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Old 18th May 2004
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Default Is the BMW 5-Series in Trouble?

If you saw the latest issue of Road and Track magazine and of Consumer Reports, the 5-Series does not fare as well as before. Complaints range from the straight-from-hell iDrive system to the ugly rear, to some silly and unnecessary (not to mention, unreliable) electrical features such as a turn signal that tries to guess if you are turning into a side street or merely changing lanes. Usually it guesses wrong. In CR, it has been overtaken as the best Sedan in that class by several cars. Road and Track did a comparo on 7 Sedans and it placed 5th :! :! :-?? :-?? . Automotive heresy, you say? I say this is trouble. Do you agree?
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I hadn't thought about it, but now that you mention it, I do believe the 5-series (if you mean the 9-5 models) is in trouble. The reason I say this is because, over the past couple years, I have seen ONE Saab commercial here in Minnesota (and it was generic--no specific model). Now, over the past week, I've seen SEVERAL 9-5 commercials.

Looks like Saab marketing is in overdrive.
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That would be the BMW 5-series.
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Thanks McG. Sorry Crevalle. Meant the Bimmer. My bad. ops:
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Crevalle, you may be onto something. Saab doesn't really have a "nickname" like 5-series or S Class (MB). Maybe we can co-opt the BMW terms if we start referring to them as 3-series (9-3) and 5-series (9-5)? We even have a 7 series coming, and we'll beat them to market with our 2-series!

On second though, we don't want to be associated with those snobs.
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Saab doesn't really have a "nickname" like 5-series or S Class (MB). Maybe we can co-opt the BMW terms if we start referring to them as 3-series (9-3) and 5-series (9-5)? We even have a 7 series coming, and we'll beat them to market with our 2-series!

On second though, we don't want to be associated with those snobs.
Sadly this is the very reason the 9-3 and 9-5 names came about. Saab wanted to compete against the 3 series and 5 series and renamed their cars to show the direct comparison.
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Saab doesn't really have a "nickname" like 5-series or S Class (MB). Maybe we can co-opt the BMW terms if we start referring to them as 3-series (9-3) and 5-series (9-5)? We even have a 7 series coming, and we'll beat them to market with our 2-series!

On second though, we don't want to be associated with those snobs.
Sadly this is the very reason the 9-3 and 9-5 names came about. Saab wanted to compete against the 3 series and 5 series and renamed their cars to show the direct comparison.
Hot damn, really?
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That and 90000 (9-5) and 900000 (9-2) and 9000000 (9-7) would take a lot of room on the boot lid...
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yup, bmw is on a downward spiral

the 3 series will be the next car to be ruined. Its really too bad, road and track(i think) named the 2003 530 as the best car they have ever tested. You would think that after performing their magic on the 7 series bmw might have learned from their mistakes...I guess not :-?

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History shows us that sooner or later all brands as widespread as BMW fall from the top spot. The only brands that seem to remain perceived as being at the top of their class are the smaller brands, like Porsche, Ferrari, etc. Even GM was at the top of their class for a long time, but something seems to happen when you get too big.
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That and 90000 (9-5) and 900000 (9-2) and 9000000 (9-7) would take a lot of room on the boot lid...
I like it!

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It seems to me that this all started with Bangle, or whoever gave him charge of screwing with a good thing. Their departure from classic and conservative styling lines is completely unexplainable. Were their sales really so far down that they had to reduce themselves to novelty and "gee whiz" styling to try and gain market share? It was bad enough that they tainted the 7 with that hideous Chrysler Cirrus rear-end treatment, but now it has filtered down to the 5. And those Woodsy Owl eyebrows are almost comical when viewed from the front. What's next? Don't tell me they're silly enough to screw up the 3 series too. And the iDrive has been a sore achilles since it's intro in the 7 a few years back. Why are they still pushing this abomination?
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I was at then BMW dealer today looking at a 3 series coupe (shhh, don't tell the guys on the SS board). I have to tell you, the 5 looks pretty good, it grows on you. And they also happened to have a new 6 there. I lover the 6 from the moment I saw it in pictures and after seeing it in person, wow. That car in amazingly good looking. And the engine note on it is even better!
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i hope it fails just enough to get bangle fired, but not enough to make BMW go under.
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i hope it fails just enough to get bangle fired, but not enough to make BMW go under.
Bengle got moved to a new "special" position created just for him. BMW did it like this because it keeps him from causing more harm, but preseres BMW's dignity by keeping them from admitting they did a bad thing.
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I have to agree with E715 on this one. I thought the new 5 was awful when i first saw but now i think its quite good looking. The new 5 estate is nicer though without the ugly ***!

Im sure it will be highly successful in Europe though. Apart from the Mercedes E320 cdi (yawn boring) the BMW 330d is most powerful diesel in its class (except the new A6 maybe). This makes it a good proposition, especilly for the upmarket company car segment.
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The 6-series has the same ugly butt as the rest of them. Front is nice, though. Bangle can't be blamed for the useless technology, and the hefty price. Here's a New York Times article that sums up some of the problems:

http://edmunds.nytimes.com/new/2004/...mes.e.....BMW*
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The 6-series has the same ugly butt as the rest of them. Front is nice, though. Bangle can't be blamed for the useless technology, and the hefty price. Here's a New York Times article that sums up some of the problems:

http://edmunds.nytimes.com/new/2004/...mes.e.....BMW*
Have you seen the 6 in person. The back works very well (IMO) with the 6 once you see it in person.
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The 6-series has the same ugly butt as the rest of them. Front is nice, though. Bangle can't be blamed for the useless technology, and the hefty price. Here's a New York Times article that sums up some of the problems:

http://edmunds.nytimes.com/new/2004/...mes.e.....BMW*
Have you seen the 6 in person. The back works very well (IMO) with the 6 once you see it in person.
Matter of fact, I have. Here's what I said at that time:

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/vi...774&highlight=
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i hope it fails just enough to get bangle fired, but not enough to make BMW go under.
I second that. I miss BMWs early to mid 90s styling, to me this is when they peaked.
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