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I don't know if this is a stupid question to ask, or I'm just not bright enough to find the answers.

If looking at say 2004-2007 2.0 cars, is there a reason to prefer the five-speed manual or the six-speed manual? Durability, shift feel/speed, ease to drive, fuel economy, whatever? How much of a bonus is one over the other, or just pick the nicest car in the best condition and don't worry if it's "just" the five speed?
 

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The 6 speed should get better mileage.

Except in 2003 only the Aero got the 6 speed.

2004's are getting up in age.
2005 Aero's only got the 5 speed.
2007's have potential intake valve issues.
Get a 2006.
Do the first five gears match up, and then sixth is a super overdrive, or are there adjustments to the other gears (lower first or whatever)? Is there a table of transmission and final drive ratios?

Here's a 2006 but I can't make out the pattern marking on the shift lever: http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/...al/1134194250?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

Stupid question: did the five and six speeds all have that silver cap on the shift knob?

Here's one (again in K-W) that definitely is a five speed:
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/...bi/1146408507?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

It's had good maintenance I would guess, but I'm not keen on the factory nav. It's just a big distraction. (I'm not keen on GPS nav in general. I see too many cars cross five lanes of traffic and just miss the exit divider when the Margaret Thacher in the little box barks out "Right! Right now! You hopeless wet! You should be on the bus, you failure!" :cheesy:
 

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I'm sure the gear ratios are around. Don't have them off the top of my head.

Both of those are 5 speeds because neither are Aeros.
Okay, I'm confused. The 2007 six-speed I drove wasn't an Aero. And you said upthread 2005 Aeros got the five speed. In 2006 only Aeros got a six speed?

Wikipedia isn't much help and other online forums are impenetrable.

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Ah. I don't want a V6. Therefore if it's pre '07, it will be a five speed.

Are all the manual transmissions in these cars cable-operated? The 2007 2.0 had a pretty nice shifter. The two 2011 six-speed 2.0 I drove a while back were awful.
 

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Okay, another stupid question.

What are the advantages/disadvantages of the climate control panel up to 2005 versus the 2007+ version? I'm looking for opinions, the more the better.

I do have a specific scenario: driving with windows open. I like to do that. From 10ºC to 30ºC (presuming no rain or beaming noonday sun). The settings I prefer on my three-knob manual system vary a lot over that temperature range.
 

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Is the winter set steel and the summer set alloy? There are a number of specific points that Saab makes, in WIS and also in a lot of the owner's manuals I've looked at, about problems when switching between the two.

What condition are the lug bolts in?

It's possible that using a tap and die to clean up the bolts and the threaded holes in the hubs, cleaning up the hub and wheel faces, and lubricating the bolts as per WIS/Owner's Manual would help.
 

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Thanks Ed. Yes changing between steel and alloy for summer. By my eye the lugs are in good shape, but they are 10 yrs old and could probably use a cleaning. I will look into this.
The problem, as I recall it, is that the bolts go to different depths on the different wheels. Saab says that this kind of switching can make alloy wheels come loose.

By the way, the Crappy Tire Maximum 1/2" drive torque wrench is I think on sale, along with a beefy long 1/2" breaker bar, for $70, until Thursday. I got that pair at an earlier sale, and they work well.
 

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Too stupid to ask....maybe.... :cheesy:

  1. Could there be any compatibility issues swapping an audio head unit from a 2007 to a 2009?
  2. Can a Tech II by itself, without security access, divorce and marry the swapped unit?
I'm asking because this is someone's plan. They tried the plain physical swap and got "LOCKED" when the unit was installed in the '09.
 

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Yes its locked because its coded/paired to the 07 car...its needs to be simply added to the 09 car with Tech2.( I dont think it needs to be divorced first otherwise you couldnt add used CIM modules etc)
Yes you will almost certainly need security access for a NG 9-3.

Would the head unit also need to be divorced from the '07? I've done the swap on a 9-5, where the unit needs to be divorced before it can be married, but of course there I didn't need any security.
 

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07 to 09 head unit loses BT phone in head unit, better to find an 09 head unit
Replacement.
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Person is scrapping their '07 and their '09 has a flaky audio unit. We have access to Tech II but not laptop with security software.


Nothing on this car ever needs divorced.

Good. At least he can hang on to the '07 unit and install it whenever a Tech II with security comes to hand.
 

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Got a few dumb questions. ;)

  1. Where did the 9-3 modifications sub-forums go? Other models still have them, but I don't see them here.
  2. When (or if) did the 2.0 models get the 6 speed auto trans?
  3. Is there an easy way of telling if a 2.0 auto has a 6 speed short of driving it (or having a reliable person drive it)?
  4. Did all V6 models in North America got the 6 speed auto?
  5. Is this car a 20th anniversary convertible?
  6. Did convertibles ever require 17" wheels due to extra-big brakes? If so, which ones are likely?
 

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Is a stupid question one where you think you already know the answer?

  1. In 2003-2006 cars, the projector headlights were only HID, correct?
  2. If the top is not completely up, the trunk opening is disabled?
I looked at a 2004 convertible and it was rough. The projector headlights shone like halogen lamps with a strange beam pattern. Trunk wouldn't open. Top was not working with some bits of the top front rail latch missing. There were other issues. But engine worked fine. Likely gonna be purchased by a kid who wants turbo power and has dreams.
 

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what do you mean by big discs..The turbo x and carlsson were the only 9-3's with 345mm discs..

other models of MY03>>9-3's had 285-314mm discs fitted,all which fit comfortably under 17" rims..

Sorry if I'm unclear. Did convertibles come with brakes that would not fit under a factory 16" rim? It wouldn't be the end of the world. but part of the justification of getting one is that I could easily convert it into a winter car using the 16" OEM rims and winter tires off the 9-5. Not that I'd want to.
 

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Which rims?

So I did not even check the brakes on the car except that the rotors looked fine. 2004 Aero convertible, whatever that came with.


I have a set of 16" Saab ET41 steel rims (and Saab wheel covers) with winter tires that I put on the 9-5. I am wondering if I could put them on the 9-3 if I had to. I guess it will be what it will be. :cool:
 

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Thanks! Hopefully I won't need to do that any time soon. Wagon is definitely winter car.


But, I have to be at work at 6:00 AM. If old Saab 9-5 fails to run, then I have choice of going back an hour in time and getting on a streetcar at 4:38 AM and taking a streetcar, a bus, a bus, and a bus, and then walking some. :nono;


So, to solve problem of old Saab not necessarily always reliable every day of year, answer is obviously another old Saab. ;ol;
 

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How does the "emergency key" in the key fob work?

I was given a new, unprogrammed Saab key fob thing for the 9-3. I assume it has a physical key in it, like the owner's manual says? But how can the key blade open the door, unless it's not really a key (and I can open the door of any old NG9-3)?

Probably a stupid question but I drove the car for almost an hour in stressful traffic (45 km on Highway 401....an hour is not unusual for that distance) on someone else's insurance and dropped it off at my favourite local Saab specialist and went off to do other business. So I haven't really looked at anything yet, really.
 

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Just press in the center of the fob (between the four buttons) and pull the key from the center of the fob. You remind me when I buoyed my 9-3, the Cadillac dealer advisor was unable to find the metal key, happily a mechanic showed me how do.
Yes, but is the key the same for all 9-3s? I know the fob has to be programmed to the car, but that's electronic. Is there any cutting of the metal key involved?
 

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Another stupid or not question.

Tires for a 2004 Aero are 225/45 R17 94V XL/RF.

The RF I am not worrying about. It's the XL. An XL tire has a load rating of 94V.

I can get good quality non-XL tires (Continental ExtremeContact DWS06) but without the XL. They'd be 225/45 R17 91W. A 91 load rating is good for 615 kg, while a 94 load rating is good for 670 kg. Max gross axle weights of a convertible are 1150 kg front, 1050 kg rear. Also 91 load index tires are allowed for a recommended winter tire size.

I think this means that the non-XL tire will work. Its load rating is sufficient for the most load I could put in the car.

Alternately, the DWS06 also has a 205/50R17, 93W XL. It's pretty much the same diameter as a 225/45 R17. But tread width is 6.7" vs. 7.5" for the 225/45.

I will check out the prices at Canadian Tire, which (as is often the case) have these on sale. They are much cheaper than Michelin Pilot A/S +3 ever are. And I've run a set on my 9-5 for over two years and probably 30,000 km, and they've been absolutely fine.
 

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Thanks Diggs. I saw a sedan with 225/45-17 H rated tires at the junkyard where I saw nothing much of interest. What I mean is that when I came out after not finding anything, this other Saab was parked and I had a look.

That's not a whole lot of sidewall height. Around here, 215/55 sidewalls are about the right height to keep you pretty safe from bent rims, as long as you are quite careful.

This makes me wonder about alternate tire sizes. The rims are 17x7, and I assume because the car has the Aero brakes with rear vented rotors that 16" alloy rims won't fit. (Making a rat rod with black steelies is an interesting idea, but my 16" ET41 steelies have new winter tires that I'm going to use on the 9-5.)

In 2007, 17" rims were 7.5 wide, and the tire was 235/45. But a 7" rim is not wide enough, you need a 7.5" rim minimum. In 2009, the FWD rim was 7.5" and still with 235/45, but the XWD were 17x7 and the summer tires were 225/50. (I'm looking at a couple of manuals that I have.) The winter tires were 215/50 XL for the XWD.

Looking at Continental DWS 06 tires:
A plain 225/45-17 has a diameter of 25.0", tread width 7.5", and 91W load/speed
A 225/50-17 has a diameter of 25.9", tread width 7.4", and 94W load/speed
A 215/50-17 has a diameter of 25.5", tread width 7.0", and 95W XL load/speed

A final observation from the 2009 manual is that, if you put the 215/50 XL winter tires on the XWD, the minimum inflation pressure was 42 PSI. (!)

So I think I will look at 225/50-17 standard load tires. The car will sit about 0.5" higher, and that will all be nice cushy sidewall. The load rating is fine. The revs per mile difference vs. the stock 225/45 is 831/802 = 1.036, i.e. a 3.6% difference, which is really irrelevant in the bigger scheme of things. (And I assume there are adjustments I can do in Tech II if necessary.)

PS. if you think this is better in the general topics wheels and tires section, feel free to move. It's a pretty model-specific question, that's why I put it here.
 
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