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Hey to all,

Me and my mom are thinking of buying a SAAB 9-5 Griffin, year 1999, 110 thousand kilometers, 4 door 5 seat Sedan, Silver colour, 4 speed Automatic, and the GM engine 6 cylinder Turbo 3.0L.
And the price is 13 000 AUS dollars discounted from 16 K...
Some people say that the 6 Cyl GM engine is bad. What can you say about it?

We do not know if it is good or not... The car is in perfect condition, No damage nothing. So please tell me is it worth it for the money, is the 9-5 (Griffin) Good? We only have experience with 900 and 9000 :)
We already had a few saabs, I have a saab 900 now.. :)

Here are some pictures of the 9-5 Griffin we want..





Please help!
Thanks,
Mati
 

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V6...

There aren't any real problems with the V6. We just happen to prefer the V4 because it is much more tunable.

V6 has an assymetric turbo - so called because the turbo is driven from the exhaust side of only half the engine. I've also heard something about the difficulty of actually replace in the turbo when it goes. Something about how it is attached to the manifold...If you do a seach - you'll find something.

One benefit though to an older V6 - they seem to be less prone to sludging issue as long as the service history is there.
 

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Anybody?

Hello!!

Could anybody else help me and tell me if I should get the car???

Thanks!
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Hello fellow Canberrian,

The Griffin is a nice enough car but is virtually untunable. The v6 is a gm parts catalogue special that isnt really made for turbocharging and is limited in terms of upgradeability. Buy it only if you know you dont want to modify it.

They however don't sludge like the I4 engine and are smooth and quiet.

I'd suggest you get the car checked by a Saab specialist.

I get my car serviced at continental cars and they seem to know what they are talking about. They might be able to have a look at it for you..though not promising anything.

Do not get it checked by the Saab dealer as they are useless.

13k seems reasonable enough. Though as always bargain harder for it.
 

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Like Adrian said, get it checked by a specialist. There arent that many griffins around that I've seen and they seem to stick around on a lot. Just fyi heres the redbook values.
1999 SAAB 9-5

Griffin Sedan 4dr Auto 4sp 3.0T
Prices based on km 120,000 - 200,000
Trade in price guide* $8,500 - $10,200
National average price - private sale* $11,300 - $13,300
Price when new (RRP) $86,900
 

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Thanks a lot!!

greenmatt said:
Like Adrian said, get it checked by a specialist. There arent that many griffins around that I've seen and they seem to stick around on a lot. Just fyi heres the redbook values.
1999 SAAB 9-5

Griffin Sedan 4dr Auto 4sp 3.0T
Prices based on km 120,000 - 200,000
Trade in price guide* $8,500 - $10,200
National average price - private sale* $11,300 - $13,300
Price when new (RRP) $86,900

Hey,

Thanks a lot for that info! It helped me a lot..
Where did you find that? what site did the calculations..
So do you think that 13 AUS k is still a lot for that model?
I dont want to buy it and then have problems with it.. :-(

Thanks!
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AdrianB said:
Hello fellow Canberrian,

The Griffin is a nice enough car but is virtually untunable. The v6 is a gm parts catalogue special that isnt really made for turbocharging and is limited in terms of upgradeability. Buy it only if you know you dont want to modify it.

They however don't sludge like the I4 engine and are smooth and quiet.

I'd suggest you get the car checked by a Saab specialist.

I get my car serviced at continental cars and they seem to know what they are talking about. They might be able to have a look at it for you..though not promising anything.

Do not get it checked by the Saab dealer as they are useless.

13k seems reasonable enough. Though as always bargain harder for it.
Hey Adrian,

Thnks for your info...

Im only 17 :) but i love saabs, I have a 900 and my mom wants the 9-5.
Where are you in canberra?? I would love to get together with ya, have a chat and arrange some kind of a saab club here in canberra. what do you think? Iv been here just 2 months..

Mati :)
 

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Dealer prices tend to command 1-2k more than a private sale. Though i'd be wanting a warranty of some sort. You can get ones from a 3rd party if need be.

As greenmatt said its an old car, there will be something wrong with it, hopefully it'll be minor and you can get it sorted under warranty. (I think you get a 30 day warranty as a statutory requirement but thats not a lot of coverage imo)

Offer them 10k for it... then you've got some room to bargain up :)

The SCCA is pretty lean around these parts though they occassionally do some stuff. They do lean towards the older cars and haven't had a chance to catch up with them. Apart from that theres a Euro car club that does the occasional drive, theres nice bits of tarmac out near casuarina sands that is quite popular. They also do occassional track days at wakefield where ill be heading when i get my new suspension and brakes in the new year!
 

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hmmm..

AdrianB said:
Dealer prices tend to command 1-2k more than a private sale. Though i'd be wanting a warranty of some sort. You can get ones from a 3rd party if need be.

As greenmatt said its an old car, there will be something wrong with it, hopefully it'll be minor and you can get it sorted under warranty. (I think you get a 30 day warranty as a statutory requirement but thats not a lot of coverage imo)

Offer them 10k for it... then you've got some room to bargain up :)

The SCCA is pretty lean around these parts though they occassionally do some stuff. They do lean towards the older cars and haven't had a chance to catch up with them. Apart from that theres a Euro car club that does the occasional drive, theres nice bits of tarmac out near casuarina sands that is quite popular. They also do occassional track days at wakefield where ill be heading when i get my new suspension and brakes in the new year!
Hey,

So i am confused now.. I dont think that he will sell it for less than 13 thousand.. Originaly he was selling it for 17 thousand and then slowly went down, now its at 13..
So if we have a look at it like this, 13 thousand for a 8 year old griffin...
You can see in the pictures that it is nice and neat inside and no damage on the outside. Would you buy it for 13? I dont find it anything special, and it is the GM v6, that confuses me even more. I dont want to buy it and then start spening money on it... I would love to get an aero but that hard to get here in canberra.

Thanks a lot! - Help!!!!!
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...I dont want to buy it and then start spening money on it...
Then don't buy a used Saab (or for that matter any used car other than maybe a two-year-old Toyota!). Remember this is an expensive European car... parts and service for it will be expensive too, even though you think you're getting a bargain because it's used. You WILL be spending money on maintenance and repairs.

Having said that, there is not much seriously wrong with the V6. The timing belt and tensioner and pulleys MUST be replaced every 100k km or you risk serious engine destruction. The V6 oil cooler located under the intake manifold can leak. The turbocharger is short-lived and cannot be replaced with anything other than the same since it's built in to the front exhaust manifold. It has no sludge problem like the I4.

Other than that, you have the usual 9-5 issues (SID, DIC, ACC control levers, fuel pump at 120k km, etc) that you can find by reading the board.
 

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hmmm

Hey,

Still 13 thousand and confused...

He might give it for 12... hmmm

I dont know what to do, i dont want to make a mistake..
For that money i could have twelve 900 saabs!!

thanks!
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find out if the tensioners were replaced with the timing belt at 100,000 km. If not, do not buy this car. If a tensioner goes the engine goes as well. If the tensioners were replaced with the belt, go for it. It should not give you any major trouble for another 100,000 km. If the timing belt has not been replaced, work that and the price to change the tensioners into the purchase cost.

As for the turbo. I think the v6 turbo lasts quite a while. It is low pressure. It does seem tough and expensive to replace when it does go. We have 4k miles left on our extended warrantly. The car has 80k miles right now. I am going to get the turbo checked at the dealer before it runs out, There don't seem to be any problems now, but if the dealer finds a small seal leak, they may be able to get the warranty company to replace it.
 
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