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Just cant seem to able to pull the trigger on a tech2 scanner, as the saabs are the only GM cars I own. I also think it's unlikely that I will purchase a different GM car in the future. So I am on the lookout for some tech2 alternatives. I understand that tje tech2 is only tool that will allow for full bi-directional control. I am more interested in being able to pull error codes from all the modules. According to their website the autel ap200 has access to pretty much all the saab modules. The catch is that the tool only provides support for 1 vehicle make, each additional manufacturer costs 15$/year.


This tool is twice as expensive in Canada, before I buy I'm curious if any of you guys have given it a shot.

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Try typing "autel" into the search bar. Plenty of threads here that have discussed this.

It may be worthwhile on a 9-5, I dunno.
 

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Just cant seem to able to pull the trigger on a tech2 scanner, as the saabs are the only GM cars I own. I also think it's unlikely that I will purchase a different GM car in the future. So I am on the lookout for some tech2 alternatives. I understand that tje tech2 is only tool that will allow for full bi-directional control. I am more interested in being able to pull error codes from all the modules. According to their website the autel ap200 has access to pretty much all the saab modules. The catch is that the tool only provides support for 1 vehicle make, each additional manufacturer costs 15$/year.


This tool is twice as expensive in Canada, before I buy I'm curious if any of you guys have given it a shot.

Thanks!
The MDI works too, I my opinion a better one then the Tech2. There are plenty of alternatives especially if all you want to do is diagnose. I am not sure about the AP200, $15 a year is really not that bad in general except there really is nothing more to update with these car as far as diagnostics tools are concerned. The XTuner or the VPecker can access all the modules in the Saab and works with many other car lines too. I purchased the VPecker for the name alone so we could have some laughs, turns out it is way more then we thought and for some models it's as good as our factory tools that we spent thousands on. Snap-on actually removed all Saab diagnostics from their line.
 

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In case anyone who happens upon this thread is wondering the same thing I was...
I came across the autel ap200 at Princess auto and decided to pick it up.

I have a 2006 saab 9-5 and this scanner is able to pull the codes from every module. You can also go into each of these modules and view live data. Transmission temps, airbag codes, parking sensor error data, it's all there. I don't think this scanner has any bidirectional controls. But I've only been playing around with the scanner for a couple of days, ill update if I find any down the line.
 

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So can you go into Trionic and read cylinder misfire and knock counts? How about blended air temps from ACC? If you have HID lights, can you get level sensor readings?
 

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So can you go into Trionic and read cylinder misfire and knock counts? How about blended air temps from ACC? If you have HID lights, can you get level sensor readings?
I was able to find most of that information. Unfortunately I kept getting an error when trying to get into the Xenon module. Which is weird because i swear I was able to get into it before.

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Side note. Prior to erasing the codes from all the modules the knock counters were all in the 15000's, and the misfire counters were in the 100's. Aside from cylinder 4 which had 1200 misfire counts.

Is this regular behavior?
 

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If it's any consolation, I can no longer reliably get into the TPMS of my '08 9-3SS using an Autel MD802, which uses the same software as the AP200. I used to use this, but now it frequently doesn't work. No idea why.

Lifetime misfire counts aren't as valuable as short-term counts. I'm actually a bit surprised Trionic even keeps that data for more than a drive cycle!
 

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I was able to find most of that information. Unfortunately I kept getting an error when trying to get into the Xenon module. Which is weird because i swear I was able to get into it before.

Here are some screenshots I took:
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Side note. Prior to erasing the codes from all the modules the knock counters were all in the 15000's, and the misfire counters were in the 100's. Aside from cylinder 4 which had 1200 misfire counts.

Is this regular behavior?
How you reset knock counter? didn't find that option.
 

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Long term misfire counts are pretty useless. Reset and drive for a few days. If they're pretty even and not stratospheric, you're probably good. From what I see, I'd keep an eye on things, why is Cylinder 4 so much higher on misfires than the others?
 

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How you reset knock counter? didn't find that option.
Im not sure how I did it. I think it happened when I pressed erase all after scanning the modules.

why is Cylinder 4 so much higher on misfires than the others?
I'm asking myself the same thing. Maybe the dic is a bit loose. I noticed that the screws holding it in like to back out.
 

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FWIW, I have the Autel HT200, which seems to be the sold-only-in-Walmart equivalent to the AP200. It pulls a ton of data. For both, there is no additional fee for the first vehicle, only for the second vehicle and beyond.

I was impressed with the information it pulled. But, I was disappointed (although not entirely surprised) when it would not calibrate the steering angle sensor (it said it could on the outside of the box, amongst other "advanced" tricks).

The user interface for the app has improved from "miserable" about a year ago to "passable" currently. I ended up also buying a BlueDriver because I didn't think the wife would be able to use the Autel HT200 (at least not without cursing my name), and the car was throwing codes and going into limp-home pretty regularly at the time (on the way to an ECU failure).

So, I bought the HT200 for $60, then I bought the BlueDriver for $100, and now I'm looking at getting a Tech2 clone for $300. I didn't take the cheapest route.

TL;DR - The AP200 / HT200 is impressive based on all it can read, the BlueDriver is impressive for making a comprehensive (but possibly not as comprehensive) tool so easy to use, and the Tech2 is required to do any actual programming of settings (despite the AP200 / HT200 saying it can).
 

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I was impressed with the information [the AP200/HT200] pulled. But, I was disappointed (although not entirely surprised) when it would not calibrate the steering angle sensor (it said it could on the outside of the box, amongst other "advanced" tricks).
After replacing the actual sensor in the CIM, I determined I WAS able to reset/recalibrate the Steering Angle Sensor with the AP200/HT200. The error it gave originally wasn’t clear at all why the calibration failed (which is now obvious), thus my original incorrect statement.

I still haven’t tried some of the other advanced features (like key programming), so I can’t comment on any of those.

So, I upgrade my review of the AP200/HT200 to be one heck of a tool for $50 or $60 and easily available locally (arguably 24/7 in many markets, compared to 10 days and $350 for a Tech2 clone and old PC) — critical when you’re facing an unexpected issue, although their error handling, messaging, and general user interface of the app still needs some work. Be warned though, their support is seemingly nonexistent; there was a 6 month period where their app didn’t work with the fresh release of Android, and multiple emails to their support team went unanswered.

I hope that helps one of you determine what tool is right for you, avoid buying multiple like I did, and get back on the road enjoying your Saab!

Edit: grammar
 
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