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"Saab's first SUV is really just a Chevrolet TrailBlazer with upgraded interior and exterior appointments. The 9-7X even has a traditional Saab ignition key on the center console. The suspension is calibrated differently from the TrailBlazer. The all-wheel-drive system is permanent and lacks a low range. The 9-7X is also the first "Saab" to have a V8. Reliability of the TrailBlazer has been poor, and the offset crash-test results of the Chevrolet are unimpressive." MSN Link :cry:

I felt all bad after reading such a slam. NCTD recently posted with some nice things though. NCTD Link :cool:
 

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Ok, sentence number one makes the claim that the 9-7x is no different than the Trailblazer. The next four sentences give examples of how the 9-7x is different than the Trailblazer. The last two sentences say nothing about the 9-7x, but are still talking about the Trailblazer.

They did the same thing with the H3, saying that it was nothing but a Colorado with a new skin, excluding that the H3 is 90% new parts.
 

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CU is biased against the American and European manufacturers - how do we really know where its support comes from ??

CU should stick to toasters ,and even there they mess up..
Granted, the 9-7 is not the end-all , be-all, but there are better things down the road...
 
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I'll admit it: I have a subscription to Consumer Reports. But I have NEVER EVER used it in the process of buying a car. In other words, they may know their fabric softeners, but they have no idea about Saabs.

When they get around to testing the 9-7x, I hope their first impression of it is completely derailed and they rate it higher than the Volvo and Volkswagen SUVs. But because they were wrong in the first place, they'll probably use that against the 9-7x. Toyota must be throwing CU some money every year:cheesy:
 

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I agree with you guys. My inlaw's read and think it's the holy grail of information, then I have to show them real world ratings. I think CR is a bunch of crotchety old men. No one wants a Japanese clone for every car.
 

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While I'm not terribly fond of the 9-7x, I wouldn't take CR's advice seriously.

You can't evaluate a car like a dishwasher. The Holy Grail for them is the Toyota Camry or Corolla. My dishwasher is far more interesting and exciting than those cars....

Oh yeah, my Whirlpool Duet washer/dryer is pretty awesome too (really!) :D
 

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flame consumer reports all you guys want, but in reality, there are very few consumer feedback groups with enough responses to be significant. i'm not saying consumer reports is my sole determining factor in the purchases i make, but i'll regard their information as more substantial and influential than word of mouth from the people around me. sure it may seem that consumer reports is biased towards japanese makes such as toyota and honda, but in reality, i have heard very little (if any) people that have been dissatisfied with their toyota or honda due to reliability problems...and what do you know?...they are consistently at the top of the reliability charts according to consumer reports. sure, their rankings may be a little inaccurate due to the point values they assign for component failures such as electrical, transmission, engine, etc., but in my opinion, you get the point...generally speaking, toyotas and hondas perform with less problems than other makes and models...end of point.

they're not a magazine company that focuses on the fun factor of cars or which car has the most personality. people can determine that themselves...all you need is a test drive for this. but what you can't do on a test drive is determine on average how a particular vehicle's reliability will fare as the miles add on. this is probably why they seem to knock cars that have an unusually stiff ride. their target audience is not a race car driver. their main objective is consumer feedback, with a primary focus on reliability. another factor they sometimes focus on is owner satisfaction. but what do you know?...there's usually a strong correlation between reliability and owner satisfaction. why?...because no matter how fun to drive a particular car may be, there's nothing fun about being stuck on the side of the road, or taking your car to the shop. so if you're one of those people that could care less about how well a particular vehicle will hold up as the miles add on, by all means, take consumer reports with a grain of salt...because after all, that's the main focus of their whole organization.

i've never heard of any agency questioning, much less proving, that their claims of not accepting donations and purchasing every product off the store shelf like you and i do, as false or inaccurate. i think they're one of the best sources of collaborative feedback the general public has...it may not be perfect, but it's more scientific and accurate than asking the opinions of your friends before you buy. just my opinion...if you disagree, give me a better and more comprehensive source to determine reliability (NOT just initial quality).

(by the way, i have never owned a subscription to consumer reports).
 

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Is Consumer Report 100% accurate? I don't think so. It's their job to find something wrong with that product, otherwise, they are all will be out of job.

My advise to my friends when they are going to purchase a car is go out for a test drive and feel the characteristics of the car. If you like it get it, you are the critic not them. Cars now a days are more reliable than before, and there are more choices other than Hondas and Toyotas.
 

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gripen...hmm, i'm not sure if your post was directed toward my post or not, but NOBODY is saying consumer reports is 100% accurate. you must have missed the entire point of my post. of course if you test drive a car and you like it, you buy it. but consumer reports offers consumer feedback on various areas of ownership, with the primary focus being reliability. can you get this type of information from a test drive?...if you can, i bet consumer reports will offer you one hell of a salary. not many people will argue that cars in general are more reliable today than they were in the past. consumer reports comments on this, and even offers statistics on how reliability has improved over the years. but no matter how much improvement has been made through the years, there will always be a more reliable make/model...end of story. if you don't care one bit about reliability, then consumer reports is of no value to you...but that does NOT make their organization a running joke. if you feel like you can determine reliability more scientifically and accurately without using the methods outlined by consumer reports, again, i bet they would offer you one hell of a salary.
 
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