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Hey all,

As of today I'm the exceedingly proud new oner of an '03 Saab 9-5 2.3 Turbo, but I was hoping you could steer me in some directions. I'm inately inclined to tinker, futz and toy with almost anything but to date I've tended to gravitate towards cars of a completely diffrent nature ('95 Z28 with an LT4 :p ) and turbo engines are a bit of a perplexing mystery to me.

I've been doing some reasearch for the first few modifications to place on the agenda and was hoping to get insight on if I'm remotely in the right direction here for good life decisions.

First off I've noted that getting a nice new airfilter element not only helps out wonderfully but also makes turbo noise (I enjoy loud turbo sounds...more a fixation). Any recomendation on what airfilter will get me plenty of happy noise?

Also, chip swap - is this http://www.autodirectsave.com/prod/Surge_Engineering/Performance_Parts/Performance_Chips/Surge_Performance_Chip/17558
Surge chip a good choice?

I've noticed on some models of Saabs if you want turbo noise you remove the silencer before the intercooler, can this be done on the 9-5?

And finally BPV's. Yes, I love loud stuff. What's good? I notice certain ones will upset the Saab computer and trick it into thinking there's an airleak, negating the boost it puts out.

Hopefully I'm not being too repeditive, I did some searching around before hand and wanted some more specific thoughts, plus I'm giddy as a school girl with glee and excitement.
 

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http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84017
Have a look at that, it has the basics of 9-5 tuning. As for the airfilter: http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=47_53&products_id=311
Also have a look round more on that site, there's lots of good bits. As for tuning, you cant just use a chip, the engine manageament(Trionic 7) is just a little bit more complex(read a lot) and requires someone with a lot of knowledge adn experience to tune it. Stick to the major tuners Nordic, Maptun, BSR etc and you wont go far wrong.
 

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I am now laughing my ******** off;

http://www.autodirectsave.com/prod/All/Performance_Parts/Turbo_Charger_Kit/Fake_Turbo_Sound_Simulator/18358

What is all this about.

Why would you want the sound of a turbo boost. The simple fact that the woosh sound is simply the dump valve getting rid of excess pressure cannot surly be worth nearly £80.

One of the reasons i got the petrol saab is that the engine sounds really sweet and quiet. I am not really that fussed about making a woosh that is the territory of the boy racer and RS2000 or ST type fords, drug dealers and bouncers.

I always thought the idea of a saab was speed and elegance!

Very sad get a the real thing BSR looks really good.
 

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djrpowell said:
I am now laughing my ******** off;

http://www.autodirectsave.com/prod/All/Performance_Parts/Turbo_Charger_Kit/Fake_Turbo_Sound_Simulator/18358

What is all this about.

Why would you want the sound of a turbo boost. The simple fact that the woosh sound is simply the dump valve getting rid of excess pressure cannot surly be worth nearly £80.

One of the reasons i got the petrol saab is that the engine sounds really sweet and quiet. I am not really that fussed about making a woosh that is the territory of the boy racer and RS2000 or ST type fords, drug dealers and bouncers.

I always thought the idea of a saab was speed and elegance!

Very sad get a the real thing BSR looks really good.
HEY! I love my turbo noise! ;)

Look at the spark plugs section, apparently just the plugs (which are the wrong ones for the car...) add 10 horsepower! :roll:
 

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Please tell me you're joking and you don't REALLY believe that that random "chip" will get you the 35 hp it claims to. That looks like another one of those overpriced resistor dealies that not-so-reputable companies make to help separate retards from their money.

Like has been said before, if you want more power you need to get an ECU reflash from one of the REPUTABLE saab tuning houses like BSR, SQR, Nordic, Abbott, Maptun, RICA, or whatnot, but those will cost you 10 times as much as that snake-oil dispenser you linked to.

And I have no idea why you'd need to get a turbo sound noisemaker for a car that already comes with a turbo. If you want more noise, get an open intake, and if that isn't enough, get a bigger turbo. As to the BOV thing, if you want a turbo car just for the BOV noises, you've bought the wrong car.
 

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Lol sorry for the sarcastic posts motorhead, it's just kind of funny what some websites come up with to sell to customers that don't know a whole lot about their new cars. Saabs are pretty unique, especially in the tuning category with the Trionic engine management system. Supposedly, it's one of the most complex systems known! :eek: That chip you linked to usually just modifies the MAF reading to the ECU which makes the car run either rich, or lean. Neither of which are good for the cat or the engine.

A great website for tuning supplies in the U.S. is www.genuinesaab.com. www.partsforsaabs.com has a much, much wider selection, however the cost of shipping hurts.

I've never heard of a "silencer" before the intercooler on these cars. What people do on this forum is just remove the stock air box and put in a open air filter. That keeps the air box from muffling the sound of the turbo and the recirculating valve. Oh, and that reminds me, the type of BOV's that aren't compatible with our cars are any of the atmospheric blow-off valves. They have to be of the recirculating type. For example: the Forge Motorsport 007 Piston Recirculating Valve.
 

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Welcome to Saab central and congrats on the 9-5. I am still wearing my "saab-grin" from trading in my BMW 330i.

Lots of power to unlock in the car...have fun.

Oh and if you want blow off sound that can scare women, children, and ricers read here:
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110855

As mentioned the Trionic system is extremely complex and can actually adapt to performance mods. Becuase of this you really need to accompany hardware changes with a tuned ECU. I have a Nordic in my future if I can shake loose the funds. The ECU can also adapt to driving habits. So...if you want it fast, drive it like you stole it and it will adapt to the most powerful settings.
 

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Welcome to SC...

However the website you linked worries me a bit. Why in the hell would you want this on a car with a turbocharger. :(

If you want the good stuff then have a look at BSR, Abbot, Nordic and such. Just be ready to spend some cash.
That device is just about the most pathetic thing I have ever seen. Followed by the Huge Wing for your hyundai and the spinning chrome hubcaps. Reminds me of the guys that spend hundreds of dollars on uglifying an old econobox with tacky aftermarket stuff and never even bother to change their oil. You can hear their subwoofers for blocks as you pass them on the side of the road (at least they know which end to open up when the thing does not go anymore).
 

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Motorhead,

Please don't take my post as sarcastic or condecening... Just don't spend your hard earned cash at that site since they clearly don't know a thing about SAABs and would do more damage than good.
 

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Haha no worries. I know I'm an absolute newbie to Saab's, or turbo's for that matter. Also there's not much for reputible euro-specialty shops around here.I know the chip was too good to be true, but best to try the easiest first!

As for the post about getting a Saab for elegance and speed? I got mine because it was the most exciting car to drive of the ones I tested, no elegence went into the purchase. Personally I love the sounds you can get out of engine (minus pissed off moped exhausts). So my taste isn't your fortay, you'll live.

The plug idea is intresting, I'll have to check it out. Do the stock plugs not allow for complete combustion all the time?

As for the Hyundia, I've never had one in my garage. Or anything with a "wing" on the back. Though I'm the use of rear downforce to remove traction from the front tires of a front wheel drive car has uses, if you dislike shrubbery, I'll leave that to you. Hubcaps are another thing no car of mine has ever, in my entire life, had. Let alone spinners. Honestly, if you're going to slander me, slander me for the right things; I own a Z28 Camaro with an LT4 350sb, I'm sure you can have a field day with that. Though please no NASCAR comments, the fun in driving around a giant traffic circle in an econo-box styled car for a couple hundred miles alludes me as much as the attractiveness of (most) asian cars. :p

Well thanks for the help, and the zealous critisism in some cases! Chip = no. Nordic ECU remapping = much better idea. Airfilter a go. Silencers probibly only on 900's. See ideas for obnoxiously loud BPV's in forum. Good start to a few projects!

-Cheers!
 

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I'm not sure about specialists aroud where you are located (New Hampshire is quite a big state when compared to CT) but you might want to give CTI a shout. Willy has been building exhausts for some time and the 2.5 catback that I just installed is awesome. Based on your post the 3" might be more up your alley
 

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As for the exhaust I actually have a co-worker who's hobby is nothing but modifying Saabs, VW's and Audi's. He's going to make a lovely exhaust for me based on a bunch of scientific and engineering terms I didn't really comprehend!:cool: In an exhaust I'd rather performance over sound. I don't think you could get angry moped noise from the 2.3t engine without some effort, but even so if soon to be behind me bimmers roll their eyes at how I sound before the stoplight goes green....I'll get over it :cheesy:
 

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Haha no worries. I know I'm an absolute newbie to Saab's, or turbo's for that matter. Also there's not much for reputible euro-specialty shops around here.I know the chip was too good to be true, but best to try the easiest first!

As for the post about getting a Saab for elegance and speed? I got mine because it was the most exciting car to drive of the ones I tested, no elegence went into the purchase. Personally I love the sounds you can get out of engine (minus pissed off moped exhausts). So my taste isn't your fortay, you'll live.

The plug idea is intresting, I'll have to check it out. Do the stock plugs not allow for complete combustion all the time?

As for the Hyundia, I've never had one in my garage. Or anything with a "wing" on the back. Though I'm the use of rear downforce to remove traction from the front tires of a front wheel drive car has uses, if you dislike shrubbery, I'll leave that to you. Hubcaps are another thing no car of mine has ever, in my entire life, had. Let alone spinners. Honestly, if you're going to slander me, slander me for the right things; I own a Z28 Camaro with an LT4 350sb, I'm sure you can have a field day with that. Though please no NASCAR comments, the fun in driving around a giant traffic circle in an econo-box styled car for a couple hundred miles alludes me as much as the attractiveness of (most) asian cars. :p

Well thanks for the help, and the zealous critisism in some cases! Chip = no. Nordic ECU remapping = much better idea. Airfilter a go. Silencers probibly only on 900's. See ideas for obnoxiously loud BPV's in forum. Good start to a few projects!

-Cheers!
I see you misunderstood. No slander from me. You are not the one that posted the link to the artificial BOV sound kit. I was not talking about you at all. I likened the kind of mentality that would spend money for a non performance enhancing kit like that to those that put a huge tacky wing and spinning hub caps on a korean economy car, or a huge stereo into a garage sale subcompact.

Had nothing whatsoever to do with you except that the post was inspired by someone surfing around that site and finding the BOV sound kit after following the chip link you posted. I will try to be more clear but unless I direct it to you (motorhead) by name I usually am speaking in a more general abstract way.

If you did in fact have a hyundai equipped like that I would bite my tongue and pity you. I would not make fun of you. I try not to ridicule folks other than in a general way as I lambasted the style jockeys that inspired my post. You will likely get more in the way of insults in forums inhabited by younger folks (ricer forums).

At least you are a good sport.
 

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The plug idea is intresting, I'll have to check it out. Do the stock plugs not allow for complete combustion all the time?
I was actually kidding. The plugs on these cars are VERY picky as the Direct Ignition Cassette (the black rectangle on top of the engine) actually uses the plugs as a way to find out the optimum tune for the current conditions.

Check out this website for proper plugs, however I'm sure yours are okay as of now.

http://www.genuinesaab.com/psi/files/sparkplugsdi.htm
 
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