I too had that error code and just changed the fuel pressure sensor and stopped running the gas on empty too often. Never gotten the code again and it's been like three months! ;ol;;ol;
P0089 Code, 2.8L V6 Always Lead to Fuel Pump?
Throwing this code now and though the car is running fine now after reading through some of the posts on this forum it seems like after a few months it ends up being that the fuel pump needs to be replaced. Just wondering if I should go ahead and do it now while I have the money or if there is another explanation (haven't been able to find one).
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There is a test that you can do on the pump with the TechII that can determine if it's bad or not. P0089 is usually the pump, the fuel pressure sensor mentioned above, or the electronic control module for the fuel pump.
Ahh. The infamous p0089. If you search through all my posts on this website you will realize how much I struggled with that.Throwing this code now and though the car is running fine now after reading through some of the posts on this forum it seems like after a few months it ends up being that the fuel pump needs to be replaced. Just wondering if I should go ahead and do it now while I have the money or if there is another explanation (haven't been able to find one).
For the record, I have a 2008 TurboX. Might have a different experience.
Before you go ahead and change anything, please get the correct fuel pump test. And please go to someone who is genuinely interested in fixing the issue. So, in order to fix the code, you need 1) Patience. 2) A really good mechanic with the right SAAB expertise.
I went to the dealership the second I got the code. I was still under warranty. the second they saw it, the service adviser said "Fuel Pump". We replaced fuel pump and soon after they claimed that the fuel sender was broken and they replaced that - not sure what was broken about it. The code came back the same day I received the car. I went back to the dealership and they ran a "fuel pressure test" which was absolute bull****. They hooked up the techII and a pressure gauge and were able to see that the demanded fuel pressure was almost identical to the delivered pressure on the fuel line. They instantly claimed that it is the fuel pressure control module (a module that lives under the passenger seat). They also knew that it is impossible to find. Nobody is making them anymore- so I scoured every junk yard for a used module #12762917. Got one after 6 months. Replaced it at the same dealership, to prove them wrong. The code came back the day I received the car. I went and bought a fuel rail pressure sensor from finjector dot com, and replaced it myself. The code came back. I went to a SAAB indie shop, they wouldn't do anything past testing the fuel trims. The numbers were up to spec.
Ok, so it seemed like the test numbers match spec numbers fine, and I replaced a pump, a module, and the sensor. I was fed up and also had weird misfire behavior WITH NEW COILS AND PLUGS. I started hating my car.
I decided I want to tune it and I got on a group buy for a vtuner stage 0. Brian Blair of Vermont Tuning LLC is a genius. I told him I have issues with my car and I don't want to tune it if it is not ready, but I bought it anyway. With Brian's tune comes the super underrated ability to log and scan information. PIDs range from rpm, throttle position to knock numbers per cylinder and Fuel Pump Sensor voltage readings / Fuel injectiors duty cycles and really everything.
We saw that the pressure drops drastically around 4000 rpm, the fuel pump couldn't keep up with the demand, and the injectors go to 100% duty cycle waaaay early to conpensate for the pressure drop (they read 110%, which is 1) impossible and 2) shouldn't really reach 100 under full load). So the demanded pressure was never met by the fuel pump. The fuel pumps in our cars (2008 TX) is returnless and the pressure is dynamic controlled by the module and the pump just varies the pressure from the back. So yes, the fuel pump was broken. The new pump I got from the dealership was installed broken. No shop was willing to believe me given the numbers but I kept trying until I talked to Embarcadero Automotive in downtown San Francisco. That guy was a frikking legend. He, somehow, was able to test it correctly and see that the pump was way too weak. Got a new pump, installed it. After the installation he called me telling me that the new pump is also broken. Got a 3rd pump, installed it, and everything was resolved.
Vtuner's tune is amazing.
I was able to read all the PIDs again with number that make sense again. P0089 disappeared and with it all the "warm restart" misfires (could be unrelated but whatever). Felt like a new car.
So you have 3 main things to look at 1) The pump 2) The module 3) the sensor. I hope your problem is the sensor (Saab 12582232, Bosch0261230112). The module is impossible to find new.
Thanks everyone for your responses, this has turned into a much bigger issue and definitely something electrical or computer related. Car had been running just fine but today I had put the top down due to beautiful day and drove around for about 20 mins and then all the sudden i get a message that says "complete soft top operation before driving" once I got over 50. I was confused as it was definitely all the way down. I hit the down button for the top just to make sure. Light comes back onAhh. The infamous p0089. If you search through all my posts on this website you will realize how much I struggled with that.
For the record, I have a 2008 TurboX. Might have a different experience.
Before you go ahead and change anything, please get the correct fuel pump test. And please go to someone who is genuinely interested in fixing the issue. So, in order to fix the code, you need 1) Patience. 2) A really good mechanic with the right SAAB expertise.
I went to the dealership the second I got the code. I was still under warranty. the second they saw it, the service adviser said "Fuel Pump". We replaced fuel pump and soon after they claimed that the fuel sender was broken and they replaced that - not sure what was broken about it. The code came back the same day I received the car. I went back to the dealership and they ran a "fuel pressure test" which was absolute bull****. They hooked up the techII and a pressure gauge and were able to see that the demanded fuel pressure was almost identical to the delivered pressure on the fuel line. They instantly claimed that it is the fuel pressure control module (a module that lives under the passenger seat). They also knew that it is impossible to find. Nobody is making them anymore- so I scoured every junk yard for a used module #12762917. Got one after 6 months. Replaced it at the same dealership, to prove them wrong. The code came back the day I received the car. I went and bought a fuel rail pressure sensor from finjector dot com, and replaced it myself. The code came back. I went to a SAAB indie shop, they wouldn't do anything past testing the fuel trims. The numbers were up to spec.
Ok, so it seemed like the test numbers match spec numbers fine, and I replaced a pump, a module, and the sensor. I was fed up and also had weird misfire behavior WITH NEW COILS AND PLUGS. I started hating my car.
I decided I want to tune it and I got on a group buy for a vtuner stage 0. Brian Blair of Vermont Tuning LLC is a genius. I told him I have issues with my car and I don't want to tune it if it is not ready, but I bought it anyway. With Brian's tune comes the super underrated ability to log and scan information. PIDs range from rpm, throttle position to knock numbers per cylinder and Fuel Pump Sensor voltage readings / Fuel injectiors duty cycles and really everything.
We saw that the pressure drops drastically around 4000 rpm, the fuel pump couldn't keep up with the demand, and the injectors go to 100% duty cycle waaaay early to conpensate for the pressure drop (they read 110%, which is 1) impossible and 2) shouldn't really reach 100 under full load). So the demanded pressure was never met by the fuel pump. The fuel pumps in our cars (2008 TX) is returnless and the pressure is dynamic controlled by the module and the pump just varies the pressure from the back. So yes, the fuel pump was broken. The new pump I got from the dealership was installed broken. No shop was willing to believe me given the numbers but I kept trying until I talked to Embarcadero Automotive in downtown San Francisco. That guy was a frikking legend. He, somehow, was able to test it correctly and see that the pump was way too weak. Got a new pump, installed it. After the installation he called me telling me that the new pump is also broken. Got a 3rd pump, installed it, and everything was resolved.
Vtuner's tune is amazing.
I was able to read all the PIDs again with number that make sense again. P0089 disappeared and with it all the "warm restart" misfires (could be unrelated but whatever). Felt like a new car.
So you have 3 main things to look at 1) The pump 2) The module 3) the sensor. I hope your problem is the sensor (Saab 12582232, Bosch0261230112). The module is impossible to find new.
well I figured I would wait til I was at a stopping point to deal with it. When I got to the stopping point all the sudden "only manual operation allowed" ;oops:Well after getting home and trying turning the car off and what not and not solving the problem I went ahead and manually raised the top. Well then I started the car and I get a message that my right front indicator light is out. Well when I went to the front it was out but it would come on when I used the blinker so the bulb isn't bad. Starting to get really mad here. Then all the sudden the car starts running really rough like it's missing cylinders and I get flashing engine light. I turn car off in complete and utter defeat (I just so happen to be dealing with the effects of my seventh concussion right now so this is bad timing). I figured I would wait til tomorrow to really dive into this.
Hey bud im goin through the same issue as you, ive gone through 3 fuel pumps now and just like you the fuel pump doesnt meet the requirements. What sucks is i have no where to buy the oem fuel pump, also i keep getting the stability control failure signal so ima try and have fuel service for drivetrain. If you can give me any more advice other than you posted id appreciate it.Ahh. The infamous p0089. If you search through all my posts on this website you will realize how much I struggled with that.
For the record, I have a 2008 TurboX. Might have a different experience.
Before you go ahead and change anything, please get the correct fuel pump test. And please go to someone who is genuinely interested in fixing the issue. So, in order to fix the code, you need 1) Patience. 2) A really good mechanic with the right SAAB expertise.
I went to the dealership the second I got the code. I was still under warranty. the second they saw it, the service adviser said "Fuel Pump". We replaced fuel pump and soon after they claimed that the fuel sender was broken and they replaced that - not sure what was broken about it. The code came back the same day I received the car. I went back to the dealership and they ran a "fuel pressure test" which was absolute bull****. They hooked up the techII and a pressure gauge and were able to see that the demanded fuel pressure was almost identical to the delivered pressure on the fuel line. They instantly claimed that it is the fuel pressure control module (a module that lives under the passenger seat). They also knew that it is impossible to find. Nobody is making them anymore- so I scoured every junk yard for a used module #12762917. Got one after 6 months. Replaced it at the same dealership, to prove them wrong. The code came back the day I received the car. I went and bought a fuel rail pressure sensor from finjector dot com, and replaced it myself. The code came back. I went to a SAAB indie shop, they wouldn't do anything past testing the fuel trims. The numbers were up to spec.
Ok, so it seemed like the test numbers match spec numbers fine, and I replaced a pump, a module, and the sensor. I was fed up and also had weird misfire behavior WITH NEW COILS AND PLUGS. I started hating my car.
I decided I want to tune it and I got on a group buy for a vtuner stage 0. Brian Blair of Vermont Tuning LLC is a genius. I told him I have issues with my car and I don't want to tune it if it is not ready, but I bought it anyway. With Brian's tune comes the super underrated ability to log and scan information. PIDs range from rpm, throttle position to knock numbers per cylinder and Fuel Pump Sensor voltage readings / Fuel injectiors duty cycles and really everything.
We saw that the pressure drops drastically around 4000 rpm, the fuel pump couldn't keep up with the demand, and the injectors go to 100% duty cycle waaaay early to conpensate for the pressure drop (they read 110%, which is 1) impossible and 2) shouldn't really reach 100 under full load). So the demanded pressure was never met by the fuel pump. The fuel pumps in our cars (2008 TX) is returnless and the pressure is dynamic controlled by the module and the pump just varies the pressure from the back. So yes, the fuel pump was broken. The new pump I got from the dealership was installed broken. No shop was willing to believe me given the numbers but I kept trying until I talked to Embarcadero Automotive in downtown San Francisco. That guy was a frikking legend. He, somehow, was able to test it correctly and see that the pump was way too weak. Got a new pump, installed it. After the installation he called me telling me that the new pump is also broken. Got a 3rd pump, installed it, and everything was resolved.
Vtuner's tune is amazing.
I was able to read all the PIDs again with number that make sense again. P0089 disappeared and with it all the "warm restart" misfires (could be unrelated but whatever). Felt like a new car.
So you have 3 main things to look at 1) The pump 2) The module 3) the sensor. I hope your problem is the sensor (Saab 12582232, Bosch0261230112). The module is impossible to find new.
I just replaced the fuel pump itself, AEM 50-1000.Hey bud im goin through the same issue as you, ive gone through 3 fuel pumps now and just like you the fuel pump doesnt meet the requirements. What sucks is i have no where to buy the oem fuel pump, also i keep getting the stability control failure signal so ima try and have fuel service for drivetrain. If you can give me any more advice other than you posted id appreciate it.
This thread have all the information you need, if you want to go this route.
here
I too, have a turbo x, but I'm on pump number 3 and I'm at a loss. Got the p0089 code recently, and slight spuddering under acceleration mostly in 3rd gear at 4500 rpm.Ahh. The infamous p0089. If you search through all my posts on this website you will realize how much I struggled with that.
For the record, I have a 2008 TurboX. Might have a different experience.
Before you go ahead and change anything, please get the correct fuel pump test. And please go to someone who is genuinely interested in fixing the issue. So, in order to fix the code, you need 1) Patience. 2) A really good mechanic with the right SAAB expertise.
I went to the dealership the second I got the code. I was still under warranty. the second they saw it, the service adviser said "Fuel Pump". We replaced fuel pump and soon after they claimed that the fuel sender was broken and they replaced that - not sure what was broken about it. The code came back the same day I received the car. I went back to the dealership and they ran a "fuel pressure test" which was absolute bull****. They hooked up the techII and a pressure gauge and were able to see that the demanded fuel pressure was almost identical to the delivered pressure on the fuel line. They instantly claimed that it is the fuel pressure control module (a module that lives under the passenger seat). They also knew that it is impossible to find. Nobody is making them anymore- so I scoured every junk yard for a used module #12762917. Got one after 6 months. Replaced it at the same dealership, to prove them wrong. The code came back the day I received the car. I went and bought a fuel rail pressure sensor from finjector dot com, and replaced it myself. The code came back. I went to a SAAB indie shop, they wouldn't do anything past testing the fuel trims. The numbers were up to spec.
Ok, so it seemed like the test numbers match spec numbers fine, and I replaced a pump, a module, and the sensor. I was fed up and also had weird misfire behavior WITH NEW COILS AND PLUGS. I started hating my car.
I decided I want to tune it and I got on a group buy for a vtuner stage 0. Brian Blair of Vermont Tuning LLC is a genius. I told him I have issues with my car and I don't want to tune it if it is not ready, but I bought it anyway. With Brian's tune comes the super underrated ability to log and scan information. PIDs range from rpm, throttle position to knock numbers per cylinder and Fuel Pump Sensor voltage readings / Fuel injectiors duty cycles and really everything.
We saw that the pressure drops drastically around 4000 rpm, the fuel pump couldn't keep up with the demand, and the injectors go to 100% duty cycle waaaay early to conpensate for the pressure drop (they read 110%, which is 1) impossible and 2) shouldn't really reach 100 under full load). So the demanded pressure was never met by the fuel pump. The fuel pumps in our cars (2008 TX) is returnless and the pressure is dynamic controlled by the module and the pump just varies the pressure from the back. So yes, the fuel pump was broken. The new pump I got from the dealership was installed broken. No shop was willing to believe me given the numbers but I kept trying until I talked to Embarcadero Automotive in downtown San Francisco. That guy was a frikking legend. He, somehow, was able to test it correctly and see that the pump was way too weak. Got a new pump, installed it. After the installation he called me telling me that the new pump is also broken. Got a 3rd pump, installed it, and everything was resolved.
Vtuner's tune is amazing.
I was able to read all the PIDs again with number that make sense again. P0089 disappeared and with it all the "warm restart" misfires (could be unrelated but whatever). Felt like a new car.
So you have 3 main things to look at 1) The pump 2) The module 3) the sensor. I hope your problem is the sensor (Saab 12582232, Bosch0261230112). The module is impossible to find new.
It gets worse and worse over time. I bought the fuel regulator pressure sensor, OEM from Saab, didn't fix it. Still my drivablility issues get worse. Replaced the pump with OEM, didn't fix it. I thought maybe I got a bad pump? So I bought an AEM fuel pump, still no luck, but now I have both p0089 and p0087, which is the low fuel rail pressure. I dont know what to do, at this point the car won't even accelerate. Basically you can only limp it.
When you replaced the pump with a "OEM one", was it just the pump or the whole basket? The reason i asked, there is a filter located into the bottom. I heard of problems with this filter being clogged.
After that, you have the PWM fuel pump controller (located under the RH seat), the fuel pump relay (doubtful) and the wiring to the pump.
After that, you have the PWM fuel pump controller (located under the RH seat), the fuel pump relay (doubtful) and the wiring to the pump.
If there are any restrictions in the fuel lines, you might have perfect pressure at idle, but the flow and pressure can't keep up with high loads and fuel demand. That can happen anywhere between the fuel pump inlet and the fuel rail.
This. You need to replace all other components in the basket. I bought a cheapy Amazon FWD basket for the filterWhen you replaced the pump with a "OEM one", was it just the pump or the whole basket? The reason i asked, there is a filter located into the bottom. I heard of problems with this filter being clogged.
After that, you have the PWM fuel pump controller (located under the RH seat), the fuel pump relay (doubtful) and the wiring to the pump.
This is me right now, and I'm also on my fourth fuel pump module. Did you ever get your problem resolved?I too, have a turbo x, but I'm on pump number 3 and I'm at a loss. Got the p0089 code recently, and slight spuddering under acceleration mostly in 3rd gear at 4500 rpm.
It gets worse and worse over time. I bought the fuel regulator pressure sensor, OEM from Saab, didn't fix it. Still my drivablility issues get worse. Replaced the pump with OEM, didn't fix it. I thought maybe I got a bad pump? So I bought an AEM fuel pump, still no luck, but now I have both p0089 and p0087, which is the low fuel rail pressure. I dont know what to do, at this point the car won't even accelerate. Basically you can only limp it.
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