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As far as performance with 92 and earlier saab turbos which car the 9000 or 900 does better in the corners and acceleration? I tried to search but came up with nothing.

I used to own a 900SE v6 and thought it handled like crap. Would the older turbos handle better? Thanks
 

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Yes those did handle like crap. :roll: I think the older 900s handle much better than 94-98 900s. I say this because I had the opertunity to drive a friends 94 900 turbo and it did not feel any where as good as my C900 spg. However I think the 9000 is much better than both of them. I own a 900 spg and a 9000 aero and the aero BLOWS the spg away in the handling and ride. Sorry your first saab was the V6 900 probably the worst saab ever :wink: . It had to much weight over the front axel and they put a soft suspension on it.
 

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i agree the 9000 is probably the best car saab ever built,i have 9000 carlsson (i think they are called SPG in the US)and a 9-3 se turbo this is a fine car but tends to be a bit unnerving in high speed corners, the carlsson on the other hand is comfy well mannered and prodictadle(corner as if is running on tracks) but you do need to make sure the front wish bone bushes are in good condition, if they aren't then the car will not even drive in a straight line

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Unfortunately we had no 9000 Carlssons here in the states, and no such thing as a 9000 SPG (SPG was 900 only). The Carlsson kit, or Airflow kit as it is more commonly known in the US, was a dealer option from I'm guessing 88-92, then with the CS body style came th aero. The kits are very hard to find and I've been looking all over for one for my 92. Oh well, I will just have to keep looking.

That was all off topic, but as far as the ride of the 9000's, I love mine. I just installed the struts and springs from a 97 9000 Aero in my 92 and it feels great, much better than the stock ride. Only probably 15-20mm lower, but perfect ride height in my opinion so the car can still be driven in all conditions. I also have poly motor mounts and poly suspension bushes. The car does have some significant roll I would like to eliminate (prolly cause it needs new rear shocks) but I still have a very tough time breaking the tires loose in hard turning.
 

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i have a 9000cs (was lpt)...stock suspension...i could get the tires on the inside of a sharp turn loose with almost no trouble and that was only on 5psi boost...i proceeded to add swedish dynamics red series springs (1.5 inch drop) and poly rear sway bar bushings...and upgraded ecu...now i can hold the ground in the same corners at 15 psi boost...it was an amazing upgrade...overall with a litlle work the suspensions can be some of the best ive ever felt
 

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I like the 9K handling, it isn't as good as a sorted T16 on the twistys, but it's great for a big car and the ride is much better.

BTW I'm sure I've seen a 9000 SPG in the states...
 

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yeah I know, I started a thread in both forums, I figured people would say their car, this way I get both sides lol. Anyways thanks for all your opinions. I will test drive each soon and see how it goes.
 

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I agree, my 93 9000CS handles far better than my cousin's 94 900 V6. Now that I think about it my Accord handled better than that 900. Had it not been for the 9000 I wouldn't be a Saab owner.
 

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A mildly tuned 9000 will blow the doors off of a moderately tuned 900 as long as they are going in a straight line. Getting serious power out of a 9000 is not very hard or expensive. The 91-92 9000's with the close ratio gearbox can be even faster than an aero in 1st and 2nd gear. Before any 900 owners get mad I'll throw in my counterpoint: in the corners, the 900 is much easier to drive, handles better, and more fun to throw around. The 9000 handles well, but once it starts sliding, it is hard to recover.

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9000 SPG in the states??? If there is such a thing then what is it? I want some pics and info. Again, I know the airflow kit, or carlsson kit, or talladega kit, or whatever you want to call it was available from the dealer, so some 9000's have this kit, maybe these are what you're thinking of. But the kit came as just an option, you could get it on any model, from a base model 9000 upto the turbo model. I still am pretty sure there was no 9000 SPG in the states. There was the griffen in 92, but that was a CD and really only had wheels and interior upgrades (and came auto only :( ) oh well. If I'm wrong then please enlighten me, but 9000 SPG? I think not.
 

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saabluster said:
Sorry your first saab was the V6 900 probably the worst saab ever :wink: .
You'll have to tell my V6 this, it seems to drive rather well :cheesy: it has no idea that it represents the worst Saab ever and frequently must therefore upset many owners of the best Saab ever [whatever that is] 8) .
 

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ragtopcav said:
saabluster said:
Sorry your first saab was the V6 900 probably the worst saab ever :wink: .
You'll have to tell my V6 this, it seems to drive rather well :cheesy: it has no idea that it represents the worst Saab ever and frequently must therefore upset many owners of the best Saab ever [whatever that is] 8) .
Excluding present company of course :cheesy:
 

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The V^ was a nice car with a very poor engine. SAAB developed its kinky vehicle into a fast road car, fast point to point in which the 2.3 Carlsson excelled...only 329 1991 9000 Carlssons were made, far les than the previous year's 2.0L. I have owned aero as well as Anniversary and all are nice cars and great performers on road and in fuel. The Aero 9000 was a nice car, mine was black. Sold into ACT for a pittance when the fame was desecrated by Chinese ownership after GM failed to succeed the prices free-fell...however the 9000 is still the pick of the bunch. The 9-5 once the suspension is properly seated is a very fast car and handles well...especially post 1994. I am not in agreement with hotting the cars but believe concentrating on tyres suspension and brakes is the most beneficial improvement and maintenance.

I recall being offered a truly immaculate, regularly SAAB specialist serviced 900 Aero in black for $1000.00 Australian. Mentally distressed I decided not to buy...one thing forgotten about the model is the steering breaking free, probably brought forward by drivers parking the car without wheels moving during the operation however...it should never have happened. Covered under SAAB warranty...which I could have forced a claim I later found...the repairs cost $1800.00. I couldn't justify it. I found 9000's cheap for parts until recently and now we have some disturbing reports about the Chinese replacement parts, particularly the coil unit. Second hand and new parts are becoming thin on the round. The 9000 was a nuisance in the need to pull the gearbox to change the clutch cylinder...has a difficult braking abs but perhaps the idea is to fix everything when a part wears out in a system.

I recently got onto my Carlsson and found two people who could not be trusted...the mechanics who wee not honest about the airflow meter and returned the car with new 'issues' and the exhaust specialist who, told to keep my old Cat ..valuable for the platinum...made ridiculous excuses as to why after several reminders he 'threw it away'...nonsense...he made money from it and charged higher for the new 100 cell system than quoted.. SAB;s should go to people with the runs on the board..Unfortunately a nearby (Gold coast) SAAB 'specialist' had a Chinese worker reading the paper when I arrived and who didn't make any welcome....no way! If you are so casual with a client...how casual are you with my car......so I went to a place claiming it could be 'Trusted'. Not again. I had the brakes completely rebuilt by a true specialist, have recently changed the fuel pump for a complete 9-5 (Walbro unit) as the original pump failed. I have to replace the reinforcing cable of the passenger seat as the seat has a twist...which I learned is not a broken frame.

Some years ago, say 1000kMs ago I had all engine mounts replaced, Bilstein spots and complete overhaul...I also replaced the master cylinder...bit of a pain. I don't agree with using poly bushes.

The clutch kit and slave cylinder was renewed on my return to GC from Sydney. I use only Heasmans for suspension work. I have stripped the interior to have a new headlining...I probably should have left that to the blokes who will charge me no less for not having to do it. The local cost is $250...against a much more expensive DIY lining kit from UK. I'm qualified to do Auto-air/Auto-elec amonst other engineering qualifications but that can wait as I'll replace all O-rings and give it a new start...hopefully the compressor isn't leaking....heater works ok...I have already done them on my beautiful Anniversary...which I may sell soon. It's an auto but ran like a dream when I drove to Sydney to enrol at Uni and has been kept operating periodically since then. It belonged to some rich person in the hoi polio of Sydney Yacht squadron and well looked-after.

My only complaint about the SAAB is the front wheel drive....which is why BMW is my favourite car...Cars should drive from the rear. FWD's suffer problems when bushes wear...as noted elsewhere. Driving a turbo R5 for the first time when I put the boot into it, it changed lanes...to the other side of the road. Hmmmm!. They are a brilliant road car and a monster in the mid-engine twin turbo model. To repeat myself, tyres, suspension and brakes are the focal point for me...keeping me safe and holding best resale value. The Carlsson was just 'pre-trionic' thus not a remapping contender however I don't need to go faster than my Carlsson can go...In its trim it is the point to point champion over aero whereas Aero is a fabulous car for executive use...prestigious, head turning even today....The Carlsson is a raw or 'more raw' SAAB with great suspension and different gearing from the Aero. The Bilsteins push that up a notch and beter than anything buying the best tyres you can afford is the best thing you can do for handlng and safety. The better the tyre the more redundant are sway bars.. SAAB steering position is as good as it gets.

As I close I thought to mention one odd-ball 9000 problem. To my alarm on darkening highway I found my engine stopped as soon as I turned-on the headlights. I sought the problem but it was a real head-scratcher.I took t to SAAB who put it on the computer.and with a SAAB Techo......couldn't find the fault but cost me $150.00 . Tired of driving on parking lights for a month or so I pulled the headlight switch apart...felt something was not right but couldn't quite "get it".even with continuity tests...I couldn't bring up the fault wiring around the switch. Without the switch in place no problem. Switches were about $50.00 s/h but eventually I replaced it...no problems!...all solved...so if it ever happens to you, now you know. It's a design flaw...should never happen...like fusing ignition supply , which was a no-no yet Gemini did it!...
Hopefully that's interesting...
 
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