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Hey Saabers,

I usually hang out on the 9000 board, so i'm new to one.

Looking at purchasing a 1995 NG900 SE V6 for $1900, 115,000 mi. It was aquired by a Saab dealer locally and they asked if I was interested in it. They have complete svc records (dealer did all the work for this customer) but I haven't reviewed it yet. They've told me the car has a serious oil leak, which doesn't scare per se (I would have them fix). Body & interior very clean. I like it alot.

I'd like to solicit thoughts, opinnions on converting from C900's to NG900's. I have 2 C900's (1 convertable, 1 hardtop) and 1 T9000 project car that i'm working on (Headgasket currently). I'm looking to replace my C900 hardtop with this car. Is the V6 problematic? Does it feel better than the regular 4 cylinders?

CleveSaab - sorry, I checked the sticky notes and coudn't pull up the links for info on NG900. If you could help out a fellow Clevelander with thoughts, much apprieciated :D
 

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As far as I know the V6s are pretty reliable as are most NG900s. They have all the common maladies of a regular turbo NG900 plus a big one: The timing chain. Something related to the timing chain needs to be replaced every 60K or so. At a dealer, this is a lot of money (~2K?)!!! If you go the DIY route our V6 specialist Ragtop can probably guide you by the hand. So the question becomes how much of a DIY are you? Being that you have like 89 Saabs I imagine, this means you are tried and tested! Therefore I say...


BUY IT!

Saab on!! :)
 

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In some aspects I feel that the old 900 is better (interior room, visibility, engine access).

I favor the four over the six, no difference in smoothness, very little in power; the four is more efficient, easier to service, lighter.

The problem is, vehicles are always growing, gaining weight. The 9-3 weighs over 1,000 pounds more than a 93..

Now VW is using a five-banger in the Jetta "medium" sized car.
But I still favor the balance shaft turbo-charged four and some constraints on size..
This debate will rage on forever, no doubt..
 

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Welcome to the other side Jamal.
Hehehe
I fixed the first set of links in the FAQ. The ones RE: Buying a 900/9-3.
The rest will be fixed by the end of the day.

You say a c900 is roomier EW?!? Wow! That is impressive...because I think my NG's are/have been pretty roomy! :cool:

As for advice from a Clevelander, I am a bit biased. Bought one NG900 and almost 5 years later me and my wife are on our second set of Saabs.
 

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Jamal,

This might be a good question to pose to a trusted Saab mechanic, or even a neutral one.... Ask "What would you buy?"
 

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If the only thing that matters is the engine then never buy a Saab, any, period!

I mean it, 4cyl, 6cyl, turbo or not Saab strengths are elsewhere and not in the powerpack.

Can I just shoot one inaccuracy down, the 6cyl has superior maintanance access to the 4cyl engine, it is not open for debate having spent enough time now fixing both B204's and B258's :roll: . I'm so glad I've a trouble free Cavalier to fall back on.
 
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The main thing with the V6 is that you kind of have to baby it. You really have to know how (or know someone) to maintain it, or else you'll encounter some of the horror stories you've heard with these engines. Otherwise, it's a great engine for the NG900.
 

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CleveSaab : You say a c900 is roomier EW?!? Wow! That is impressive...because I think my NG's are/have been pretty roomy! :cool:

Some of us are more economical with space than others - I like and need plenty of "bounce-around" room.
The Saab 93/96/95 had plenty of head and foot room, but was a little short on width..The 99 was generous in width, short on foot room.The 900 was improved, but still tight.

The 900ng is a little too tight in all aspects, and I am but 5'6".

I must slide the seat to exit and enter.

But I also had to do this with the 900 and the Mercedes 300.
Very minor of course, it is very easy, and the comfort is great, once in place..

Back on subject- IMO, the 4 and 6 are about equal up to 75; I believe the additional power is better for cruising on the autobahn or in our state of Montana..
Here in the East, one seldom if ever cruises over 75..
 

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I went from a C900 T16 to an NG900 V6 early last year so maybe I can help you out.

The biggest improvement of the NG over the C for me was the roadnoise was nothing compaired to what it was. The feature upgrade was a very close second. While the turbo can be alot of fun, I really like the way the V6 has more of an even power range. I can leave it in gear and not have to downshift for hills like I had to do in the turbo. I do alot of city driving so this suits me better. I went from a 2 door C to a 4 door NG so the room factor doesn't play in to my situation. The NG also feels more solid IMO.

The only real drag of the V6 engine is you have to change the timing belt every 30,000 miles (atleast on the early ones). It is also recommended to change the pulleys at the same time. I now have 176,000 miles on my V6 without any major issues. I had to change the water pump and found it to be pretty straight forward. It took me about 2 hours and I had never dug down in there that far.

I paid $2500 for mine fully loaded with 156,000 miles on it so that price seems pretty good.

Hope this helps,
Dan
 

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Thanks everyone for your input.

Thumpar - appreciate the insight on the change from C900 to NG900. Needed to get a feel for the change. Sounds like it will be an upgrade. And to be honest, my C900 is a 2 door, and I like this NG900 because its 4 door (My 18 month old toddler's getting bigger, and I need the convience)

So far the service mgr at the dealership says "why do you want that V6? They're cheap because these (NG900's) aren't worth very much". Not encouraging words. I like the car a lot though. I will see the mechanic tomorrow and pick his brain on the problems/costs to fix. The dealership has a full repair history and personally knows the pervious owner. I'm thinking how many cars in the $2000 USD range do you get access to this much information. I'll update this thread as I go along.

:suprised; Hope to join you guys here in the 9-3 & NG900 Board if I purchase it.
 

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Wow, I for once am surprised that the V6 hasn't gotten the normal bashing that it usually gets (its biggest downfall is a bad reputation)! Seems like everybody is being a little more level-headed, and a little more brotherly saab-like! I like it!

Well not having owned/driven ANY saab 4 cyl, (heck not having owned/driven ANY other saab) I will only comment on the V6. I can say I am quite pleased with the V6. It is pretty powerfull, and fuel effiecient also. With my cruise set at 55 mph on the freeway once, I pulled down 38 mpg (for a whole tank)! I had a bad motor mount so before anybody says anything about me driving like my grandma....:nono; . On that same road trip, I went through the entire rocky mountains without downshifting from 5th gear (before the mount broke)! I was lucky enough to not have any traffic ahead of me so never had to slow below 3k rpms. That said, I think the V6 is both powerfull and effiecient.

It is true that timing belt maintenance is something you must look after (the V6 like the 4 cyl models is an interference engine). If your records indicate that this one has been done as scheduled, then it may not be a problem for a while. Other than that, I can't think of any other major issues compared to what I have heard as common problems to the 4cyl counterparts. Heck, the rest of the car is almost identical, as are most of the engine accessories such as altenator, ac compressor and Power steering pump.

Now someone clear up an issue for me that I have not been attentive too. I know that because of the initial problems with the timing belt, Saab released a "version 2" of the timing components (ie tensioners etc). Now with the Version 2 stuff, doesent the belt change interval increase to 60K miles? If so, 60K is about standard for ANY belt driven car. Any saab V6 that has been dealer serviced and has over 100K miles SHOULD have the version 2 components, unless the dealer totally dropped the ball. Funny thing, while brand new, the V6 could have been described as a time bomb as the timing belt components we hear were not good for more than 30K miles. Saab corrected those problems with free belt changes and an updated design, and now any V6 around with 100k miles has either blown up and been repaired (ragtopcav's), or been updated like mine and hopefully yours! Still with an interference design, it is very important to stay on top of the timing belt.

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:cry: well this AM I had a talk with the master Saab mechanic who works at the dealership selling the V6. He's a trusted friend who has helped me with all my C900's and T9000. I asked him if I should purchase this 1995 V6 and he gave me an emphatic "NO". His comment:

"I wish I could take all the 900 V6's and push them into the ocean"

:eek: He then proceeded to give me a landry list of problems/issues (with illustrations using V6's in the shop) that will go wrong to explain that I'll spend more than $1900 (purchase price) just fixing. I won't go into the laundy list here, but he got his point across. His conclusion - search for a 4 cylinder, they're cheap, there's plenty of them, and you'll be so much happier repair wise. Sad part is that he even admitted that this V6 for sale was very well cared for, but he still couldn't recommend it @ 115,000 mi.

Ironically, he raved about the 9-5's V6 engine. "Totally different issue" he says, "those are much improved over these 900 V6's"

So, i'm going to pass on this Black V6 (as much as I like it). I will continue to search for a 4 cylinder 900. I know have the bug for an NG900. In the meantime, back to work on my T9000 headgasket :evil:

P.S. - I don't mean to disparage any V6 Saabers out there with this post. Only updating the thread. Saab on!
 

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Glad to see you've gotten some feedback from a disinterested party.

Good luck with your search!
 

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Jamal Bryant said:
Ironically, he raved about the 9-5's V6 engine. "Totally different issue" he says, "those are much improved over these 900 V6's"
I'm puzzled by this, really, as the engine underneath is the same, some system changes have occured and gosh hasn't the 9-5 engine got DI cassettes too, but apart from a belt design/route/pulley change everything underneath hasn't changed has it? just a thought.

My issues have been narrowed down to Bosch Motronic or injection harness now, just the usual rubbish that happens to any car 11 years old :roll:

V6man54deg said:
I don't think Global cars work! too many differences with our roads, climate and various other things
that probably sums things up better than anyone else on here has so far.

Don't work well over there but work well here, and we have a culture of changing our oil half as often as the US :confused: .
 

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I'm puzzled by this, really, as the engine underneath is the same, some system changes have occured and gosh hasn't the 9-5 engine got DI cassettes too, but apart from a belt design/route/pulley change everything underneath hasn't changed has it? just a thought.

My issues have been narrowed down to Bosch Motronic or injection harness now, just the usual rubbish that happens to any car 11 years old :roll:

that probably sums things up better than anyone else on here has so far.

Don't work well over there but work well here, and we have a culture of changing our oil half as often as the US :confused: .
There were lots of changes on the 95 turbo - I think nearly every part had been upgraded from start of life in 93. Block - timing covers,cam wheels, cams head gaskets - heat exchanger , water pump timing gear - 95 turbo also had double exhaust valve springs.

Think the main problem with the car he was looking at with the oil leak - would be due to high oil pressure due to sticking oil pressure regulator - common on the early versions - easy to check out though. if your getting oil leaks on a V6 - this should be your first check - 1.8 bar @idle max 5 bar at other speeds (hot engine)- anything much over 5 bar causes oil leaks and oil in water problems!!!!
 
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