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# of visits Explanation -
Ongoing issues -
Driver door speaker 2 Speaker makes odd thumping noises while playing music. It's
been noted by almost everyone who has ridden in my car yet the
dealer was unable to fix it.

Tire pressure 3 Tire pressure goes low every couple of months. Error messages
appear on the SID. Starts with the front left tire and moves to the
front right a short time later. 1st time it happened I filled tires
myself. 2nd time it was taken to dealer who filled tires. 3rd time
I filled them myself. The 4th coincided with the abnormal wear of
my tires. I mentioned it to the dealer and they blamed it on the
bad tires and said it hopefully won't happen with new ones. 5th
time (after new tires) I took it to the dealer and they filled the tires.
Didn't have an explanation for the problem, just filled tires again.
I've mentioned that I'm concened about each time it's been to the
dealer. I can fill the tires myself, I want the problem fixed.

Windows 1 or 2 The auto close feature on my windows (and sunroof) does not
always work. The windows will shut and then open back up.
I know it's been to the dealer once and they did an update and I
think I remember bringing it in another time, but I can't be sure.
This still happens, mostly with the driver window and sunroof.
I check the seals for obstructions each time, yet I can't find
anything. I've been completely unsuccessful at getting the dealer
to fix sporadic problems so I just deal with this one hoping that it
will become a full blown problem so they'll acknowledge that it's
not working.

Stereo 1 My CD player does not always work when I start up the car. It will
freeze and none of the buttons work besides the power buttons
and the disc eject/insert buttons. Sometimes it starts working
again quickly and others times it will last a few minutes. The
dealer replaced the CD player and it didn't make any difference.

Transmission 1 The shifter sticks in 1st and 2nd gears when the car is cold. The
dealer made adjustments to the linkage which helped, but it still
sticks at times.

Onstar 0 I no longer suscribe to Onstar (I hope that's why the SID says "No
Onstar"), but when it was working the SID would sometimes
display a failure message and tell me to contact the dealer.
It always worked once I restarted the car so I never mentioned it.

Resolved issues? -
Keyless entry 4+? The keyless entry on my car will frequently quit working, forcing
me to manually open the drivers door, setting of alarm, and then
insert key into ignition to get it working again. It's been in at least
4 times for this problem. At one point I was told that the only fix
was what I was doing. I continued to bring it back until they just
recently replaced both keys.

Seat belt sensor 5+? The passenger seat belt sensor frequently comes on despite the
fact that there is no one or nothing on the seat. It wouldn't be so
bad if the indicator wasn't a huge red light that takes up the entire
SID. I have had this car to the dealer for this so many times that
I can't even keep track of it anymore. They've supposely replaced
the sensor twice now, repositioned it a couple of times, and carved
out the seat foam around it. It worked for a quite a while and then
came back a little while ago. It seems to be working OK now.

Panel replacement 1 During the process of repairing above mentioned sensor, the
dealer scratched up the plastic panels around the passenger
door. I complained and they replaced them due to a "rattle."
The panels have marks on them again now, but not near as bad
as what they were before.

Pass. Seat parts 2 Some type of clip keeps coming loose from the rear of the
passenger seat, causing the leather in the back to come loose.
Dealer fixed once, came off again, and they fixed it again. At the
same time, the piece of plastic which houses the power seat
controls on the seat broke off. Dealer blamed one of my
passengers and replaced for me.

Chipping paint 1 There was paint chipping off from around the license plate area.
I talked to the dealer and they authorized a claim to get it
repaired.

Traction control 2 The traction control system was failing. At first it was sporadic and
the dealer wasn't able to help. It began to fail every time and the
dealer fixed it.

Tires 1 I had to have my tires replaced after only 13,000 miles due to
excessive wear. The cost was prorated and I had to pay out of
pocket for part of the new tires.

E-Brake 1 My e-brake would lock up and had to be pulled very hard to
release. Dealer fixed.

Speed Dedpendent
Volume 1 I'm told that the speed dependent volume does not work or is so
subtle that you can't tell it's working on this car.
 

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Gah, I pasted that out of an excel spreadsheet so the formatting is a little off. You get the picture though.

Anyhow, there's the list of problems with my car. I've been in touch with Saab and they're buying my car back now.

Thought I'd post that up in case anyone else is having problems with their cars. I never thought I'd actually have a case for a repurchase, but Saab is taking care of me. I'll believe it when the check is in my hands, but I'm happy with the results thus far.
 

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In Texas a car that goes to the dealer 4 times for the same problem legally is considered a Lemon. (You might want to google "California Lemon Law" and see what it is in your state).

(For me the #4 came because of OnStar. But I had lots of other problems and the OnStar thing was the piece that legally fit the bill).

Hope this helps.
 

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james968 said:
In Texas a car that goes to the dealer 4 times for the same problem legally is considered a Lemon. (You might want to google "California Lemon Law" and see what it is in your state).

(For me the #4 came because of OnStar. But I had lots of other problems and the OnStar thing was the piece that legally fit the bill).

Hope this helps.
I thought that it was 6 times in California. It doesn't matter though, because Saab is buying it back.
 

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it will vary from state to state.

Another thing is if they depreciate for milage. (Again in Texas, not sure about CA), Milage after you first report the problem should not count AS MUCH as regular miles. (i.e. you ran into the first problem at 2K and you are now at 10K then 10k-2k=8k, but is only counted as .5).

Saab gave me a fairly good deal and I have very little problems with my new car. In fact, I was able to go from a Linear up one trim level, with a slightly lower payment.
 

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james968 said:
it will vary from state to state.

Another thing is if they depreciate for milage. (Again in Texas, not sure about CA), Milage after you first report the problem should not count AS MUCH as regular miles. (i.e. you ran into the first problem at 2K and you are now at 10K then 10k-2k=8k, but is only counted as .5).

Saab gave me a fairly good deal and I have very little problems with my new car. In fact, I was able to go from a Linear up one trim level, with a slightly lower payment.

Hmmmm, if what they're telling me is true, I'm getting a much sweeter deal than that.
 

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In Calif. 4x's repair on the same problem qualifies.

The California Lemon Law requires the use of the following formula to calculate the amount of deduction:

Purchase Price x
Miles Driven By Buyer At First repair
=Use Deduction
120,000

Example:
Price paid by consumer....................................$19,50 0
Miles driven by buyer at first repair...................... 9,500

$19,500 x 9,500= $1,544(mileage offset
120,000

$19,500 minus $1,544 = $17,956 (amount you get back)
 

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Hmm...


They're not doing any deduction at all. They're paying off my loan and then paying me back every dime I've spent on the car, including down payment, loan payments, and interest.
 
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