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Well been sharing in a few posts today and now I have a problem
of myown :cry:

Whilst driving today I appeared to have no turn signals -so checked the
usual fuse and eliminated the relay.

Anyway it seems my ignition key switch no longer returns from the start
position to the on position,nor does it pop back up when taking the key out.

Twiddling the key sometimes enables the turn signals.

I have cleaned the ignition barrel re procedure below

http://www.saab9-5.com/howto/ignition.htm

This has helped but there must be return spring or tensioner of some kind
in the mechanism.:confused:

Has anyone cracked this one-there are a few similar posts but no one
seems to have reported a fix other than the clean?

Any ideas guys?

Thanks in advance!
 

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Update-Fixed by replacing ignition switch module 4946307

Well I have managed to understand and then fix the ignition problems.

When you use your key in the ignition the key passes through the lock
barrell (which you can remove an clean etc as in post above) and slots into
the top of the ignition switch module p/n 4946307.

This is a sealed unit but internally has a tiny push rod(to help the key withdraw
and barrell popup) and then a spring or tensioner (as I thought) which returns
the key position after starting.(when you remove your hand)
About £100 UK price for new but I sourced one from a breakers and was
able to check it before buying.

The whole central console has to come out of the car-although I was able
to replace the module from the underside by tilting the aluminium housing.
Would have been a much bigger job if the gear linkage needed to be seperated!
Took me about one hour of my time and I will now make sure I source a spare in
case it happens to me again!

Hope this helps..........
 

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I have the same problem! My ignition won't return from start...how complicated is taking the center console apart? I took apart the ignition barrel to lube and clean it, but my mechanic told me the spring mechanism is in the switch itself. I'm worried its too big of a job for me. Do you have pictures? I really would like to replace my ignition switch myself!
 

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I had the confidence to have a go mainly because I had replaced
my interior with a leather one with the help of a Haynes manual
when I first bought the car so was familiar with taking the console
apart.

There are a number of switches to remove as you go along.
Key sensor (pulls off the top of key barrell),central lock and window controls,
heated seats etc in central console,cigarette lighters/ring lights.

You start by removing the ashtray(prise out),the outer rubber around
the gear shift pulls off remove a couple of screws and the gear surround can be
raised and removed.
Both sides of the console are covered in carpet and this has to be pealed
back to reveal two screws,there are also two push on plastic strips about
half way down the console side which needs to levered off.
The rear of the console can be pushed upwards and released revealing two
more screws at the base.

You may also wish to take off sliding the lid(I keep CD's in mine) again two screws.
You need to release the leather cover from around the handbrake-just held on by a couple of clips.
Having removed the console the main housing (including the gear shift
and ignition housing) is secured to the floor of the car with four torx screws
and two behind the ashtray assembly.I also removed the three 10mm bolts
from the metal plate which hold these two screws as it gave me the clearance to tilt
the housing without disconnecting the gear linkage.

Tilting the main housing to one side you need to disconnect the air vent which
feeds through to the rear of the console(one of the screws is hidden by this)
and with care you will see the underside of the ignition module which is held on by
two small shiny torx screws.

You will need the saab two torx screwdriver,a 10mm socket,small flat bladed
screw driver and some patience!

Its a two minute change for the module itself -the hardest part is removing the console.
Prob 1hr for the first timer and 30mins to put it all back again.

Happy to help if i can........
 

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Thanks for the instructions, they're very clear! I will try to do this job sometime next week. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks again for your help!
 

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Hi - I've been following the above guidelines to swap the ignition switch and have got all the way through dismantling the console in order to remove the switch. However I can't remove the two shiny torx screws that hold it on, the standard torx heads that come with the car's screwdriver don't seem to fit. Is there a different screwdriver that needs to be purchased to remove these? Else is there any other way to get the thing out - there are two larger torx screws holding on the surrounding metal unit but these are stuck fast and I can't quite release them with the limited space available to maneuver!
 

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FYI the ignition switch needs a T15 torx screw to remove it. The car doesn't appear to come with one this size so you'll need to purchase one separately if you want to do this job yourself.
 

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Have gotten to the point where I can tilt the housing and see the bottom of the switch but I'm only seeing where I have access to just one of the two screws.

Did I overlook something?
 

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The other screw is on the opposite corner(yes its hidden) so you need to feel for its head with a T15 screwdriver....blue tach and patience when refitting.....nip up the side you can see first.

Bit fiddly but beats removing the whole console.
 

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Hidden is an understatement.
Opposite corner appears to be completely under the housing.
Guess you need to tilt the housing a bit more to get enough room to get at it.

If yours has the later all black ignition switch then you may have to disconnect the gear linkage to get enough tilt.

I have done both types so trust me it can be done!
 

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It's tilting as far as it can, I assume, without disconnecting the linkage, which I'm not sure I'm comfortable with. Although I said the same thing a year ago when I had to replace the Fan Speed Sensor. :)

Yes, the switch is all black.
 

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Well I have managed to understand and then fix the ignition problems.

When you use your key in the ignition the key passes through the lock
barrell (which you can remove an clean etc as in post above) and slots into
the top of the ignition switch module p/n 4946307.

This is a sealed unit but internally has a tiny push rod(to help the key withdraw
and barrell popup) and then a spring or tensioner (as I thought) which returns
the key position after starting.(when you remove your hand)
About £100 UK price for new but I sourced one from a breakers and was
able to check it before buying.

The whole central console has to come out of the car-although I was able
to replace the module from the underside by tilting the aluminium housing.
Would have been a much bigger job if the gear linkage needed to be seperated!
Took me about one hour of my time and I will now make sure I source a spare in
case it happens to me again!

Hope this helps..........
what year is your saab that you replaced it w/ part number 4946307?
I have a 2006 9-5 and looks like I need part number 5160999 and they look different. would you happen to know I would be able to replace this w/out having to remove the whole console? thanks! and thanks for your writeup, it'll help me a lot.
 

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I had the confidence to have a go mainly because I had replaced
my interior with a leather one with the help of a Haynes manual
when I first bought the car so was familiar with taking the console
apart.

There are a number of switches to remove as you go along.
Key sensor (pulls off the top of key barrell),central lock and window controls,
heated seats etc in central console,cigarette lighters/ring lights.

You start by removing the ashtray(prise out),the outer rubber around
the gear shift pulls off remove a couple of screws and the gear surround can be
raised and removed.
Both sides of the console are covered in carpet and this has to be pealed
back to reveal two screws,there are also two push on plastic strips about
half way down the console side which needs to levered off.
The rear of the console can be pushed upwards and released revealing two
more screws at the base.

You may also wish to take off sliding the lid(I keep CD's in mine) again two screws.
You need to release the leather cover from around the handbrake-just held on by a couple of clips.
Having removed the console the main housing (including the gear shift
and ignition housing) is secured to the floor of the car with four torx screws
and two behind the ashtray assembly.I also removed the three 10mm bolts
from the metal plate which hold these two screws as it gave me the clearance to tilt
the housing without disconnecting the gear linkage.

Tilting the main housing to one side you need to disconnect the air vent which
feeds through to the rear of the console(one of the screws is hidden by this)
and with care you will see the underside of the ignition module which is held on by
two small shiny torx screws.

You will need the saab two torx screwdriver,a 10mm socket,small flat bladed
screw driver and some patience!

Its a two minute change for the module itself -the hardest part is removing the console.
Prob 1hr for the first timer and 30mins to put it all back again.

Happy to help if i can........
what's a saab two torx screwdriver? is it something that we can buy? thanks.
 

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what's a saab two torx screwdriver? is it something that we can buy? thanks.
Used to come as part of the toolkit in the wheel well...you can see it in the pic below near the jack handle.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SAAB-9-3-Round-Tool-Kit-Foam-Jack-Handle-Screw-Driver-2004-2007-13162851/173062209079?epid=653139647&hash=item284b4fbe37:g:LhYAAOSw3xJVcsmb

I wouldnt worry just a buy a cheap set of torx screwdrivers say T10 up to T40 say and you have it covered. Cant remember the size needed for this job but its likely T15/T20


For cars after mid 2001 the ignition switch changed design to the all black type........same location same job to change although may have changed again if yours is a Dame Edna
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SAAB-9-3-9-5-IGNITION-SWITCH-4943692/332497474315?hash=item4d6a64d30b:m:mZD_-EvimIuQ2XrNaYCPBrw
 

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RE Part number changes...


Looks like its the same all black switch although for the later cars 2007 onwards Saab in their wisdom looks like theychose to supply it as an all in one part ie including the housing =more expensive

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-OE-SAAB-30584216-Ignition-Starter-Switch/322580092866?epid=648222713&hash=item4b1b4597c2:g:8vkAAOSwXY5ZXTgw

Torx screw mid 3 oclock picture going through to the ally housing from right

versus

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SAAB-9-3-9-5-IGNITION-SWITCH-4943692/332497474315?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=20131017132637&meid=5ed07946322b46b1a882ad969794c026&pid=100033&rk=2&rkt=8&sd=332497474315&_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042
 

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RE Part number changes...


Looks like its the same all black switch although for the later cars 2007 onwards Saab in their wisdom looks like theychose to supply it as an all in one part ie including the housing =more expensive

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-OE-SAAB-30584216-Ignition-Starter-Switch/322580092866?epid=648222713&hash=item4b1b4597c2:g:8vkAAOSwXY5ZXTgw

Torx screw mid 3 oclock picture going through to the ally housing from right

versus

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SAAB-9-3-9-5-IGNITION-SWITCH-4943692/332497474315?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=20131017132637&meid=5ed07946322b46b1a882ad969794c026&pid=100033&rk=2&rkt=8&sd=332497474315&_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042
thanks for the info re: torx screw, I have a few and should have one that fits.
my problem is when starting, I have to put a lot of force to turn the key, almost as if something is blocking or worn; sometimes car will not crank, and have to try 2 to 3 times; another forum that I mentioned this problem to, they said it's most likely the ignition switch. does this sound ?
and yeah, this switch is expensive now - close to $300 USD
 

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Well its either the ignition switch or the key barrel.
You can remove the barrel,take it apart and clean/check the tumblers etc
There are tutorials somewhere on the forum.

I had the problem on 2 x 9-5's both times it was the old style ignition switch.

You should be able to find an inexpensive used switch...from a breaker.
 

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According to WIS, for manual trans, all ignition switches 2000-2009 interchange. The 2000-2006 are different, but NLS, and the replacement is the 2007-9 switches. So getting a late-model switch would probably be a better bet.

Automatic trans, 2002-2009 all interchange. It's a different switch from the manual, not sure what the difference would be.
 

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Well its either the ignition switch or the key barrel.
You can remove the barrel,take it apart and clean/check the tumblers etc
There are tutorials somewhere on the forum.

I had the problem on 2 x 9-5's both times it was the old style ignition switch.

You should be able to find an inexpensive used switch...from a breaker.
well, I ordered a lock cylinder and it's a tiny bit better but not much better. In the morning when engine is cold, it's still quite very hard to start (no cranking, only the dash lights all lit up); when engine is warm or just starting the 2nd time it's a bit better. so does this sound like ignition switch?

the part I need to get is: https://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/58663/Ignition-Switch-55563303/
 
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