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I posted a few weeks ago about my coolant level going down in my reservoir. I went to change my oil today, and found coolant dripped on the ground for the first time. The car was sitting for a few days.

Here is a pic of where I found the drip origin.
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I assume the coolant is wrapping around this particular part, so the actual leak may be slightly above this area, but I cannot find anything without really ripping things apart I think. Is this in the area of the water pump(is it the water pump)?

Second pic shows how the coolant flows to eventually hit the gound.

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Quite possibly the water pump seal doing more than just seeping a little.

Use a pressure device to expose this and any weak hoses..
These parts are usually good for 50 to 150K miles.... most go for 100 or so...

I believe the WP is reasonable in price, as are the hoses..
I hope the level at the reservoir is not dropping too fast...
 

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Is that the water pump in the first pic that I posted?

It is not leaking too bad. Just dripping. It is noticable that it is going down in the reservoir, but never enough in a week or two that I get a low coolant message on the SID. It is something I would like to get resolved before the winter though.(and this is ignoring the fact that it may get worse as time goes on).
 

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Is that the water pump in the first pic that I posted?

I cannot tell at all, Doug

I thought the newer non-silicate anti-freeze was supposed to be easier on the pump.. This may a but a hose leak......so hard to know

Via removing(partially) the serp belt, and grasping the pump pulley, you may be able to at least isolate.
There is a weep hole at the pump, if coolant is seen here..............
A pressure tester will help....
 

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Yeah, that's got to be the water pump. The low side hose runs into it. Check and see.

Water pump replacement is not too bad. It did take me a while though. you may want to take pics of exactly how the hard line goes into the water pump. That killed me to have it leak upon reassembly! The pump is only around $50 though.
 

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I have not deterimined exactly where the leak is coming from yet, but if it is indeed the water pump, is it ok to order the aftermarket from eeuroparts or should I get the saab oem. The oem is twice the price.
 

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I have the aftermarket version sitting in a box (got it for $35 on sale from some parts liquidator online). To be honest, I wish I had paid for the OEM version. The OEM version looks like it comes with the pipe, the aftermarket version does not. So you have to split and reseal the housing.

Looking at the gasket I received for the housing, I bet the other half will require a lot of cleaning to get a good seal. Doing it over is a pain. When I did the thermostat, most of the time was spent cleaning the housing and block to make sure the gasket would work, and I expect the same with the pump. I am thinking of buying the seal from Saab to see it it is any better, or just getting the pipe from a junkyard so I can take my time assembling it.

Btw, when I had a pump leak last time, it was the o-rings at the adapter pipe (there are two of them), and the mechanic just tightened it up and it has been fine for the last 40k miles. I am told when the pumps are replaced early, often all that is wrong is that the o-rings are leaking. Good luck.
 

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PMI said:
I have the aftermarket version sitting in a box (got it for $35 on sale from some parts liquidator online). To be honest, I wish I had paid for the OEM version. The OEM version looks like it comes with the pipe, the aftermarket version does not. So you have to split and reseal the housing.

Looking at the gasket I received for the housing, I bet the other half will require a lot of cleaning to get a good seal.
Which pipe? I got the aftermarket and it was fine. Yeah, you have to split, clean and reseal, but that was about the least time consuming thing in the whole process. The adaptor pipe is the real fun to get at. I gave up on mine and prayed that it wasn't the o-ring on it that was causing the leak. Luckily, it wasn't. I swapped in the aftermarket back around march or april and it's been fine ever since.
 

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I am actually thinking it may be a hose at this point. Where exactly is the water pump? It is on the passenger side (US), and toward the cabin side of the engine isn't it? This leak is coming from up near the front of the engine bay. Seemingly in the radiator/intercooler area. I think it is probably dripping from a point above the part I showed in the first picture. What is the best way to get at this area? Do I need to pull the whole front off?
 

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Nope, the water pump is right below the power steering pump on the accessory belt. The lower radiator hose runs from the radiator to the pump. It could very well be the hose, but that is the area of the water pump.
 

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Thanks for the info. For some reason I was thinking it was towards the back.

Should I be able to see anything from the side access panel in the wheel arch? I took that off on Sunday and could not seem to find anything. What is the best way to get a good look at that area.

p.s. I finally got my haynes manual, and it sucks.:roll: I guess I was expecting diagrams and such, not awful page layout, poor descriptions, and avatar size b&w pictures. Any good source for a full diagram of that part of the car and how to take it apart for access?
 

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Which pipe?
I think the technical term is "watchamacallit", but here is the official description from EPC:

Article : Pump connection
PartNo : 9144759
Usage : 1994-1996, NLS-USE 9187691
Engine T026592--
Order Quantity : 1

"6" in the diagram below. I assume 8 is the adapter. AFAIK, all three o-rings (3,4, and 5) and the little u-shaped hose are supposed to be replaced at the same time, but I have not done it yet. Too much wearing out on this car, too little time...

 

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Maybe eEuroParts may have something.

Also search the SaabNet..
Even if the pump is leaking a little, and it could be an O ring or a seal - these "leaks" are controlled - no being stranded will occur if the level is monitored.
Unless Saab now specifies an Oring 0.05 larger, I would reuse the old one, unless torn - otherwise these ORings are very rugged, particularly in "static" use..
We took to carrying spare coolant in the old Volvo with mysterious
"leaks"..
At age 5 to 10 the upper radiator hose can burst, this is a disabler, but so easy to change....
 

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PMI said:
I think the technical term is "watchamacallit", but here is the official description from EPC:

Article : Pump connection
PartNo : 9144759
Usage : 1994-1996, NLS-USE 9187691
Engine T026592--
Order Quantity : 1

"6" in the diagram below. I assume 8 is the adapter. AFAIK, all three o-rings (3,4, and 5) and the little u-shaped hose are supposed to be replaced at the same time, but I have not done it yet. Too much wearing out on this car, too little time...




Ah, nope, mine didn't come w/ that but it was no problem at all to sperate the old one and scrape down the gasket. I gave up on removing #8 since I didn't want to bend it. It wouldn't come lose w/ moderate force. I figured since that was the case, it probably wasn't leaking either. Haynes WAS horrible for this job but so was the WIC. I had my laptop sitting on a stand next to the car and was cursing the whole time. Where #11 comes into the water pump was a problem for me. It's an INTERESTING connection. It's VERY easy to bend those hard pipes, too, and probably break them. I had the whole thing back together and when I added coolant, it all came out that #11 connection. Thankfully, the leak stopped. I never really did see WHERE on the pump it was coming from, but not out the pulley. None the less, it was a decent leak, requiring me to top off once a week minimum.

I do remember pulling that access panel on the side, but that may have just been to get at the belt. As I said, I guess I just took it on faith that it was the pump since it was leaking from that area. I already had a new hose on. Luckily, I think I was right.:lol:
 

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I never really did see WHERE on the pump it was coming from, but not out the pulley. None the less, it was a decent leak, requiring me to top off once a week minimum.
I think that's a common complaint, not being able to see where the leak is. I took a good look when the ps pump was out, and could not quite match up the instructions in the Haynes manual. The small o-ring may be a weak point on reassembly, it may have leaked until it swelled and sealed the pipe connection.

I wonder if there is a trick to taking out the adapter. Not looking forward to it.
 

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Thanks for all the help, it will probably have to wait till this weekend till I can take a better look. This is one of those things I don't really have time for ATM. I would like to just take it somewhere and have it fixed, but that is probably more trouble than doing it myself on the weekend in reality.(saab specialists are far away, and I don't trust the shop across the street to get correct parts and coolant).

The odd part is I seem to have a steady drip, and a nice size patch on the ground in the morning, but the level in the reservoir has not really dropped substantially.

That said I drove my other car this morning because I was afraid the dam would break and leave me stranded. I commute 60 miles per day though and my other car is not as enjoyable since it does not have sat radio or ipod connection :)
 

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I know what you mean. Mine was so slight that it evidently only made itself evident upon pressurization. I never had a leak on the ground but would have a few drips on the subframe.
 

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My concern is that it is getting worse actually. When I first started to notice my coolant level dropping I did not notice anything on the ground. Now i am noticing more and more on the ground.

This if it is the pump, the job sure looks like a bit of a bear. I am thinking of taking half a day off work next week and taking it over to the saab dealer near my work. I actually posted about how cool they were and charged me nothing to have a guy use a tech II to reprogram some keys for me...even though the guy was on his lunch break. I don't want to do the "drop it off and have them call me". I want to be there when they put it on the lift, and then discuss the problem and cost to fix. That is unless I can find the culprit is not a big job.
 
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