valve fails like so many do, pick up something similar to this:
http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=47_53&products_id=463
Indestructible little things, and their response time is supposedly better, but to me it wasn't noticeable.

An intercooler may be needed in the higher power ranges as more heat is produced from the turbo, and heatsoak can occur on the stock intercooler. I went with a custom front mount set-up I found from a very talented intercooler maker on e-bay by the name of "just-intercoolers." You can also find drop-in intercoolers that are on almost all the tuner sites and are quite effective in the stock location, I'm told.

Once you get up in the power ranges, a Limited Slip Differential may be in order. While expensive, it is very helpful putting power to the ground in a straight line, and in corners. It also helps in braking I've heard. You can find the Quaife LSD from www.abbottracing.com, and there are many threads about it you can read up on.

Well, those are my words of wisdom. If you couldn't tell, I'm procrastinating from writing a research paper, and this was the perfect intermission! :cool:
 
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HA ^^^ A little more detail next time huh? :cheesy:

Now get that paper done and then come back and tell us some more professor.
 

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I do always appreciate this forum and its members. Great info. I agree that handling should come before power. Great links Sectornine50. and if you put as much work into your paper as my answer you will be of great value out there in the marketplace.

Also, Garret, I am in RI also and would like any recommendations you have for tuners and suppliers in the area.
 

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What can I say? :cheesy:

I'm just here to help! :cool:
 

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Possibly a Monster 9-5 wagon in the future??

You guys on the east coast have all the fun...
 

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SectorNine50 said:
Personal preference is the key here. I personally would get everything done that will allow you to safely put the power to the ground. Power without control is nothing, so here is what I say:

-Poly Tranny Mount (If you have a manual trans this is the BEST bang for the buck. Engagement is much more positive and overall shifting feel is improved. Get it here:
http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=47_53&products_id=312)
-Hub Braces (These help out a LOT with the feel of the steering in this car and the turn-in is much more responsive. Can pick 'em up here:
http://www.partsforsaabs.com/product_info.php?products_id=2938)
-Suspension (Helps every aspect of the car: acceleration, braking, cornering, etc. Getting the Aero anti-roll bars helps a lot too. Be weary, the front ARB is a PITA and a lot of people choose to have it installed professionally.)
-Brakes (Just putting on the bigger front Aero brakes makes a load of difference, however your going to have to monitor how much you have left. I wouldn't do this if I had brand new rotors and pads on the front. The updated rear brakes is something I'm going to do next to keep the tail from lifting so much in hard braking.)
-Wheels & Tires (This will allow you to put the power to the ground and stop faster afterwards. Also will help a lot with handling if you get less rubber, but make sure the wheel is light or you'll loose performance with a bigger wheel!)
-Exhaust (A lot of people go 3" downpipe, then 3" cat-back. While you get more performance from the downpipe, I went with cat-back first cause I wanted a more aggressive sound, and I'm impatient! :cool: )
-TD-04 Turbo (If you decide to do this, I recommend the +06 cold side with the updated intake cobra kit. You can find it here: http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=47_53&products_id=471
Fairly cheap and a great bang for the buck I hear.)
-ECU Upgrade (I agree, you can't go wrong going with a bigger turbo. The GT17 will run out of umph in the higher RPMs when tuned because it's just a smaller turbo. The TD-04H-15T that comes on the Aero is a great plug-n-play upgrade for the LPT engines. It's an awesome little turbo and they are very reliable. You can even tune that turbo and get 300 horsepower and 325 ft/lbs of torque out of the manual transmission! The same thing will happen with the TD-04 in higher RPMs once tuned, happens to every turbo once they are pushed to the end of their peak efficiency range. Note: If you were to do this, you would have to make sure you got an Aero ECU that matches your transmission as well.)

Check out the tuner sites for more information on each of these things. You'll find links to them in the FAQ's sticky at the top of this forum.

Also, I would definately throw this on:
http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=47_53&products_id=311
Not much performance wise, but the sound is absolutely worth the money! Some tuners require this if you go Stage 3 I believe it is.

If you dump valve fails like so many do, pick up something similar to this:
http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=47_53&products_id=463
Indestructible little things, and their response time is supposedly better, but to me it wasn't noticeable.

An intercooler may be needed in the higher power ranges as more heat is produced from the turbo, and heatsoak can occur on the stock intercooler. I went with a custom front mount set-up I found from a very talented intercooler maker on e-bay by the name of "just-intercoolers." You can also find drop-in intercoolers that are on almost all the tuner sites and are quite effective in the stock location, I'm told.

Once you get up in the power ranges, a Limited Slip Differential may be in order. While expensive, it is very helpful putting power to the ground in a straight line, and in corners. It also helps in braking I've heard. You can find the Quaife LSD from www.abbottracing.com, and there are many threads about it you can read up on.

Well, those are my words of wisdom. If you couldn't tell, I'm procrastinating from writing a research paper, and this was the perfect intermission! :cool:
so if i were to get the king cobra cold side. is it a big deal to wait a little bit on the ecu tune say like couple weeks after installing this in? and is there a great deal of power say without the td-04 or the whole point is get the td-04 and king cobra?
 

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so if i were to get the king cobra cold side. is it a big deal to wait a little bit on the ecu tune say like couple weeks after installing this in? and is there a great deal of power say without the td-04 or the whole point is get the td-04 and king cobra?
You should notice a difference with this installed with or without a tune, however to get your full money's worth on the tune, you would have to let them know it's the +06 cold side and intake cobra. If you did it through Genuine Saab he might already have a tune that takes advantage of that.

That specific intake cobra kit is meant only for the TD-04. If you want an upgraded cobra for the GT17, this is for you:
http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=47_53&products_id=170
(This will also work on the TD-04)
 
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Also, Garret, I am in RI also and would like any recommendations you have for tuners and suppliers in the area.[/QUOTE]

Other than Automotion...there is nothing that I know of...:cry:
I bought my car as a completed specimen of prowess...so for me it is just repairs- it is a Saab after all.
 

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SectorNine50 said:
You should notice a difference with this installed with or without a tune, however to get your full money's worth on the tune, you would have to let them know it's the +06 cold side and intake cobra. If you did it through Genuine Saab he might already have a tune that takes advantage of that.

That specific intake cobra kit is meant only for the TD-04. If you want an upgraded cobra for the GT17, this is for you:
http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=47_53&products_id=170
(This will also work on the TD-04)
haha just ordered it (ching). haha thx dude.
 
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