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well i handed my saab 95 into the saab garage to get its mayor service today.All was going fine until i went to the garage to collect the car and they told me the oil light had came on and they said the sump(not sure if that is the correct word)was blocked and during unblocking it which was full of oil sludge there was also metal shavings amongst it.The next thing they told me the big ends were damaged and the whole of the bottom of the engine has to be replaced which will cost between 2 and 3 thousand pounds.the only problem is my warrenty will only cover me for about £1700 and i have to find the rest the saab garage has told me i should try and get the garage i bought the car from to pay the rest but they told me not to hold my breath as i would be lucky if they would cough up but a thing in my favour is when i bought the car 8 months ago on the day of getting the car on my way home the oil light came on i stopped straight away and phoned the garage i bought the car off.At the roadside the garage told me over the phone to check the oil which i did and it was fine they then told me to start the car and when i did the check oil was of (and for the last eight months it has never came back on)they put it down to a computer error and i thought nothing more of it i checked the oil once a week and all has been fine for the last 8 months and also in that time i have done only 4000 miles which isnt really a lot of miles.I will post back and tell you how i get on cause tomorrrow i will be phoning around to try and get the garage to pay the rest for it or failing that i will try the citizens advice
 

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also forgot to say and probably most impotant bit of info on the way home tonight the car chugged coughed and spluttered the whole way home yet when i took it to the saab garage this morning it was running fine or at least i thought it was fine:(
 

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This is really bad news, mine had a new short engine two years ago :cry:

I really wish you luck with the warranty and the dealer :confused:

Ok gonna sound dumb here but cant the big end be replaced?
 

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i am not to sure if the big ends can be replaced but the people at the saab garage told me there is already engine damage and i am guessing that is y the bottom half has to be replaced
 

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Found this elsewhere:

Just ask them to check the bottom end for any signs of damage.
All they will have to do is remove the sump, take a cap or 2 of the crank journals, and pistons, check the 'bearings' and crank, both will hopefully be smooth and nice looking.


If it's just the bearings, you can put a set of bearings (shells) in and it should be ok, if the crank is scored, then it gets pricey, and you may as well replace the engine.


Also prior to letting them put a short block in, ask them to fully check the cams for signs of damage, as these can be damaged easily with oil problems just as much as the bottom end.
 

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What in god's name is a "big end"? :(
Pistons are connected to the crankshaft via a connecting rod. The connecting rod has a small end connected to the piston by a gudgeon pin. The larger end or "big end" of the connecting rod rotates in a bearing shell at the crankshaft end. Its normally these bearings getting worn out that is referred to as "big ends gone".
 

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oooooooooooooooo, spun bearings. You silly british.

And I'm assuming you meant crankshaft and not camshaft.
 

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i was thinking last night when the saab garage said the sump was blocked and they removed and cleaned it they noticed there was movement in the big ends and possible engine damage.y was the car running fine when i took it to the garage yet coming home it was vibrating and jreking whilst excelerating (the car also got a new di cassete fitted yesterday)do you think the saab garage done the damage to the car or do you think removing the sump unblocking it just made the damage noticeable or does any1 think that the car just has something in it that isnt connected together right and that is what is causing the vibration etc like i said in an earlier post i will be spending most of my day trying to get this sorted somehow but any help in the meantime would be very helpfull ;oops:
 

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I wonder why it got a new DI?:confused:
 

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it got a new di because the car was cutting out with me and they said that was what was causing it to cut out
 

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it got a new di because the car was cutting out with me and they said that was what was causing it to cut out
Still seems odd though doesnt it, why put a £200 part on a car that needs a new engine? But if it was stalling then I guess that makes sense.

We have seen far to many of these failures it worth asking the dealer about this 8 year engine warranty, not that I have seen many payouts :confused:
 

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Still seems odd though doesnt it, why put a £200 part on a car that needs a new engine? But if it was stalling then I guess that makes sense.
That's simple, they're only gonna replace the bottom end, not the whole engine. Even if you get a long block, it doesn't come with spark plugs or anything else on the engine.
 

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That's simple, they're only gonna replace the bottom end, not the whole engine. Even if you get a long block, it doesn't come with spark plugs or anything else on the engine.
Yes I know that but they didnt know at that time if the engine was going to be replaced, sjfc may well have said it was too expensive and the car would be scrapped, hence a waste of new DI, just seems like poor communication, or "lets get £200 off him while we can" :nono;
 

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no big end

Sounds like it is time to find a local specialist and a friendly machine shop. it is usualy more cost effective for a big dealer to fit big bits such as a complete engine or block assembly but it is far from rocket science to remove the engine and then the crank and have it reground with new bearing supplied and rehone the bores, why replace a perfectly good block, 4 pistons rods etc to repair a damaged crank?
 

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Chris 9-5 said:
Still seems odd though doesnt it, why put a £200 part on a car that needs a new engine? But if it was stalling then I guess that makes sense.

We have seen far to many of these failures it worth asking the dealer about this 8 year engine warranty, not that I have seen many payouts :confused:
well i have spent most of the day on the phone and the news aint to good the saab garage have quoted me at £2700 and the warranty people have said they will only pay £1000 towards it and that is after saab have dismantled the engine down and let the warranty person look at it and if they refuse to pay up the £1000 i have to pay saab on top of the £2700 the price of them dismantling the engine down and being on 1 of their ramps for 2 or 3 days;oops:

i have asked saab about the 8 year engine warranty and they have asked for me to send them my service book(which i done this afternoon on 1st class delivery)and the will c if saab gm will pay anything towards it.

i also went to a local independent garage in the town were i live and they are going to give me a price for the job i should here from them tomorrow but they have told me if i handed the car into the saab garage and it was running fine like it was when i handed it in to them .they think saab has damaged the car maybe while they were servicing it they started it without oil and done the damage.They also said no garage should have allwowed me to drive the car home(67 miles ) in the condition it is in .So if saab gm refuse to pay up i am going to get on at the saab garage about them being to blame.

i also went to c my solicitor the day to c were i stand and he told me in scotland if it went to court it is my word against the garage and it would not be worth my while going down that road
 

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Yes I know that but they didnt know at that time if the engine was going to be replaced, sjfc may well have said it was too expensive and the car would be scrapped, i cant afford to scrap the car as less than 8 months ago i paid 9 grand for the car and i aint got that type of money to throw around replacing the car that i have so i am going to have to pay to sort it unfortunately;oops:
 

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What a nightmare buddy :cry:

It doesnt all ad up does it, letting you make the journey home for example, as for them breaking it, well its possible but as you say your word against theirs. Mine is in for some work at the moment and has needed over £400 of unexpected parts, so its not an exact science.

It would be worth looking for a second hand low mileage engine and getting your independant to quote on fitting, I think mine came to about £1800-£2000 two years ago :cry:

I wasnt suggesting you should scrap it, just trying to point out that they seemed strange in fiutting a part to a car in need of a new engine.

Please keep us updated as to how you get on!
 
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