I always said my PPC'd 2.0T feels like it SHOULD have felt from the factory.finklejag said:It looks like the Saturn Sky Redline will get the 2.0T in it.
So why couldn't Saab up the horsepower on the Aero to this? I much rather have a 253hp 2.0T over the the 250hp 2.8T.
Howdoes the Litigious nature of the US have any significance with Saab and their low HP? Absolutely none.db93a said:I always said my PPC'd 2.0T feels like it SHOULD have felt from the factory.
I suspect it's the litigious nature of the US market, plus releasing a 210hp version initially was the safe (re: maintenance/warranty) thing to do. I bet had the Holden engine not entered the frame, they'd be releasing higher power versions of the 2.0T as the 93SS evolves.
I think the litigious nature of the US has bearing on most European manufacturers' engine choices for this market. What marque sold in the US doesn't have better engine choices for the European market or more powerful iterations of the same engines offered here ? I'm not saying it is the MAIN reason for Saab selling a 210hp 2.0T here but I think it has some bearing on their choice.Irishfred said:Howdoes the Litigious nature of the US have any significance with Saab and their low HP? Absolutely none.
What does have bearing is the failure of the other parts, namely transmission to hold up it's end of the bargain. The 6-speed (outsourced) was a grinding failure and has been scrapped. The shifting problems of the auto was another issue that did not help. Entering the market with the 9-3 had seen too many problems and they were trying to establish quality rating before tinkering with the engine. They have always done this. If the car had not been so error prone, then we would be seeing that engine right about now.
We have enough buy backs as it is, and enough warranty claims without the 250hp "viggen" model that never surfaced.
That is a valid point, but if this 6speed transmission wasn't engineered to handle 247hp and 286 pound feet that my PPC'd 2.0T generates, then this will be my last Saab. It was grinding long before I did any tuning, it was grinding from 1st to second the day I drove the car home. I waited almost a year intentionally before purchasing the PPC unit,to see that the engine was sound and transmission likewise aside from the griding (minor adjustments is all the dealer says they can do. It's time to talk to my district service rep).hz536n said:Don't know what your Transmission isssues were, but a vehicle's Powertrain needs to be considered as a system. Changing the Engine's horsepower and torque can have unexpected consequences if it takes the transmission out of its design limits.
Have to agree, I too am a powertrain engineer with experience of automotive and off highway trucks. Drivetrains are designed to meet specific power (and often more importantly torque) specifications. Exceeding these parameters tends to reduce drastically the B10 life of the system.hz536n said:Don't know what your Transmission isssues were, but a vehicle's Powertrain needs to be considered as a system. Changing the Engine's horsepower and torque can have unexpected consequences if it takes the transmission out of its design limits.
Might the cost of the Hirsch upgrade be in some way linked to the cost of the warranty that that they have to underwrite?finklejag said:If the Hirsch 2.0T output is 252hp. Then the powertrain can handle it. Saab has two factory engineers down at Hirsch.