[Germaniac]

Lost in all the debate about precise numbers is what you want, and are getting.

Your car, on good fuel, very likely can make 282hp as specified. However it can only do it for say 10 seconds, Which may well be enough for your needs.

I know that a Maptun tune for 282hp with supporting hardware as specified can deliver it for 20 minutes on the autobahn, as many of there customers including me do put to the test. Very different tune and capability. If keeping your license in USA, and never spending cruising time > 100mph is the application, ten seconds of 282hp is all you will ever need, Horses for courses.

With todays conditions on the Autobahn, 100 mph are more than enough to risk a temporary loss of licence.

The only reason why I want to give my Saab the factory tuning kit (192 hp) is more oomph for overtaking situations - not that even the "lowly" 150 hp are bad but in this case I'd like to follow the motto "better having & not necessarily needing it than vice versa". The days of relatively riskless driving fast on the Autobahn are over here in Germany, and I leave the sprints from traffic light to traffic light to the proles.

 

[bob3000]

I think 280hp is achievable, just not consistently (due to high EGT). Yes, the stock IC will also heat soak and pull timing after a pull or two in warmer weather.

A customer at my local Saab shop (I was in today grabbing some stuff off a parts car he's letting me store there for a bit) had his 1999 9-3 on a dyno last week and brought the report to the shop to show the guys, power came in as 291 h.p. 342 lb.ft. torque.

Here are his mods:

• Kinugawa 19T turbocharger
• BCB stage two
• ARP cylinder head, intake, and exhaust manifold studs
• 60lb/hr Siemens Deka fuel injectors
• DO88 intercooler piping
• Forge Motorsport blow-off valve
• Cold-air intake
• Custom oil and coolant lines
• Maptun exhaust system

I dare say 280 h.p. out of stock 2.3 is looking a bit more unrealistic to me.

 

[Brettzammitt]

A customer at my local Saab shop (I was in today grabbing some stuff off a parts car he's letting me store there for a bit) had his 1999 9-3 on a dyno last week and brought the report to the shop to show the guys, power came in as 291 h.p. 342 lb.ft. torque.

Here are his mods:

• Kinugawa 19T turbocharger
• BCB stage two
• ARP cylinder head, intake, and exhaust manifold studs
• 60lb/hr Siemens Deka fuel injectors
• DO88 intercooler piping
• Forge Motorsport blow-off valve
• Cold-air intake
• Custom oil and coolant lines
• Maptun exhaust system

I dare say 280 h.p. out of stock 2.3 is looking a bit more unrealistic to me.

You can say you saw the car on BaT, you didn’t see this guy and he didn’t just get it dyno’d lol

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Anyway, that’s a 2.0L, not a 2.3L. And we’re talking crank hp, not whp like that car.

 

[Joshinator99]

I’d guess 291 WHP translates to 330 crank HP. Sounds about right on a 19T.

 

[Brettzammitt]

I’d guess 291 WHP translates to 330 crank HP. Sounds about right on a 19T.

Agreed, idk why he doesn’t think a 9-5 can make 280hp crank with a factory 15T

 

[Saaberachi]

You can say you saw the car on BaT, you didn’t see this guy and he didn’t just get it dyno’d lol

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Anyway, that’s a 2.0L, not a 2.3L. And we’re talking crank hp, not whp like that car.

Holy cow! Same specs

 

[bob3000]

Ya, that was stupid. Sorry.

 

[Joshinator99]

Agreed, idk why he doesn’t think a 9-5 can make 280hp crank with a factory 15T

Depending on the supporting mods, I think that is a possibility.

 

[Hirschmann & Koxha]

The firmware "verification" provided is just a screenshot of the T7Suite's dynograph, which can be easily manipulated.
However, I have a hard time to believe he only rates it for 280HP considering he is pushing more airmass than Maptun and Hirsch for their +300HP builds (they only do 1310mg/c).
Seems a bit "weird", but without seeing the full file everything remains a speculation.

Regarding - "it will do the power but only short" - no it won't.
Think of the back pressure like sealing off the exhaust - your engine will literally choke, eventually causing it to overheat.
Maybe it gives a nice short term effect, but running such a file for high load purposes would be inappropiate and will damage the engine.
Therefore, supporting mods are definitely not to be seen as optional, but strictly mandatory.

 

[Brettzammitt]

The firmware "verification" provided is just a screenshot of the T7Suite's dynograph, which can be easily manipulated.
However, I have a hard time to believe he only rates it for 280HP considering he is pushing more airmass than Maptun and Hirsch for their +300HP builds (they only do 1310mg/c).
Seems a bit "weird", but without seeing the full file everything remains a speculation.

Regarding - "it will do the power but only short" - no it won't.
Think of the back pressure like sealing off the exhaust - your engine will literally choke, eventually causing it to overheat.
Maybe it gives a nice short term effect, but running such a file for high load purposes would be inappropiate and will damage the engine.
Therefore, supporting mods are definitely not to be seen as optional, but strictly mandatory.

The 1380mg/c is his stage 3 tune quoted at 292hp/440NM that requires hardware modification, that is not his 280hp tune.

 

[KevinC]

With todays conditions on the Autobahn, 100 mph are more than enough to risk a temporary loss of licence.

The days of relatively riskless driving fast on the Autobahn are over here in Germany, and I leave the sprints from traffic light to traffic light to the proles.

Agree to disagree, not the place to go further here, but recent A2 heading to Berlin non-Saab extended fun was only limited by WOT far north of 160km/hr on a Sunday evening...

 

[Germaniac]

Agree to disagree, not the place to go further here, but recent A2 heading to Berlin non-Saab extended fun was only limited by WOT far north of 160km/hr on a Sunday evening...

I don't know what WOT means in this context but I can still remember the days of switching on the high beams and putting the pedal to the metal after passing Braunschweig in the knowledge that I could count the number of passed vehicles on one hand on a Friday evening...try this today and you are most likely becoming an item of a traffic report, either as a participant in a traffic jam or the culprit.

 

[Joshinator99]

I don't know what WOT means in this context but I can still remember the days of switching on the high beams and putting the pedal to the metal after passing Braunschweig in the knowledge that I could count the number of passed vehicles on one hand on a Friday evening...try this today and you are most likely becoming an item of a traffic report, either as a participant in a traffic jam or the culprit.

WOT means Wide Open Throttle…

 

[Germaniac]

WOT means Wide Open Throttle…

Thanks - my consultation of a search engine came up with "World Of Tanks" which would have also made sense as the A2 (also called "Warsaw Alley" as being one of the main East-West routes for HGV) is congested with semis - with the exception of Sundays from 0-22 h due to the Sunday Driving Ban for commercial trucks over 7.5 metric tons with few exceptions.

 

[KevinC]

Sorry, meant to say mit höchstgeschwindigkeit

But you can see why I chose WOT😅