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Hi guys

Recently installed an icm3 into my car, and I love it. Its so much nicer to use than the icm1 I had before. However, I cant work help but think that the quality of the sound coming from the speakers is just that bit better.

There seems to be more bass coming from the rear speakers. They are only 4 inch pioneers but they were vibrating the seats slightly, and that never used to happen when the icm1 was installed.

I know for a fact that I didn't have the volume turned up anymore than what I normally do as I like my music to be balanced, and if I have it turned up too loud the mid and treble takes over due, due to not having any speakers larger then 4 inches, which isnt good for the music I like.

Or am I just going mad?

Thanks for any input.

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The "quality" of the sound (bad word for these cars), comes from the EHU behind the A/C Panel.

You are going downthe same route I took.

ICM3 first, then giving in and going for the AMP1 and door speakers to give some "normal" bass.
 

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Ok, thanks for the info.

The plan is to install an amp and use the rear speaker lines as inputs. Am I right in thinking that in the 4 speakers system that there is no filtering/eq present? (other than what you can select on the icm)

Thanks for any help

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well I upgraded from ICM1 to ICM2 and I thought the sound was better too, this may be because the new ICM was programmed to have the 7 speakers in the old car where as my ICM1 was only programmed for the 4 speaker system my car originally had , but I'm guessing ;)
 

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Ok, thanks for the info.

The plan is to install an amp and use the rear speaker lines as inputs. Am I right in thinking that in the 4 speakers system that there is no filtering/eq present? (other than what you can select on the icm)

Thanks for any help

Mike
By AMP, do you mean AMP1 (under the front seat)?

The 4 speaker set up simply contains ZERO Bass. It isn't the speakers fault, the bass is filtered out at the EHU.

It's like listening to a band with half the instruments missing

The only success you will have is to install an AMP1 with door speakers (and centre dash) and run a further AMP from the speaker outs of AMP1.

Once you get AMP1 installed, you have more options, without an AMP1, you are pretty much goosed with this joke system.

I had a Nissan Note as a hire car yesterday, the stereo completely blows the Saab effort out of the water, no comparison at all (and I am comparing it to my 7 speaker set up).

I lived with the 4 speaker set up for about 6 Months, truly the biggest joke of the audio World, without question the very worse system ever to have been fitted to a motor vehicle.
 

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Hmm, this isnt sounding good.

When i said amp, i meant a 4 channel pioneer amp to run 2 component sets off and a sub.

My guess as to the icm 3 making the bass sound better is that the adjustable eq range would be increased due to the additional speakers that the icm3 would be controlling, if you catch my drift.

As for the 4 speaker system having no bass, I wouldnt be so sure. I listen to a range of music, but mainly electonica (mostly hardcore, hardstyle and dubstep), and the bass for them is fine. Of course its nothing like having a well matched sub/mid-bass/tweeter set up, but it will do for now. The speakers I have installed are pioneer 3.5inch ts-876's in the dash and 4 inch pioneer ts-g1002i's.

The way I have my system configured it to have bass up full, treble in the middle, and the fader set to roughly 60:40 in favour of the rear. I find changing the fader in the system makes the world of difference. if i have it in the middle, its sounds aweful, but play around with it and the results make a huge difference.

I guess i will have to find out the hard way if i got for the sub/amp/component set before adding amp1. But time will tell.
 

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I too have gone from ICM1 4 speakers up to ICM3 7 speakers, as well as replacing all the stock 4" speakers and paralleling 6x9's in the rear.

It is true though that happiER is a fair description, a MASSIVE improvement which in reality reflects just how bad it was before.

My ICM3 woes
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107917

My Centre Air Vent woes!!
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107863

My AMP1 install post
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135342

boyd.lyn's upgrade most of us got involved in :)
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116109


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lmao you need to read a little more mate, I too have upgraded from 4 to 7 speakers
I should have been more specific.
I meant "upgraded the 4 speaker system without adding AMP1."
We have probably had a dozen or so ES1 to ES2 upgraders.
Victor never got AMP1. Like many he balked at the high price.
 

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I too have gone from ICM1 4 speakers up to ICM3 7 speakers, as well as replacing all the stock 4" speakers and paralleling 6x9's in the rear.

It is true though that happiER is a fair description, a MASSIVE improvement which in reality reflects just how bad it was before.

My ICM3 woes
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107917

My Centre Air Vent woes!!
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107863

My AMP1 install post
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135342

boyd.lyn's upgrade most of us got involved in :)
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116109


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Thanks for the links Chris, sounds like you went through a bit of pain to get it all up and running.

Does anyone think there is any chance an aftermarket speakers will sound any good if I run it off an amp off the rear speaker lines, or rca's coming directly from the EHU? Or would it be worth investing in an amp1 + the optical cables to make it work, but leave the door speakers and just use it for a decent bass signal?

Another thing I've noticed since having the icm3 installed is that the D.T.E (Distance Till Empty) is much more accurate. the most it would get with the icm1 was 125 miles, now its around 400 when I brim the tank. Just an observation.

Once again thanks for the help.

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Thanks for the links Chris, sounds like you went through a bit of pain to get it all up and running.

Does anyone think there is any chance an aftermarket speakers will sound any good if I run it off an amp off the rear speaker lines, or rca's coming directly from the EHU? Or would it be worth investing in an amp1 + the optical cables to make it work, but leave the door speakers and just use it for a decent bass signal?
Those speakers do not get a great signal as they are intended as rear fill.
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4468&d=1142000047
 

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mike, by the time you have bought the amp1, and connected it all up with the cables etc the cost of door speakers in small to say the least so you may as well fit them, but yes then you can connect an aftermarket amp to the amp1 to drive 6x9s in the back


read this thread from Saba to see how he connected his 6x9s

you could connect your amp up the way Saba has to drive his 4" speakers, but drive 6x9s instead, that is what I did until I fitted amp1, you will get better sound but it wont be great
 

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I was going to drive the rear 6x9's from AMP1 as well but I decided against it as I would lose the Front/Rear fader.
Don't use it often but it does come in handy occasionally.
 
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