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Hello ...I'm seeking power steering fluid recommendations. I've seen the official spec that states using either Saab or GM fluids. The GM fluid is the Texaco TL 4634. I read a thread where someone stated Dextron III is very similar to the GM power steering fluid.

What power steering fluid are you using?
 

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Steering fluid

Up to chassis number V1014201 the fluid is colourless mineral GM number 32025040 GR 4.580

After that, the seals on the steering system were changed, and the fluid for chassis number V1014202 and onwards is synthetic and green in colour GM number 93160548 GR 4.581

Dexron II or III is not suitable, and the garage folks who tell you that it is will not pay your bills down the line.

Don't expect your old fluid to be anything but black !

You can purge most of the old fluid with the steering lock free, but the engine switched off, and front wheels off the ground.
Just work the steering wheel fully left and right and use a turkey baster ( I think that's what you call them in the US of A ! ) to suck out the old fluid. Needs patience but the result will be good.
 

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Hmmm....my car must of had the wrong fluid in there. It was definitely RED in color.

My VIN number starts with "Y", so it uses the newer fluid.

Where can I source this fluid? I really, really, really don't want to wait for a mail order to arrive. Was hoping to buy something suitable at my local auto supply store.

I saw somewhere that Pentosin is compatible and can be found at Napa Auto Parts for around $20 (or 12.5 quid!).

I'm about to throw some GM power steering fluid in there
 

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Vin number

I think all of them start with "Y"..........
Have a look at the last letter and numbers to tally up with V something.
e.g. YS3CD48T5 is the first sequence of my 9000 CD auto. My 9000 CSE auto has a different sequence. These numbers and letters say what the model is. The remaining sequence is the serial number of the chassis.
You can look up the decrypt on Google !
 

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They're all GM systems. Any normal, store brand fluid (normally sold in the US) is OK.
I've used Dexron without ill effect for 35 years, both at SAAB dealer, and independent shops. At my own shop, I used plain old P/S fluid as the Pump and Rack manufacturer (Saginaw) required.
 

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Ohhhh ...my VIN ends with R1001309. I'm gonna try this Lucas Power Steering fluid. It "says" it compatible with all mineral fluids.
 

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I know that this is opening up a thread that ahs been inactive for some time.

Seeing that the P/S Fluid in my '96 9K has been in the system since the car was built, I decided to flush the old stuff out and refill with new fluid.

The main issue was "what with", since "SAAB 1890 Fluid/Texaco 4364 Fluid" has been off the market for many years.

So I started looking for the original fluid spec and found that Texaco 4364 met GM9985010 specification.

From here it was easy, as it was just a matter of finding a Fluid that met that GM Spec.

I had read all about Audi fluids etc (at goodness knows how many $ per pint or litre) but luckily for me there is a locally available fluid.... "PENRITE Premium Power Steering Fluid," that meets that original GM Spec. Cost is around $14 Australian ( $US 10.70) per litre (2.1 Pints)
 

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Dunno, I've always used GM Fluid.. Cheap, easy to find etc.
No second guessing or foolish priced exotica buys, based on Brochure Babbles.
Later car's GM racks are Wayy better quality than the universally Crap ones GM mfg'd through the 80's.
Still.. changing the fluid every year or two won't go amiss.
ps: you know that there is a Filter in the Power steering reservoir?? It's spendy though.
 

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Trouble is down here both the 9k and 900 were handled by SAAB Australia, which was totally independent from GM Australia.

When GM in Detriot picked up SAAB, SAAB Australia closed and GM Australia handled SAAB models from the 9-3 and later 9-5 on. Even the existing SAAB dealer network at the time was shut down and selected GM Dealers were then given the brand. Support for anything "SAAB" imported prior to that became pot luck and owners of pre GM SAAB's had to rely on the small workshops set up by staff from the service departments of these former dealers.

No GM Dealer here today carries any spares for either of those models, or offers any tech support.

Modern GM Synthetic Fluid is not compatible with the old mineral oil based fluids and since Saginaw changed the seals in the 9K's steering tracks in 1997, it's the mineral oil equivalent that I have to use. And no locally made GM car (Holden) ever used that stuff . Steering racks in locally made GM Holdens were/are locally made and use a completely different fluid.

This country's laws make it an offence to advertise that a product is something that it isn't and Penrite have a very good name here, so the stuff will not be rubbish. I use their lube oil in my 9K's engine, as well as in the other 2 cars I own.

Yes, quite aware about the small Filter in the PS Reservoir, but who here stocks them one? No one!!! :( So it's either eEUROPARTS (plus $ 40 US International shipping charge, since they will not put one in a small envelope) or SAAbits in the U.K. which is where I will go, due to their much more reasonable shipping charges for small items.:D
 

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Did mention that filter was pricey.
Find use GM suitable /compatible PS fluids.
There are several brands on an autoparts shop shelf 'here'.
Likely even so in Aus.
Not proven a problem (yet :) on My mfg'd in may 97, PS seals, despite annual swapping out of it's fluid (mineral based GM equivalent) for 14 years and counting.
Tempest inna teapot issue methinks.
 

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The Penrite Fluid is very cheap when compared to what I would have to pay for Manufacturer OEM stuff, even GM branded Synthetic Fluid. In fact when i started the search, my local GM Dealer directed me to some Synthetic Stuff at 3 times the price and it wasn't even a GM branded fluid! Another place, that specialised in servicing and repairing European Makes only, suggested I use some stuff made for Mercedes Benz! I don't know what that was priced at, but the guy behind the counter had diamond studded gold teeth flashing away! :eek: (As soon as I saw the Mercedes Benz Label, I go the hell out of Dodge! :cheesy:)

I have heard that people have even used Dexron II in their SAAB P/S systems and never had an issue, but similarly have also heard of people having mega fails within months, attributed to using the wrong stuff.

However whether that was the real reason is a good question.

Whatever. The fact is that I have found a reputable brand that has a product that meets manufacturer specs and at a competitive price. That'll do me. (Penrite is a 100% owned Australian Specialist Lubricant Manufacturer and has been in business since 1929. They are heavily involved in top level motor sport in this country.)

I do agree with you that there has been a lot of hair pulling and gnashing of teeth on the subject in the past and that will probably continue. :cheesy: But for any SAAB owner in Australia, where SAAB's are regarded as oddities and no one wants to know when tech support is required, I hope that I have just given a cheap solution to a problem.

I ordered in a new P/S Filter from SAABits in the U.K. Price, including delivery was very reasonable considering that it is a SAAB OE part. Delivery is only $Aust 8.00 , which is is in line with what it would have cost me to send a package between 2 Australian Cities. ;ol;
 

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They fluid in mine is more Volcanic Mud Coloured. :cheesy: Hence the decision for a flush out and a "let's start again."

The new Penrite Fluid is Clear, with maybe a slight yellow tinge. They call it "Straw Coloured."
 

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Steering fluid

Up to chassis number V1014201 the fluid is colourless mineral GM number 32025040 GR 4.580

After that, the seals on the steering system were changed, and the fluid for chassis number V1014202 and onwards is synthetic and green in colour GM number 93160548 GR 4.581

Dexron II or III is not suitable, and the garage folks who tell you that it is will not pay your bills down the line.

Don't expect your old fluid to be anything but black !

You can purge most of the old fluid with the steering lock free, but the engine switched off, and front wheels off the ground.
Just work the steering wheel fully left and right and use a turkey baster ( I think that's what you call them in the US of A ! ) to suck out the old fluid. Needs patience but the result will be good.
NO - SEEMS YOU GOT THAT BACKWARDS
GM Number 32025040 may be full synthetic NOT mineral based
According to eEuroparts. (https://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/51188/Power-Steering-Fluid-1-Liter-Convertible-Top-93160548/)
They list Current 93160548 with Prior No.: 3032356, 3032380, 8937617, 8996860, 32025040, 90392706, 93165227, 315161216, 315161224
From chassis number V1014202-
 

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NO - SEEMS YOU GOT THAT BACKWARDS
GM Number 32025040 may be full synthetic NOT mineral based
According to eEuroparts. (https://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/51188/Power-Steering-Fluid-1-Liter-Convertible-Top-93160548/)
They list Current 93160548 with Prior No.: 3032356, 3032380, 8937617, 8996860, 32025040, 90392706, 93165227, 315161216, 315161224
From chassis number V1014202-
unless they're listing prior numbers that are not compatible which is really confusing.
 

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I checked the store brand at O'Reilly and it looks like most of the "power steering" fluids on the shelf meet GM 9985010. Going to be flushing mine soon so I grabbed a couple qts for $5 a bottle.
 

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My advice: Pentosin. Its viscometrics are second to none. Get a turkey baster, remove the fluid from the reservoir, buy Pentosin ch202 and refill. drive, remove fluid, refill. I have converted all the GM stuff around here to Pentosin. Avalanche, ( 335,000 km) Grand prix (200,000 and 360,000 km respectively) and of course my Saab 9-5 ( 235,000 km) which had a PS hose recall at 80,000 km and GM dealer put in Dextron stuff, so I flushed it out and installed CH202.... all vehicles have zero morning sickness and flawless operation. I expect the Grand Prix will rust out the ps hoses next, the fuel lines have already been replaced, that's a horrible job. But bottom line for me, Pentosin is not cheap, but PS reservoir doesn't use much and I like trouble free operation. EdT on here is an iconoclast and pecunious, he likes AcDelco extreme weather PS fluid, its cheap but works well for him.
 

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My advice: Pentosin. Its viscometrics are second to none. Get a turkey baster, remove the fluid from the reservoir, buy Pentosin ch202 and refill. drive, remove fluid, refill. I have converted all the GM stuff around here to Pentosin. Avalanche, ( 335,000 km) Grand prix (200,000 and 360,000 km respectively) and of course my Saab 9-5 ( 235,000 km) which had a PS hose recall at 80,000 km and GM dealer put in Dextron stuff, so I flushed it out and installed CH202.... all vehicles have zero morning sickness and flawless operation. I expect the Grand Prix will rust out the ps hoses next, the fuel lines have already been replaced, that's a horrible job. But bottom line for me, Pentosin is not cheap, but PS reservoir doesn't use much and I like trouble free operation. EdT on here is an iconoclast and pecunious, he likes AcDelco extreme weather PS fluid, its cheap but works well for him.
The visco index of CHF202 is twice the average which is really good if you have to deal with sub-freezing temperature variences in operation. Other than that I don't see a huge difference in characteristics looking at the specs for Red Line, Amsoil, Pentosin and generic GM 9985010 compatible fluids. It depends on where you live in my opinion. I live in the SE US so most of the fluids rarely see freezing temps (or even below 40F) and the viscosity index really is not as much of a factor on the high end of the temp range.
 

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Georgia /Florida high heat high humidity? I would go Pentosin….way cheaper than replacing a ps pump due to heat issues. I tested and developed cars for decades in AZ,GA,FLA, Alabama and Texas....viscometrics trump cheap anyday. And heat is an issue, SAABS have silly elevated under hood temperatures compared to N/A autos.
 
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