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well, to start with im torn between my saabs at the moment as the story is this.........i had a 2.0 8valve then an 8 valve turbo then a t16s then a 9k carlsson now a 9000 cs 2.3 and hopefully il end up with my 2.3 fpt carlsson which ive always wanted shortley:D :D
enough of the rant....what i want to do is prepare myself a "special custom saab" hopefully something that hasnt been done already.So please put me right if there somebody already done this:cry:
im planning to take a classic 900 t16s on an e reg and do the following:
strip it out first
graft a 2.3 9000 full pressure turbo in
port polish , gas flow and balance the engine
uprate the flywheel and clutch to a 2.3 also
lower/stiffen suspension hopefully gas adjustable
full s/s 3inch exhaust with twin pipes at the rear
have the 2.3 ecu chipped
under the bed of the engine have a skid plate fully across
graft 2 front 9k carlsson seats in(from my 2.0 im breaking)
remove the back seats altogether
tweak the brakes accordingley
sit it on 16" super aeros that i pik up tomoz
have a custom carlsson kit made from fibre glass
also a rear spoiler(design unkown at the mo-open to suggestions)
im toying with a bonnett scoop for air but not an add on, a real cut in 1???:confused:
custom grill
flaired arches???not sure
a two tone blue and silver with silver fading into blue
there may be things ive left out and somethings may be too much but feedback welcome as thats my idea and have set myself 12 mths to complete it:D
with a bit of luck il be starting next week

p.s if i add wings will it fly:D
 

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well the lads at t+w motors, www.saab-specialists.com will be doing the work for me and as the 2.3 9k engine transplant was half there idea i cant see why it wont work. it may end up costing me a couple of quid and remember its only for me a toy:D
 

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why not fade from blue to silver? silver is a much more common primer...would look like you went so fast that air curved around the front and peeled the paint from the back...
 

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GearHead said:
why not fade from blue to silver? silver is a much more common primer...would look like you went so fast that air curved around the front and peeled the paint from the back...
you mean blue front half fading into silver at back or blue top and silver bottom? As i say all feedback is welcome as its still in the planning stages.
Of course there will be pics and updates available for all to see how it works out.With the lack of response im taking it there not much comments people have re this idea or do people think it cant be done:D
 

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This will probably take you a while, as if nothing else, the cost of getting a Carlsson (Airflow) bodykit made out of fibreglass will be prohibitive if it is done properly. Check ebay as they do come up now and again and it will probably be cheaper to use a genuine one. Everything else has been done before by someone, somewhere, so do search the forums for specific advice. I think it's important to be flexible with the plan as well - I wouldn't bother replacing a 900 engine with a 9000 one just for the hell of it as it is going to be an awful lot of work. Additionally it would be easy to make a complete bodge out of a project by rushing it or cutting corners, so its worth taking your time over it. Look forward to seeing pictures when you make a start.
 

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the only problem im hearing with carlsson kits are the obvious speed bumps so this is why im thinking of having 1 made to my spec, only carlsson styling not actually a replica. Im lucky enough to know a fibre glasser so that side of it wont be too expensive if i help make the mold up, itd be more of a favour to me.:D

The plan is not set in stone and neither the guidelines so flexible i am most definate as you say i dont want anything bodged-if it takes 2 years so be it:)

The enigine transplant was more T+W MOTORS (www.saab-specialists.com)
idea than mine i just gave them specs id want to achieve and asked how they would go about it and pretty much agreed with them as theyll have to do the work and there confident that it can all be done to a high standard-just the obvious time factor and "money"

Ive already got the wheels,shell,seats,engine,box,ecu and turbo so at least ive the basics-the gearbox is my only "real" concern.
Il search the forums for ideas of course but it takes time also and was hoping a fanatic/enthusiast out there could point me to any links appropriate.
Thanks lads in advance for the help:D
 

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ridacy2: A very interesting project! The 2.3 could be a real killer engine, and with the Trionic engine mangement (if it's from 93?) would be a nice upgrade 8)

The gearbox will be an issue though, as the crank will hit the gearbox. You could remove some of the material in the box, but this will cause a very weak gearbox to become weaker :evil:
That said, you should most definetly go for a 4-speed Jörgen Ericson gearbox, as they are the strongest ones out there. They cost though...
Looking forward to hearing more!
Daniel.
 

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I would say if you're that intent having the 2.3litre engine, look further into the option of installing it in an East-West configuration. Take into account the extra engineering cost involved but also the amount you will save using the much stronger/upgradeable 9000 gearbox, as opposed to the grand sum alone of an Eriksson 4 speed! Not to mention the WAITING LIST! Just something to think about...

If you're looking to do something that hasn't been done well... just about everything has! 2.3 transplants, RWD conversions, V8 transplants... I've even seen a C900 boat!
Is there any reason you want to use a 2.3 other than you have the engine laying around? Perhaps you could tell this board what the 'specs' you'd like to achieve are?
 

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I would say if you're that intent having the 2.3litre engine, look further into the option of installing it in an East-West configuration.
And ditch the unequal length double wishbone set up for struts? Kind of defeats the object of having a c900 in the fist place...

That, and the 9000 folks seem to have their share of gearbox problems, too. In fact, I've seen a 9-3 guy break his 'box and tear out a driveshaft by going around an industrial estate like a nutter, too. Oh, and Scooby folks complain of their gearboxes being made out of cheddar cheese, too. Common factor: abuse in lower gears: power shifting, drag racing, loads of wheelspin (in itself not bad) followed by a huge shock load as the front wheels regain grip. None of it makes one fast in real world road or track situations. OTOH, standard c900 gearboxes survived numerous trackdays driven *very* fast, on high powered cars...

FWIW I think a 2.1 litre bored B202 block with the right kind of set up will produce more than enough grunt for any FWD set up to handle, so why the hassle of re-engineering your complete front end (giving dozens of opportunities to s***w up so badly that the car will never handle properly and/or behave in an undesirable way in case of an impact) to accommodate the 2.3?

And if you are willing to spend the time and money overcome all this, I'd suggest going all out and make your 2.3 a 2.5 with massively ported head, big valves, roller bearing turbo etc. to differentiate it enough from the fast 2.0/2.1 crowd for making it seem remotely worthwhile... :)
 

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I was only throwing ideas in the air. If riclacey2's objective was as he originally stated; to build a "special custom saab, hopefully something that hasn't been done..." then he could endeavour in something costly/seemingly unworthwhile if it's the only way to achieve that.

Personally, I was trying to discourage that line of thinking (it only enhances [email protected]) by saying everything has been done, and that if he could tell us the level of specs he wants to achieve with his car, then someone such as Eric could come along and tell him how easily it can be done without extensive reengineering; by using a prepped 2.0/2.1 litre. But still, we don't know what riclacey2 wants...
 

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what about rotating the existing engine,adapting a rwd tranny to it,and run power out to an independant rear axle?probally equaly just as complex.btw run a "dry sump oling system"


on a side note I had to drive our 'burban to pick up parts for my car,I parked in a gravel parking lot.when I had to go all I did was make sure it was in 2h and turn in the direction I wanted to go and give it "some gas" and the tail end of that land yacht whipped around very fast,quite fun...it literaly turned right on the spot.

another thing.is it bad to go into a parking lot,put lunch trays under the rear tires of our C900's and "burnout"? Ive heard it simulates RWD doughnuts and such.but does it hurt our cars?
 

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But still, we don't know what riclacey2 wants...

well the answer to that is this
0-60mph 6 seconds or less
150+? top speed....ive read people achieving a lot higher than this
I have 2 close friends who drive a subaru and a mitsubishi evo and would propably say im chasing evo power as scooby power isnt that hard to beat as i can give 1 more than a run in my 2.3 cs(maybe not bottom end).....
the guidelines are just that and as im not mechanically minded in anyway im relying on T+W MOTORS knowledge to help with this.....
Im on a £3000 initial budget but as stated i have a lot of the parts already so £3k should give me a good start....
Im not after selling it on nor looking to get monies back on it as i already know that itll be dead money once i start spending but thats what "I" want....
At 27 im still young enough to be playing id hope?
 

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use a metallic paint-metallic silver and metalic blue of some color...
like the idea il have to see how practical it all is when we get to that stage...
Id love to have a program i could use to design a paint job but my heads all ive got...
 

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riclacey2 said:
But still, we don't know what riclacey2 wants...

At 27 im still young enough to be playing id hope?
LOL, there's no age requirement/limit in this hobby, as long as you
can afford it/have the time.

But I would spend the money on a 9000 as well.

And please dont make it look like a HotWheels nightmare..;);)
Sleepers Rule!

CN
 

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What the...? Why go 9k, could be sweet with a c900 with a 9k engine and tranny! Grandet, it is a lot of work, heck, I don't know if the engine/gearbox will even fit, but if you can fit a T16 in a 99, maybe you can put a 9k in a c900!
With 3k you can make one hell of a c900, keeping the c900 engine though... That would really make a nice car...
Daniel.
 
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