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Default Swedish magazine road test - against XC90

The major Swedish car magazine Teknikens Varld tests the Saab 9-7X 5.3 against Volvo XC90 V8 in its latest issue.

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Originally Posted by Mikael Stjerna, Teknikens Varld
So, if I have to chose between the two, which one would I chose? Well, it depends. If I only had 369 000 kronor to spend the choice is easy. It's going to have to be the Saab 9-7X. The Volvo XC90 is to expensive. With 610 900 kronor in my wallet? No doubt. I'll take the Saab 9-7X for 369 000 kronor. I can have a lot of fun with the 240 000 kronor I'll save.
Note: USD 1 = about Kronor 7. 369 000 kronor is the price of the Saab 9-7X 5.3 in Sweden. 610 900 is the price of the XC90.

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This suprises me too as I thought Volvo's SUV could smack the Saab since the Saab is only a trailblazer X10 and the Volvo is basically pure. But I too have read numerous articles where the Saab came out on top.
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This suprises me too as I thought Volvo's SUV could smack the Saab since the Saab is only a trailblazer X10 and the Volvo is basically pure. But I too have read numerous articles where the Saab came out on top.
Well the Volvo did actually come out on top. But it just wasn't worth the extra money.
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I am sorry but the Saab 9-7x is just a Chevrolet through and through- I do not think anything about it can pass as european. The Volvo is still at its roots, it is not a Ford Explorer on steriods.
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I am sorry but the Saab 9-7x is just a Chevrolet through and through- I do not think anything about it can pass as european. The Volvo is still at its roots, it is not a Ford Explorer on steriods.
Thanks for your input. More insights from your test drive?
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You guys are really touchy ive noticed! It is just my opinion, thats all.
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Not touchy, but very f-ing tired of people *****ing about an SUV they haven't even driven.9-7x is Saabs no 2 seller in the US at the moment. Without it and the Opel/Vauxhall-based 9-3 and 9-5 we would all still be driving crappy 900s from the 90s. Oh, on second thought, I wouldn't, I would be driving a new car from a different brand.
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i did get to drive the XC90 V8, as well as much of the competition, and they are right...most, not all, but most other competitors do feel better, or drive better, or get better mileage, but in reality when it came down to $$ time, it was the 'best bang for buck'...so I bought the Saab and am happy with it...for the amount of money I saved on it, I could buy a shiznit car to go in the driveway (didn't but i could)
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Not touchy, but very f-ing tired of people *****ing about an SUV they haven't even driven.9-7x is Saabs no 2 seller in the US at the moment. Without it and the Opel/Vauxhall-based 9-3 and 9-5 we would all still be driving crappy 900s from the 90s. Oh, on second thought, I wouldn't, I would be driving a new car from a different brand.
Chill out people! We Saab lovers are suppose to be intelligent and thoughtful.
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Originally Posted by Maine
You guys are really touchy ive noticed! It is just my opinion, thats all.
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Chill out people! We Saab lovers are suppose to be intelligent and thoughtful.

If you guys would read through a few of the threads in this forum, you would see that we (Saab lovers) are getting tired of listening to people bad mouth a vehicle they have never driven.

Take it for a spin ... then post a real "opinion" based on something other than visual appearances.
How would you like it if some of us looked at you and said "well, he/she looks like so-and-so who is a real jerk, I guess they must be too".
It's called stereo-typing ... something that we should be well past in 2007.

Take the 9-7X for a drive, a real drive, not just a spin around the corner, and then report back with your thoughts.

As for the XC-90 comparision (I have driven one), yes, it is different, but without any hesitation, I would take the 9-7X in a heartbeat ... and with the prices in Canada, I would then buy a 9-3SC with the money I saved!


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I am sorry but the Saab 9-7x is just a Chevrolet through and through- I do not think anything about it can pass as european. The Volvo is still at its roots, it is not a Ford Explorer on steriods.
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This suprises me too as I thought Volvo's SUV could smack the Saab since the Saab is only a trailblazer X10 and the Volvo is basically pure.
Obviously you haven't driven the 9-7X.


Because if you had, you would have noticed at least some of the changes:

Those mechanical changes they all keep talking about in those reviews are listed in full below:



To ensure that the new 9-7X meets those expectations, the following enhancements were made to the chassis and suspension systems of GM's award-winning midsize SUV architecture upon which the 9-7X is based: - Ride height lowered by one inch



- Additional braces between the cross members and frame
- Firmer springs and shocks
- Stiffened and quicker steering
- Larger front anti-roll bars
- Larger brakes
- Specific Dunlop tires
- Limited-slip differential
- Specifically, here is a list of characteristic Saab driving dynamics and the enhancements that were applied to the 9-7X to achieve the desired results:

Steering (for on-center feel, feedback and precision)

- Toe-in adjusted from 0.1 degrees to 0.2 degrees
- Caster increased an average of 0.5 degrees
- Revised steering valve characteristics including a larger torsion bar
- Steering gear mount stiffened from 6,000 N/mm to 9,000 N/mm
- Intermediate shaft isolator stiffened 33 percent
- New 18-inch Dunlop tires provide better stability and higher lateral stiffness
- Additional braces between cross member and frame at the front

Steering (for response and linearity)

- Steering gear ratio lowered to 18.5:1 from 20.3:1
- Steering gear mount stiffened from 6,000 N/mm to 9,000 N/mm
- New 18-inch Dunlop tires provide better stability and higher lateral stiffness
- Additional braces between cross member and frame at the front
- Front anti-roll bar diameter increased to 36 mm from 34 mm
- Revised shock absorber settings for improved body control (average 70 percent more damping at the front and 20 percent more damping at the rear in the V-8 and 40 percent at the front and 10 percent at the rear in the L-6)
- Added front lower control arm bushing travel limiter

Handling (for stability)

- Toe-in adjusted from 0.1 degrees to 0.2 degrees
- Caster adjusted from 3.5 degrees to 4.0 degrees
- Steering gear mount stiffened from 6,000 N/mm to 9,000 N/mm
- New 18-inch Dunlop tires provide better stability and higher lateral stiffness
- Standard limited-slip differential

Handling (for linearity and predictability)

- Revised shock absorber settings for improved body control (average 70 percent more damping at the front and 20 percent more damping at the rear in the V-8 and 40 percent at the front and 10 percent at the rear in the L-6)
- New 18-inch Dunlop tires provide better stability and higher lateral stiffness
- Front anti-roll bar diameter increased to 36 mm from 34 mm
- Rear suspension upper link bushing stiffened from 4,600 N/mm to 7,000 N/mm
- Rear suspension lower link bushings stiffened from 3,200 N/mm to 4,600 N/mm

Emergency handling

- Standard StabiliTrak
- New 18-inch Dunlop tires provide better stability and higher lateral stiffness
- Revised shock absorber settings for improved body control (average 70 percent more damping at the front and 20 percent more damping at the rear in the V-8 and 40 percent at the front and 10 percent at the rear in the L-6)
- Standard air spring rear leveling
- Standard limited-slip differential
- Front anti-roll bar diameter increased to 36 mm from 34 mm
- Ride height lowered by 25 mm (approximately one inch)

Ride comfort (for body motion and control)

- Front and rear springs stiffened by 15 percent
- Revised shock absorber settings for improved body control (average 70 percent more damping at the front and 20 percent more damping at the rear in the V-8 and 40 percent at the front and 10 percent at the rear in the L-6)
- Front anti-roll bar diameter increased to 36 mm from 34 mm
- Standard air spring rear leveling
- Ride height lowered by 25 mm (approximately one inch)
- Front suspension upper shock mount is stiffer by 33 percent

Brakes (improved brake performance, response time, pedal feel and travel)

- Front caliper material changed from aluminum to stiffer cast iron
- Piston diameter increased to 48 mm from 45 mm
- Brake booster diameter reduced to 240 mm from 260 mm
- Master cylinder diameter increased to 27 mm from 25.4 mm
- Brake pedal ratio reduced to 3.6:1 from 3.8:1


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Originally Posted by snowboardin58
But I too have read numerous articles where the Saab came out on top.
And those changes above are why ... all the money in the world would not convince someone to choose a Trailblazer or Envoy over an XC-90!

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I don't find it surprising that Saab 9-7x won. I have never driven a Saab 9-7x but I have been driving a Chevy Trailblazer during the winter season for 4 years and honestly, I think its pretty good car. Except for the plastic-ish trim and fuel consumption, I like everything about it. Smooth and quiet ride, enough power on the highway, and "I am bigger than you" size. I would not trade it for other SUVs out there (in that price range) . I can only imagine how better 9-7x is.
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Doesnt the Saab use the GM 5.3L V8 while the trailblazer uses that inline 6?
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You can actually get it with either.
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