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zach27
11th February 2015, 12:22 AM
Saab 93 2010 2.0T Sedan

Hi, I've been making upgrades for looks ever since i bought my Saab last year, lowering springs, tint, fog lights, blacked it out, but now I'm starting to get interested in increasing performance.

My questions are:

What are the pros and cons of tuning my car?

What should i know about tuning it?

What exactly is "tuning"?

Should i tune mine?

Opinions? ;ol;

TunnanXWD
11th February 2015, 05:30 AM
A base tune without changing hard goods will net you about 260 horsepower. If you drive in a "spiriited" fashion (exclude the nit-wits), you probably won't be putting any real stress on the engine or other parts; of course if you are driving it like a fool, you will pay.

I got slightly better fuel mileage (but I have a different engine).

Essentially, and I'll stand corrected, everything the engine does is what is allowed by the program in the ECU, a tune takes the Saab factory program and tosses it the can and "re-maps" the parameters of the computer for things like shift points and power via allowable boost.

A good example of this is the difference between a 2007 2.8 engine and the Turbo X or any later Aeros of 2008. The former is 255 horsepower and X/Aero's are 280 horses. There is nothing mechanically different and if you get a Vtune on either the 2007 or 08' Aero X, you will net (a nominal) 320 horses and you haven't changed a single piece of hardware. Later stage tunes require better injectors, exhaust and finally a larger or modified turbo.

Hope that helps. The best thing you can do is to call the tuners, I've talked to a few and each one was more than willing to spend the time and help you think out the progression for your car.

theSandySaab
11th February 2015, 07:32 AM
An untuned Saab is a bit like not using all gears that came with your car...
I'd shop around a bit and read here on the forum, before deciding, but clearly, the potential of any modern Saab engine is great. From 210 to 260 hp and increased torque, combined with a slightly lower fuel consumption (if not changing driving habits :p) with no other hardware upgrades is a no-brainer in my world. You get a "new" car that is much more fun to drive. JZW, BCB and Vtuner are tuners used by members here.

Just do it! ;ol;

You wont regret it, I'm sure....

TunnanXWD
11th February 2015, 08:24 AM
I had my car done by Brian of Vtuner and it's something I have never regretted and was on the verge of selling the car.

I should have mentioned that Vtuner and one or two others like JZW offer a hand held device that allows you to tune the car. It's a plug in thing that looks (from the pics I've seen), like a TV remote. The benefit is that you can load the tune and then if you want, revert back to stock tune .. let's say you were going through MV inspection (my car passed with the tune though).

Other tunes require you to send them the ECU or they can send you one but you pay a core charge.

As for tuning bargains, we get the most bang for the buck. To get a 40 to 50 horse gain on my Corvette would be close to $1,500, for my old Volvo they wanted almost $1,000 for like 18 horsepower; we get 40 to 50 in a base tune from around $400 to $600. I had the tuner just load the tune and saved money but for me there is no default back to stock unless I pay for the hand held device.

Insane93
11th February 2015, 09:06 AM
reading this makes me want my tune now!! I don't want to load it up though until winter breaks!! this is the worst..

Capriman86
11th February 2015, 09:31 AM
I had my car done by Brian of Vtuner and it's something I have never regretted and was on the verge of selling the car.

I should have mentioned that Vtuner and one or two others like JZW offer a hand held device that allows you to tune the car. It's a plug in thing that looks (from the pics I've seen), like a TV remote. The benefit is that you can load the tune and then if you want, revert back to stock tune .. let's say you were going through MV inspection (my car passed with the tune though).

Other tunes require you to send them the ECU or they can send you one but you pay a core charge.

As for tuning bargains, we get the most bang for the buck. To get a 40 to 50 horse gain on my Corvette would be close to $1,500, for my old Volvo they wanted almost $1,000 for like 18 horsepower; we get 40 to 50 in a base tune from around $400 to $600. I had the tuner just load the tune and saved money but for me there is no default back to stock unless I pay for the hand held device.


So true!!! Once you have a tune, you won't go back......I opt'd for the BCB and mailed my ECU in to save the coin knowing I wouldn't be removing the tune once it was on my car. Best bang for the buck and puts a smile on your face when you feel the difference.

Diggs
11th February 2015, 10:04 AM
There are no cons.

zach27
11th February 2015, 10:21 AM
So lets say i bought a plug and play Vtune for my saab, it wont make the engine wear out faster? Or cause the mpg to go from ~30mpgs to like 20? Would it add to much boost for my engine to handle? I have 53k miles, is it even worth tuning, or does it already have to many miles?

TunnanXWD
11th February 2015, 10:22 AM
It is much less likely, almost impossible now that Saab is gone, but if you were trading the car on a new car and the dealer ran a scan like a Tech II and detected a tune they might not buy the car from you.

I ended up with a super deal for my (now sold), 01' Corvette and got a complete Borla dual exhaust and "H" pipe installed for like $150 because the original owner was over at the Chevy dealer to buy another new Corvette. The mech was putting on his old (he saved the original), exhaust and the fellow was just happy to be rid of it and recovered the work to put his back together.

I was told that most new car dealers will not take a modified car in as a trade in. I doubt that the Audi or Chevy dealer could detect a base level tune on a traded Saab now.

Capriman86
11th February 2015, 11:10 AM
So lets say i bought a plug and play Vtune for my saab, it wont make the engine wear out faster? Or cause the mpg to go from ~30mpgs to like 20? Would it add to much boost for my engine to handle? I have 53k miles, is it even worth tuning, or does it already have to many miles?

If you want some real world MPG numbers, take a look at my fuelly CLICK HERE (http://www.fuelly.com/car/saab/9-3/2007/Givemebreak/220836)
This is with my Brew City Boost Tune

I have slacked off on logging the past few months but it will show you how my car was over the summer and during some winter months. Anytime I was down on the lower 20's it was my own fault for driving ummmm, say, spirited all week? LOL

When I took a ride down to Atlantic City all highway over the summer, I got 32.4 mpg, so, you won't have to worry about losing MPG, I don't have much to compare before the tune unfortunately but from what I recall, I saw a small increase.

I have verified my SID Fuel Average is reading the same as the real world fill up and I am always within 2 tenths +/-, its real accurate in my car.

Diggs
11th February 2015, 11:59 AM
No, the engine won't wear out faster. The car can easily take the extra power. There is ZERO downside, not even mileage unless you flog it. Ok, I guess there is one. It costs money.

iamamused
11th February 2015, 12:11 PM
There are no cons.

Unless you own a manual car?

Capriman86
11th February 2015, 12:39 PM
There are no cons.

Tires.......I chewed through a set LOL, but that was my own fault ;oops:

96mn12
11th February 2015, 12:43 PM
If you want some real world MPG numbers, take a look at my fuelly CLICK HERE (http://www.fuelly.com/car/saab/9-3/2007/Givemebreak/220836)
This is with my Brew City Boost Tune


Interesting, your numbers are 99% close to mine, with BSR 3

zach27
11th February 2015, 01:25 PM
Awesome, great information guys! Thanks for the gas milage info too! Really excited. How hard are one of the plug and play Vtuners to work? Easy enough for a 20 year old with better than average understanding on cars?

Capriman86
11th February 2015, 02:58 PM
Awesome, great information guys! Thanks for the gas milage info too! Really excited. How hard are one of the plug and play Vtuners to work? Easy enough for a 20 year old with better than average understanding on cars?

Never used one but from what I have seen, super simple.

Also with my MPG, you could definitely achieve a higher avg then mine, I do drive a little more aggressively as I enjoy the BOOST. If you drive the car like a normal car all the time, I would guess you could get another 2-3+mpg or more on avg.

SaabKen
11th February 2015, 03:02 PM
I do drive a little more aggressively as I enjoy the BOOST

Way to start your day ..... hi-pro .... chocolate ! :cool:

http://i5.walmartimages.com/dfw/dce07b8c-618c/k2-_40d86fec-cb85-40a7-9364-7dbaf0823707.v1.jpg

Diggs
11th February 2015, 03:42 PM
Unless you own a manual car?

for some, yeah.

zach27
11th February 2015, 04:18 PM
There are no cons.

Unless you own a manual car?

Mine is a 6 speed manual, whats wrong with tuning a manual? Or what are the risks rather?

iamamused
11th February 2015, 04:40 PM
Mine is a 6 speed manual, whats wrong with tuning a manual? Or what are the risks rather?

I'm not speaking from personal experience here... just research I did when I was looking into it.

Some folks had issues with clutch slippage when moving to a tune.

But its hard to tell, certainly clutch age and driving styles are a factor. Also how aggressive the tune as well. There are a few threads of "XXX Tune at my clutch" on the site. The value proposition of a few hundred bucks for a large HP bump decreases when you throw the cost of a new clutch into the mix. Add to the fact that I actually really like the Dual Mass Fly wheel setup of this car and wouldn't want to deal with a heavy aftermarket unit to handle the extra power at the expense of drivablility.

Also I can't tell if its just a vocal minority or just a matter of time with accelerated clutch wear and tuning. I mean clutches are a wear item, so there's that. I did attempt to start a thread for those who have tuned manuals to post with how many miles they've put on it. I did get some limited feedback.

In the end, for me, I held off on tuning till I do more research. That and the shear number of tuners (from free backyard tunes to $700+ setups) was headspinning as well.

If / When I tune I'll reach out to some of the bigger names (JZW, VTuner, etc) for recommendations. JZW even has a mild Stage 1 for supposedly longer clutch life.

Also when you tune, you'll likely want to change the plugs - most tuners have a recommendation for different plugs.

Hope this helps.

Saabohème
11th February 2015, 05:19 PM
I have the JZW aggressive stage 1 (265hp; 280 lbs-ft tq) on the stock original clutch. Been running it now almost 2 years. I had a little occasional slip at first in 6th gear, (first winter) but nothing since. I just had to remember not to try to accelerate aggressively in top gear without a downshift first. Car/clutch has just over 70,000 miles on the clock.

zach27
11th February 2015, 07:05 PM
I have the JZW aggressive stage 1 (265hp; 280 lbs-ft tq) on the stock original clutch. Been running it now almost 2 years. I had a little occasional slip at first in 6th gear, (first winter) but nothing since. I just had to remember not to try to accelerate aggressively in top gear without a downshift first. Car/clutch has just over 70,000 miles on the clock.

So when you got the tune done, did you bring it to somewhere that can tune it? Or did you buy the computer thing that you plug into your ECU?

Saabohème
11th February 2015, 08:28 PM
Did the hand held PPC tuner. Wanted the option of being able to convert to stock whenever needed. Loving it.

zach27
11th February 2015, 09:32 PM
Did the hand held PPC tuner. Wanted the option of being able to convert to stock whenever needed. Loving it.

How much did that cost you?! I would love a hand held one for that same reason

Diggs
11th February 2015, 09:46 PM
How much did that cost you?! I would love a hand held one for that same reason

http://www.jzwtuning.com/product/t8-175-bhp-models-small-t-2/

http://vtunersaabs.com/wordpress/?cat=4

http://www.brewcityboost.com/category_s/1869.htm

qwikredline
11th February 2015, 10:46 PM
260 in a 2.0 is roughly what they run oem stock in an LNF /LDK 2.0 motor or similar these days. No real risk there, but more than that? I am sure there is.

folks on here are a good source for tuner recommendations.

SaabKen
11th February 2015, 11:50 PM
260 in a 2.0 is roughly what they run oem stock in an LNF /LDK 2.0 motor or similar these days. No real risk there, but more than that? I am sure there is.

folks on here are a good source for tuner recommendations.

Zach27, see: https://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248387

zach27
12th February 2015, 12:15 AM
Thanks for all the help guys! It looks like most are going with the jzw hand held! Not as much money as i expected!!

georgia_saab_owner
19th February 2015, 12:08 PM
I've also have the 2.0T in a 2008 9.3 Convertible (Auto). I've seen the ads for the Hirsch performance upgrade (software only) at a reasonable price. Specs says it goes from 210 HP to 240 HP.

iamamused
19th February 2015, 12:28 PM
I've also have the 2.0T in a 2008 9.3 Convertible (Auto). I've seen the ads for the Hirsch performance upgrade (software only) at a reasonable price. Specs says it goes from 210 HP to 240 HP.

Where have you seen Hirsch upgrades offered?

TunnanXWD
19th February 2015, 12:36 PM
I have never seen an ad for Hirsch except on the SaabsUnited forum, that said yes there are a few US former Saab Dealers who still have the capacity to download a tune. I have talked with one who hasn't done a tune since the owners meet in Parsippay and know another who has the maching somewhere in the warehouse.

Are they a bargain? Hell no. Over $1,000 for the tune and then and another hour shop time. That is darned near double the best tunes from Vtuner or JZW.

The edge and price was hedged against the warranty but no warranty and no price drop .... they lost it.

georgia_saab_owner
19th February 2015, 12:46 PM
I've seen the ad on the Saab Parts USA site. Ad says "$675" but with a 50% discount for 2008 or older. I called Saab NA customer service who put me in touch with a local service shop (not dealer). He said he had the tool and could do the upgrade for $275.

What do you think?

Diggs
19th February 2015, 02:59 PM
Trionic 8 changed in 2008 making it harder to tune than 2007 and older. I don't know why their cutoff is 2008 and older....

$275 is a good deal if they can do it. Go for it.

Swededemon
19th February 2015, 04:35 PM
I've seen the ad on the Saab Parts USA site. Ad says "$675" but with a 50% discount for 2008 or older. I called Saab NA customer service who put me in touch with a local service shop (not dealer). He said he had the tool and could do the upgrade for $275.

What do you think?


I am always leary of anyone who rides the coat tails of a legitimate name. If it was me, I would dyno my car before and after and then compare it to their numbers minus drivetrain loss.

qwikredline
19th February 2015, 04:43 PM
I am always leary of anyone who rides the coat tails of a legitimate name. If it was me, I would dyno my car before and after and then compare it to their numbers minus drivetrain loss.

^^^this. In my opinion tunes should be done on a dyno with a wide band installed ( or pull the signal off the ac circuit switch) then verified and touched up for street driveability.

georgia_saab_owner
19th February 2015, 06:10 PM
I'm right there with you. Ive not dealt with this guy....wonder if it falls into the "too good to be true" category.

rabbit
21st February 2015, 10:24 AM
My vote is for BCB of course :)

The tune will really wake that car up and provide a much more enjoyable driving experience.

Also, the 2008+ t8 saabs do require a bit more effort to tune...essentially the maps are located in different locations and the airmass viewer doesn't work properly, t8suite cannot deal with that well. Your tuner needs to manually locate and identify them, there's a couple thousand in total. But once you've got a knack for it is simple. If your tuner can't do 2008+, then you may want to find another tuner. It's somewhat easier to find the maps using Winols than t8suite too.

swedespeed7
21st February 2015, 11:57 AM
BCB ;ol;

http://www.brewcityboost.com/

georgia_saab_owner
21st February 2015, 08:23 PM
Thank you for the all the valuable input. I'll take a look at the options before I make a decision.

Just as an fyi...

this is my 2nd Saab. First was a 1998 900SE Convertible. Kind of stumbled across it and LOVED it from day 1. Made the unfortunate mistake, after a few years, of trading for a BMW 330ci convertible. Missed my Saab every day that passed. The day I drove my beamer off the lot and see my Saab sitting there my heart sank. It was like I had left an old friend behind.

In January, 2011 I found my 2008 9.3 at a dealership where it had NEVER been sold. It was titled to the dealer 8 months prior. Got it for exactly 1/2 sticker price.

I've learned my lesson....this is my car as long as I can get parts and keep her going. There is no car like a Saab.

CarSnaab
23rd February 2015, 02:35 AM
My questions are:

What are the pros and cons of tuning my car?

What should i know about tuning it?

What exactly is "tuning"?

Should i tune mine?

Opinions? ;ol;

I just want to temper the enthusiasm just a bit for the OP's specific case. I got my 6 spd 2010 tuned by one of the major 4 commonly talked about tuners on this site. It took some time according to the tuner because of the added difficulties with the newer Trionic system on the 2008+ models.

It wasn't very clear how much experience the tuner had with these newer models. The first attempt resulted in a non-driveable tune. The second standard tune attempt was much better but not that noticeably different from stock. An aggressive tune was made that really transformed the car with noticeably improved throttle response. After a few weeks of enjoying it, I mashed the throttle getting onto the freeway and heard a flurry of pinging. After trying another modified tune and copper plugs, the pinging is mild just when giving it too much throttle at low RPMs (~2000). I guess I should downshift, but the wide torque band easily makes you lazy. I can't figure out whether it's the tune or my coil packs going bad. It hasn't gotten any worse in the past year.

If you drive the car gently, you can get really good mileage. Power isn't free. If you dive into the boost and get big V6 power, you'll get big V6 economy. So overall, I haven't noticed a change in fuel economy in either direction.

I'm happy that I flashed the tune. It makes the car much more drivable, but it's still not a car you'd want to take on city streets with steep hills. I just have a bit of a concern in the back of my mind that the few cases of mild pinging aren't great for the car.

qwikredline
23rd February 2015, 07:11 AM
Your motor will blow up. The Pistons rings lands will no doubt collapse due to such obvious detonation . Please get the tune fixed. Not good.

iamamused
23rd February 2015, 10:39 AM
Annnnd this is why I'm terribly confused about tuning...

There's everything from free (guys on the FB saab performance group offering free tunes) to $800+. From back yard tuners, to guys that started out as backyard tuners (and work form home), to huge existing tuning houses.

Then when you think you've got an idea on who to tune with - you read a review "oh my engine blew up" or "my clutch was slipping after 1,000 miles".

I have no fear of tuning. We have two other cars at the house (a Lincoln and a Nissan) that are both tuned. There were few tuning options (only 2-3 tuners supported those cars) and yet it was easier since they were the de-facto and well regarded. Resonably priced too and both were PPCs.

Seriously, I'd like to spend around $300 for a Stage 1, but for the fear of "blowing up my engine" or toasting my clutch - I'm inclined to save up more or just not bother.

rabbit
23rd February 2015, 12:24 PM
There's not a whole lot to worry about with just a stage 1 tune. If there is a failure it's easy to blame the tune which is what most jump to, when in reality the issue has always lied with the car itself. Always make sure your car is healthy and maintained properly before adding power. There's always going to be some unknown, and the old adage 'you gotta pay to play' is fitting there, there's always going to be some level of unknown risk.

This leads me to your other point, why would anyone want a free tune from someone who doesn't value their work enough to even ask a reasonable amount for their efforts? You don't see yourself picking things put of the trash, ya kno, because it's 'free' . And what if you need support, or things don't work as promised, or you have an engine failure....good luck to you then.....being a sole proprietor when tuning ain't smart at all, and so is working for free in this case.

SaabKen
23rd February 2015, 12:35 PM
Annnnd this is why I'm terribly confused about tuning...

There's everything from free (guys on the FB saab performance group offering free tunes) to $800+. From back yard tuners, to guys that started out as backyard tuners (and work form home), to huge existing tuning houses.

Then when you think you've got an idea on who to tune with - you read a review "oh my engine blew up" or "my clutch was slipping after 1,000 miles".

I have no fear of tuning. We have two other cars at the house (a Lincoln and a Nissan) that are both tuned. There were few tuning options (only 2-3 tuners supported those cars) and yet it was easier since they were the de-facto and well regarded. Resonably priced too and both were PPCs.

Seriously, I'd like to spend around $300 for a Stage 1, but for the fear of "blowing up my engine" or toasting my clutch - I'm inclined to save up more or just not bother.

Think of the repercussions of going with a shade tree, un-certified, un-incorporated tuner who offers a tune for free and then something bad or catastrophic happens to your car. Recourse ? Lawsuit ? Small claims ? A lot of hassles to say the least, just to save a few bucks at the beginning.

iamamused
23rd February 2015, 02:47 PM
Oh yeah guys, no way was I personally thinking about going the "free" route.

Just pointing out all the varied options. There's so many tuners it makes my head spin. Add to that, do I mail in or live tune somewhere??

Really wish I could find some longevity information. I've only seen one poster (and its actually Saaboheme) reply with having a tune for years on a stock clutch with no problems.

Both my current tuned cars have tens of thousands of miles on them and years of being tuned. So I know tuning can be and is safe - when done right. Its just trying to figure out who does it right outta all these options...

There's not a whole lot to worry about with just a stage 1 tune. If there is a failure it's easy to blame the tune which is what most jump to, when in reality the issue has always lied with the car itself. Always make sure your car is healthy and maintained properly before adding power. There's always going to be some unknown, and the old adage 'you gotta pay to play' is fitting there, there's always going to be some level of unknown risk.

This leads me to your other point, why would anyone want a free tune from someone who doesn't value their work enough to even ask a reasonable amount for their efforts? You don't see yourself picking things put of the trash, ya kno, because it's 'free' . And what if you need support, or things don't work as promised, or you have an engine failure....good luck to you then.....being a sole proprietor when tuning ain't smart at all, and so is working for free in this case.

Think of the repercussions of going with a shade tree, un-certified, un-incorporated tuner who offers a tune for free and then something bad or catastrophic happens to your car. Recourse ? Lawsuit ? Small claims ? A lot of hassles to say the least, just to save a few bucks at the beginning.

georgia_saab_owner
23rd February 2015, 09:50 PM
I'm pondering this idea for some risk mitigation. Salvage ECMs are pretty easy to find for $100-$200. Is there any reason I couldn't get a spare ECM, plug it in and run it for a while, then get it Stage 1 tuned? I could keep my original "as is".

Diggs
23rd February 2015, 11:11 PM
ECU part numbers changed from year to year, so I'd make sure it was a 2008 ECU or newer. You'd have to get it married to your car, they are not plug and play.

96mn12
24th February 2015, 03:25 PM
ECU part numbers changed from year to year, so I'd make sure it was a 2008 ECU or newer. You'd have to get it married to your car, they are not plug and play.

which is easy doable, get a 300-400 tech2 and do it yourself, in case OP doesnt know

rabbit
24th February 2015, 07:31 PM
For the most part 2003-2006 ecus are interchangeable and then 2007+ are also, you can't mix ecus between those year ranges. Of course you'll need it married and the proper software for your car in order for that to work.

I sell the t8 ecus for a $100, we can also tune it and make a clone of your original ecu if you want to keep it.

SaabKen
24th February 2015, 08:08 PM
For the most part 2003-2006 ecus are interchangeable and then 2007+ are also, you can't mix ecus between those year ranges. Of course you'll need it married and the proper software for your car in order for that to work.

I sell the t8 ecus for a $100, we can also tune it and make a clone of your original ecu if you want to keep it.

Casey, so for $100, I can get a second ECU (tuned at stock or whatever stages I have now .... 1 and 2 ?) And to marry it to my car, you'd just need my VIN (which you prolly have on file already) ?

BlakeBerry44
24th February 2015, 10:08 PM
#1 If you don't tune your saab, you are basically wasting a car (IMO).
#2 The perks of tuning your car are obvious = better performing.
#3 The cons is pretty much just dealing with the BS of installing parts and the other con would be buying performance parts.

zach27
24th February 2015, 11:01 PM
So on BCBs website they say a stage 2 tune for the t8 requires an aftermarket intake, (which i have) is there any risk of blowing anything up in my engine if i were to go stage 2?

SaabKen
24th February 2015, 11:13 PM
So on BCBs website they say a stage 2 tune for the t8 requires an aftermarket intake, (which i have) is there any risk of blowing anything up in my engine if i were to go stage 2?

http://www.brewcityboost.com/T8_ECU_Upgrade_p/t8-ecu-tune.htm

They say: "An intake modification is required for this Stage 2 ECU Upgrade. A qualifying modification could be an open intake or even a drop in free flow filter."

You don't have to get an open air intake. A drop-in filter like a K&N will do.

zach27
25th February 2015, 09:11 AM
So on BCBs website they say a stage 2 tune for the t8 requires an aftermarket intake, (which i have) is there any risk of blowing anything up in my engine if i were to go stage 2?

http://www.brewcityboost.com/T8_ECU_Upgrade_p/t8-ecu-tune.htm

They say: "An intake modification is required for this Stage 2 ECU Upgrade. A qualifying modification could be an open intake or even a drop in free flow filter."

You don't have to get an open air intake. A drop-in filter like a K&N will do.

I installed a cold air intake a while ago, will that work? Will i have to worry about blowing my engine up? I seen on other tuning sites that some stage 2s require an aftermarket exhaust.

Diggs
25th February 2015, 09:24 AM
I installed a cold air intake a while ago, will that work? Will i have to worry about blowing my engine up? I seen on other tuning sites that some stage 2s require an aftermarket exhaust.

Yes
No
No

SaabKen
25th February 2015, 12:13 PM
I installed a cold air intake a while ago, will that work? Will i have to worry about blowing my engine up?

Yes

http://www.thelocal.se/userdata/images/article/se/20570.jpg








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Capriman86
25th February 2015, 02:27 PM
Yes

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;)

It's just "THAT" intake wasn't cold enough, nothing to do with the tune ;)

swedespeed7
25th February 2015, 02:34 PM
Well, that's what happens when you use regular gas, folks!

:cheesy:

SaabKen
25th February 2015, 02:46 PM
Well, that's what happens when you use regular gas, folks!

:cheesy:

Or that xxxxxtra high octane stuff :o

http://www.all4humor.com/images/files/Gas%20Station.jpg

swedespeed7
25th February 2015, 03:26 PM
Or that xxxxxtra high octane stuff :o

http://www.all4humor.com/images/files/Gas%20Station.jpg

Hey look it's Tunnan!

SaabKen
25th February 2015, 03:49 PM
Hey look it's Tunnan!


Ouch !

From his tank, to yours :o

Homemade special additives to clean his lines and injectors. :lol: