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Old 17th July 2005
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I posted this as a response to a thread in the news forum, but I also decided to make a thread out of it since I am curious to see what you all think.

Theres obviously been alot of talk about what makes a Saab really a Saab, and thats been hotly debated. I have my own way of "grading" each new vehicle to see if it passes as a "real saab" to me.

So again, for a SAAB to be a real SAAB, it needs three things:

- Designed by SAAB. The new design center will take care of this (hopefully)

- Built from the ground up by SAAB. Now, I know that the new 9-3, the ng900, and the old 9000.. heck every car wasn't built entirely by SAAB.. they really never built a car all by themself, but thats OK. They chose partners and platforms they wanted. Saab didn't want an Impreza or a Trailblazer, I assure you. As long as Saab builds off of what they chose and they want, then its built from the ground up by Saab. check.

- Quality at par with the SAAB image. Saab is a luxury brand, or here in the states at least percieved as one. Not exactly top tier but on the same level as Volvo and Audi, or at least it used to be . The point is, the fit and finish of the vehicles needs to be at that level. The plastic controls, the dashes, the type of leather seats, every tiny detail needs to be up there in quality.

In my opinion, the 9-2x failed all 3 tests, the 9-7x failed all 3 tests (almost passsed the 3rd), the 9-3SS passes but gets a midgrade with quality, and the current 9-5 passes all of these. I expect the new sportcombi to pass everything with slightly better grades then the 9-3SS.


Anyways Id thought id share that and get other people's opinions..
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Total understatment and oh yeah, plenty of room inside.
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Saabs are: uncompromised quality, saftey, and practicality.
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I think the question was: "what makes a SAAB a SAAB?". IMHO, the car has to have been designed in Trollhattan. If it borrows the platform from GM or Alfa or FIAT or an engine from Triumph or German Ford or Holden or a transmission from Opel or a turbocharger from Garrett or Mitsubishi, it can still be a "real SAAB" if it was mostly designed in Trollhattan (body and interior).

If it was designed by another car company but modified by SAAB, I consider this a SAAB modification of another company's car, not a "real SAAB".

The Isuzu Impulse of the early 90's had a suspension designed by Lotus. Did that make it a Lotus? Why not? Because it didn't have Lotus badges?

If the question is "what common attributes do SAABs have?", that's a whole other question I'd be more than happy to weigh-in on in depth.
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Ergos.: everything is where it should be; the controls are there, no searching.
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Style : clean discrete lines, a head turner but not flashy; great wheels.
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The design and the care fore the driver is the unik ingridents for a SAAB i think. SAAB has always solved problems with the driver in mind.
This is SAABs contribution to the car history with models pre 9-3 and 9-5

http://www.saabklubben.com/data/saabinnovator.shtml

Maybe its's an old link, in that case:
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A practical turbocharged coupť / estate.
Equipped with smart innovations and free of unnecessary details.
A very affordable car to own, with a very sturdy engine that still gives the average sportscar a challange.
Comfortable to tax out and fly with, and safe to crash.
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A Saab to me is:
-More options for less $$$ compared to comparable Euro cars
-Insanely fast 4 cylinder motors and far superior to 99% of american car 4's
-Comfy seats
-A Griffin on the hood


I'm easy.
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a Saab to me is great performance without breaking the back on gas mileage

and body styling for a seasoned driver
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In order... safe, stylish, sporty, Swedish.
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for me its the c900 or earlier models. i love the c900, its my most fav saab! they are so cool, the functional hatch design, quirky like you wouldn't believe, THE HOOD OPENS BACKWARDS! the engine is BACKWARDS, you sit dead centre in the car, the key goes in the floor, the cup holders are a joke, the seats are so comfotable and supportive not to mention heated, and it has a windshield that looks liek it came from an aeroplane. the performance of a turbo 16 valve engine, the c900 has a vintage car feel with its tall gear shift and upright steering and controls. its truly unique and has a very special place in automotive history, it is one of the longest running models saab has sold and only got better and better the longer it ran. the 900 was also the first saab convertable, something saab is known for, who else has a convertable that looked that good in 1987?!?! the biggest thing that does it for me is the c900 is timeless, it doesn't look "dated", the interior is still inviting and very appealing, never seen and interior quite like it, the exterior could pass for a very old and very new car.
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...and it has a windshield that looks liek it came from an aeroplane.
This isn't totally wrong you know. SAAB began the construction of a jetfighter (J35 Draken) at the same time as the car building started. This was in the late 40ís

When the car SAAB 99 was designed Saab was also developing the new jetfighter (J37 Viggen). Because of the small staff of Saab car they used knowledge from the air division! This was in the 60ís

In the 80ís the car 9000 was developed parallel to the new and the latest Saab jetfighter JAS39 Gripen.

So we can say that a SAAB car is only a real SAAB if it is developed during the designing and building of a new Saab jetfighter. In that case it all ended with the 9000 model
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This isn't totally wrong you know. SAAB began the construction of a jetfighter (J35 Draken) at the same time as the car building started. This was in the late 40ís

When the car SAAB 99 was designed Saab was also developing the new jetfighter (J37 Viggen). Because of the small staff of Saab car they used knowledge from the air division! This was in the 60ís

In the 80ís the car 9000 was developed parallel to the new and the latest Saab jetfighter JAS39 Gripen.

So we can say that a SAAB car is only a real SAAB if it is developed during the designing and building of a new Saab jetfighter. In that case it all ended with the 9000 model
This isn't totally correct



"The Gripens were ordered in three production batches, of 30, 110 and 64 aircraft each, the last two with 14 two-seaters each. In the first two batches the single seaters are designated JAS 39A and the two seaters JAS 39B, in the third batch the single seater is JAS 39C and the two seater JAS 39D.

Batch three will be delivered in 2003-06. The Swedish air force will repaint all required batch one Gripens to match the colour demarcations of later ones. All aircraft from the three batches are to be operational by 2007. "

So if a real SAAB car is only built at the same time as the jet fighters the 9-3 and 9-3SS could be considered real SAABs.
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Well, total wrong or total right...

This is fact: The Swedish government signed a contract with Saab in June 30 1982. The contract was about developing a jetfighter for the Swedish defence. 3 years later the all new 9000 SAAB model was presented and another 3 wears later the JAS plane was in the air for the first time ever.

But you are correct about the deliveries. The JAS 39 Gripen develops more after the first series and maybe, just maybe, has the air department within Saab helped out. But since GM came in I doubt the staff of the car manufacture could run over and ask the Saab Air Division for some help.

We know that the SAAB 99 was presented in 1969. It can be a coincidence that the J37 Viggen made its maiden flight in 1967 and was first delivered in 1971.
But I think not. I rather think that every new car model from Saab was developed during developing a jetfighter. And that explains why some solutions in a SAAB car defers from other car maker.
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C900


The clunk of the doors
The feel of the steering wheel
The beautiful whir of the gearbox transfer case/chains (man)
That SAAB scent in the interior
Aero rims
The use of Torx screws (far better than phillips or blade screws

just to quote a few...............
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quality and performance with no show offs. Stealth all the way...........
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a car that will rip through twisty roads all morning, haul a bunch of stuff from Home Depot all afternoon, and still look refined and elegant for a nice dinner out.
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, you sit dead centre in the car, the key goes in the floor,

What car are you talking about here? I've never seen a car with a center seat?!?
All the C900's and 99's I've seen still have the seat\steering in the traditional left or right side.
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What car are you talking about here? I've never seen a car with a center seat?!?
All the C900's and 99's I've seen still have the seat\steering in the traditional left or right side.

If the key goes in the floor and, I guess, "dead center" in the car. Isnít that a bit awkward when you also sit "dead center"...?
(Couldn't help my self)
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