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A/C Compressor Engagement Band-Aid or "fix"

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#1 ·
I'm sure I'm not the only one with a chronic problem of the ECU disengaging the relay and turning the air conditioning off. Here's a band-aid technique I rigged up on my car (04 Aero) that keeps the a/c compressor engaged when the engine is running.

Do understand that the compressor does not ever cycle when rigged up this way. It is constantly engaged when the engine is running. It does disengage as soon as the engine is shut off.

This does not fix the underlying problem with whatever is causing the ECU to drop the grounding signal to the a/c compressor relay.

But, if you want or need air conditioning, this does indeed "get er done".

You need about 10" of fine wire. The current load is tiny, so it doesn't need much capacity. You also want it thin so it fits into the blade sockets of the relays. In my case, I used very fine stainless steel wire. Copper would work better, but this does just fine. Mine is bare, so I have a little care with where it lays.

Pull the a/c compressor relay, #2 as I recall. It's the little black one. Connect the fine wire to pin 85. This is the ground side of the relay coil. I just poked the wire through the hole and bent it over.
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Pull the main ecu relay, #4 as I recall. It's the red one on the right. Connect the other end of the fine wire to its pin 85. This is the ground side of the relay coil here too. Again, poke the wire through the hole and bent over.
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Plug the relays back in. Here's mine, all plugged in with the little wire shown.
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And here's the wire more neatly tucked away.
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This works by jumpering the ground for the a/c compressor relay to the ECU relay ground. Basically, as long as the engine is on, the relays are both grounded. So the engine runs and the a/c compressor is engaged.

It works. That's the main thing. I've been running mine this way for about a month now as I keep trying to diagnose and fix the P0687 code that keeps cutting my a/c compressor out.

Hopefully this will help keep some of you cooler and more comfortable in the summer heat.
 
#8 ·
In anticipation of the pictures failing because of photobucket behaving badly, here's the original post, redone with a different photo hosting.

I'm sure I'm not the only one with a chronic problem of the ECU disengaging the relay and turning the air conditioning off. Here's a band-aid technique I rigged up on my car (04 Aero) that keeps the a/c compressor engaged when the engine is running.

Do understand that the compressor does not ever cycle when rigged up this way. It is constantly engaged when the engine is running. It does disengage as soon as the engine is shut off.

This does not fix the underlying problem with whatever is causing the ECU to drop the grounding signal to the a/c compressor relay.

But, if you want or need air conditioning, this does indeed "get er done".

You need about 10" of fine wire. The current load is tiny, so it doesn't need much capacity. You also want it thin so it fits into the blade sockets of the relays. In my case, I used very fine stainless steel wire. Copper would work better, but this does just fine. Mine is bare, so I have a little care with where it lays.

Pull the a/c compressor relay, #2 as I recall. It's the little black one. Connect the fine wire to pin 85. This is the ground side of the relay coil. I just poked the wire through the hole and bent it over.
Image


Pull the main ecu relay, #4 as I recall. It's the red one on the right. Connect the other end of the fine wire to its pin 85. This is the ground side of the relay coil here too. Again, poke the wire through the hole and bent over.
Image


Plug the relays back in. Here's mine, all plugged in with the little wire shown.
Image


And here's the wire more neatly tucked away.
Image


This works by jumpering the ground for the a/c compressor relay to the ECU relay ground. Basically, as long as the engine is on, the relays are both grounded. So the engine runs and the a/c compressor is engaged.

It works. That's the main thing. I've been running mine this way for about a month now as I keep trying to diagnose and fix the P0687 code that keeps cutting my a/c compressor out.

Hopefully this will help keep some of you cooler and more comfortable in the summer heat.
 
#10 ·
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I've acc, so no one fan speed was ever missing. I did have two fan speed control units burn up. One due to water in the fan, the other probably because it was too cheap.

As for the compressor not working, it was because the ECU was bad and kept kicking out the ground switch for the compressor relay. Hence this band-aid. And the end of needing the band-aid once I replaced the ECU.
 
#15 ·
Wow, that's so interesting. I took out the relays, cleaned the inputs and repositioned the wires so as to ensure the relays are sitting "fully inserted" and I'm good again. Maybe I didn't reinsert the relays fully, maybe it got too hot, but it's working again. Thanks for the follow up. Now to figure out the actual problem . . . .