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Hi All!

I live in Europe and am debating buying the new AERO V6. Perhaps you have more experience with the following considerations:
1. Fuel economy: Does the new V6 consume considerably more fuel than the 2.0L engine? I'm actually coming from a 2.0t engine 20the 03 sedan. I drive about 15,000km/year. Would I feel it greatly the difference in my wallet?

2. I have 2 children - one almost 2 years old, the second 5 months old. I fugured the convertible would have enough room in the back for a few years until they are two big to comfortably sit back there. What would you say?

3. I am paying 1000euros/year on insurance on my 2003 Arc. What could I expect to pay on the convertible?

Thanks for any imput!
Dr. C

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Dr. Caramba said:
Hi All!

I live in Europe and am debating buying the new AERO V6. Perhaps you have more experience with the following considerations:
1. Fuel economy: Does the new V6 consume considerably more fuel than the 2.0L engine? I'm actually coming from a 2.0t engine 20the 03 sedan. I drive about 15,000km/year. Would I feel it greatly the difference in my wallet?
Answer: The fuel differs quite a bit from the 2.0t, whether it will be noticable in your wallet or not depends on what´s in it ;)

2. I have 2 children - one almost 2 years old, the second 5 months old. I fugured the convertible would have enough room in the back for a few years until they are two big to comfortably sit back there. What would you say?
Answer: My question is, will you be ok with the luggage? Or do you have an extra car? I am sure the backseat is enough for your kids though.

3. I am paying 1000euros/year on insurance on my 2003 Arc. What could I expect to pay on the convertible?
Answer: It will probably be around 1500 at the most, probably less, but ask your insurance company what a 2.0T Aero Convertible would be?

Thanks for any imput!
Dr. C

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I put some "answers" in your text...:)
 

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Re fuel economy, the V6 will take 20% more gas. That's from Saab's own specs.

Personally, I just love the 2.0T. I think it's a perfect engine for the 9-3.
 

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Personally, as much as I love the 2.0T in my Aero, I would go for it. A 20% loss in fuel economy is a small price to pay for what, by all preliminary reviews, seems to be a very powerful, well balanced engine. Look at it this way...you get a 20% bump in hp for a 20% loss in fuel economy:)
 

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EP Doc said:
Personally, as much as I love the 2.0T in my Aero, I would go for it. A 20% loss in fuel economy is a small price to pay for what, by all preliminary reviews, seems to be a very powerful, well balanced engine. Look at it this way...you get a 20% bump in hp for a 20% loss in fuel economy:)
With gas prices the way they are, 20% might be a sizeable chunk of change. Across the pond, gasoline is already quite expensive. My 2.0t is plenty fast, I'm sure the 2.0T is even better. The V6 is certainly a luxury in a car like this in that it's probably very unnecessary. If you're towing a trailer or hauling lots of stuff in the SW, then you might be able to make a case for a V6.
 

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The V6 is certainly a luxury in a car like this in that it's probably very unnecessary. If you're towing a trailer or hauling lots of stuff in the SW, then you might be able to make a case for a V6.


I most certainly disagree. The V6 in the 9-3 is not unnecessary. In fact, I think the option of a V6 is mandatory for the future success of not only the 9-3, but Saab itself. Every single one of Saab's competitors offers V6 power(MB C class, Audi A4, BMW 3 series, Infiniti G35, etc.). Let's not exaggerate...we're not talking about a detroit big block, here....it's a 2.8 liter V6. Still very high tech and relatively fuel efficient. The perfect optional engine for a marque like Saab....
 

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In short, No.

I would not buy anything new from Saab until they are proven over time. The last time Saab introduced a v6 it was plagued with problems and generally known to be the most inferior engine in the entire line in terms of reliability. There's a reason we haven't seen a 9-5 aero with a v-6 engine.

I would stick with the four cylinder engine - the engine is less prone to problems (except for white smoke horror stories on this site). Overall I would trust that engine more.

That is, if you are going to buy a Saab at all. There are other alternatives out there that may be better built and just as unique. To spend this much in a car, you have to be steadfast and non-compromising about the quality and reliability of your automobile. In addition, the carmaker needs to improve the car constantly. Transmission slippage, audio, upgrades, accessories, squeaks... and make these improvements known and have the consumer satisfied and spread the word of improvement. That's the bottom line. Take this into consideration when you buy. If you lease, well, then you can live with these problems for a few years and then dump it.

Choose wisely. Good luck.
 

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EP Doc said:
I most certainly disagree. The V6 in the 9-3 is not unnecessary. In fact, I think the option of a V6 is mandatory for the future success of not only the 9-3, but Saab itself. Every single one of Saab's competitors offers V6 power(MB C class, Audi A4, BMW 3 series, Infiniti G35, etc.). Let's not exaggerate...we're not talking about a detroit big block, here....it's a 2.8 liter V6. Still very high tech and relatively fuel efficient. The perfect optional engine for a marque like Saab....
Lemme rephrase... it's unnecessary to power the vehicle, but necessary for their brand image. While it makes the world more fun, I don't think we need 240hp Accords or 300hp E-Class sedans. I always thought turbocharging was a cool idea and after owning a turbocharged vehicle, I like it even more. The increased power, increased fuel economy, and decreased engine weight combine for a great package.

BTW, with the exception of the G35, all of the cars you mentioned above have available 8 cylinder engines too. Who's man enough to tame a 400hp 9-3 LS6 V8??? :cheesy:
 

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The 2.8 V6 block is not something new. The Holdens in Australia has been using them for the longest time and the Australians have been squeezing ever more power from that block. It is a reliable, time and tested block. I would go for it if I have the money. Saab engineers will only make this block perform ever better especially with their turbocharging know how. The only part I am doubtful is the Bosch Motronic ECU however I am pretty sure some tuner probably has the know how to tune/piggyback this ECU for even more power. I can't wait to see tuners make monster power out of it! :D It will definitely be hard to put all that torque up the front wheels, hopefully AWD will emerge soon.
 

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I can think of three reasons why the V6 is a must if you are buying it new:

1) That engine note :cool: As nice as the 2.0T aero it was to drive it was just missing an engine note :(

2) Fuel economy may even out between the V6 and 2.0t as you will not push the bigger engine as hard as you might push a lower powered one...

3) The V6 is where the Aero badge is going. Why buy a New Aero with the old kit? indeed will there even be a 2.0 Aero next year??

Good luck what ever you choose though :)
 

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The 2.8 V6 block is not something new. The Holdens in Australia has been using them for the longest time and the Australians have been squeezing ever more power from that block. It is a reliable, time and tested block. I would go for it if I have the money. Saab engineers will only make this block perform ever better especially with their turbocharging know how. The only part I am doubtful is the Bosch Motronic ECU however I am pretty sure some tuner probably has the know how to tune/piggyback this ECU for even more power. I can't wait to see tuners make monster power out of it! :D It will definitely be hard to put all that torque up the front wheels, hopefully AWD will emerge soon.
Exactly what I was gonna say. I'd like to add that it is a smaller version of the CTS engine, so it isn't exactly brand new.
 

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Thanks for your point by point reply - I really appreciated it! Living in Sweden would you happen to know if the V6 is significantly heavier than the the 4 cylinder engine?

Thanks,
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Hi Peter,

Thanks for the reply to my questions! Out of curiosity what are the specs of your ordered V6? What is your take on the new painted handles BUT not painted bumper and side strips?

Curious that Saab hasn't gone the route of the other luxury market cars and body painted all the trim...

Dr. C
 

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I went for the Auto with heated seats ,es13 300, comfort pack, and the colour coded roof cover. As for the trim I think it makes perfect sense to leave them plain as they are there to handle light impact or scuffs...

I got fed up having to take my Mercedes into the body shop to have scuffs sprayed out :( at least you can use some light sand paper to take the scuffs of the plastic.

The Specs show about 100Kg weight difference between the bottom and top of the models depending on configuration I would think that the heaviest car available will be an Auto V6 with 18" alloys... but that weight is distributed accross the whole car :)
 

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Actually the weight distribution across 2006 models(sedan&vert, not SC) is 1440kg-1680kg. I would guess you are looking at 150kg more weight over the 2.0T version.
 

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peterchurch said:
Hi,
I can think of three reasons why the V6 is a must if you are buying it new:

1) That engine note :cool: As nice as the 2.0T aero it was to drive it was just missing an engine note :(

2) Fuel economy may even out between the V6 and 2.0t as you will not push the bigger engine as hard as you might push a lower powered one...

3) The V6 is where the Aero badge is going. Why buy a New Aero with the old kit? indeed will there even be a 2.0 Aero next year??

Good luck what ever you choose though :)
I reckon the 2.0T Aero will survive in the UK at least. Company car drivers seeing what they can get for the money and now that emissions are dwn to 194 for the Saloon..........
 

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I would not buy anything new from Saab until they are proven over time. The last time Saab introduced a v6 it was plagued with problems and generally known to be the most inferior engine in the entire line in terms of reliability. There's a reason we haven't seen a 9-5 aero with a v-6 engine.
The V6 engine is not new. It was first introduced in 2004 in the Cadillac CTS. In an interesting bit of SAAB trivia, the new Twin-scroll Turbo V6 was developed with input from the English engine design specialist Ricardo PLC. Those with knowledge of the SAAB's from the 1960's and 1970's will recognize that Ricardo PLC helped to develop the Triumph derived engine used in SAAB's of that era. This little tidbit indicates the new engine may be more SAAB-like than some of us realized. There is an interesting write-up on the engine below:
GM High Feature engine
The 3600 LY7 (and derivative LP1) are members of General Motors' new High Feature (or HFV6) engine family of modern DOHC V6s. This new family of engines was introduced in 2004 with the Cadillac CTS. Holden sells the HFV6 under the name, Alloytec. The block was designed to be expandable from 2.8 L to 4.0 L.

It is a 60° 24-valve design with aluminum block and heads and Sequential Electronic Fuel Injection. Most versions feature continuously-variable cam phasing on both intake and exhaust valves and electronic throttle control. Other features include piston oil-jet capability, forged crankshaft and connecting rods, variable intake, and electronic throttle control.

Rumors say that the family was developed by Honda as a follow-on to GM's purchasing of the L66 engine from Honda, but GM denies this. Other reports link it to the Cadillac Northstar engine, though GM already has an unused V6 variant of the Northstar, Oldsmobile's 3500 LX5, which is a 90° V6 engine vs. the 60° bank-angle of the HFV6. The truth, according to GM, is that this engine family was developed by the same international team responsible for the Ecotec, including the Opel engineers responsible for the 54° V6 with involvement with design and development engineering from Ricardo PLC of England.

High Feature V6 engines are produced at Fisherman's Bend in Port Melbourne, Australia, and St. Catharines in Canada.
More on the engine can be found by doing a quick Google.
 

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This engine talk is all good. Personally, I really wanted an Aero convertible - but I have two very young children (also 2 years and 5 months old) - so I HAD to buy a four door car - If you live in a sunny climate where you can keep the soft top down to put the kids in, then thats all good - unfortunately I live in a very rainy area in the UK :confused: - so I had to buy the four door hard top.
 

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This engine talk is all good. Personally, I really wanted an Aero convertible - but I have two very young children (also 2 years and 5 months old) - so I HAD to buy a four door car - If you live in a sunny climate where you can keep the soft top down to put the kids in, then thats all good - unfortunately I live in a very rainy area in the UK :confused: - so I had to buy the four door hard top.
The 93 cabrio and small children do mix I had an NG93 when my first child was born, the only setback with it was that it stopped us carting round all the totally useless crap that new parents suddenly feel the need to carry :cheesy: I now have two children (4 and 2) and the other half drives a Honda CRV (which she seems to fill from top to bottom every time she takes the kids any where while I could do the same trip in a Mercedes SL with hardly any boot space :eek:

Aero the figures I quoted my 100kg from was the cabrio model which is 1580 -1680kg depending on spec :) (source Saab uk Tech Specs)

The thing I find odd about the V6 release is that the new automatic 6 speed box is the first one of its kind in a mainstream car (sub 60K ) but there seems to be nothing being said about it in comparison to the engine... anyone found any blurb ?
 
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