The M5

[goalkeeper21]

http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?p..._code=02186323

That is pretty nasty! I was just looking at it, 7 speed manual with 500bhp. I wouldn't mind driving it. that is pretty heavy though 3900 lbs.
Tony

[sjhudon]

Originally Posted by goalkeeper21

http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?p..._code=02186323

that is pretty heavy though 3900 lbs.
Tony

Yes how is it ever going to move all that weight!

[goalkeeper21]

I think the torque could be a little bit higher, I love the styling though, the front looks so agressive. Job well done BMW!
Tony

[Willy Wonka]

I'm in trouble. Joining the ranks of the perceptually challenged.
It reminds me of a saturn. You don't know if it has dent proof doors? An 80k saturn, it had better do 0-60 in 4.7 secs. I can see some engineer using a bridge arch analysis program to model the roof. What's wrong with this paradyme?
When we were kids gm had this design contest for kids. The entry was a wooden model of a car of the future. Pure creativity and imagination at work.

Upon reading this I'll beat you all to the punch. "Did he say perceptually or perpetually?"

[enobar]

I'll take mine in steel grey.... mmmmmmm

[goalkeeper21]

Originally Posted by Willy Wonka

I'm in trouble. Joining the ranks of the perceptually challenged.
It reminds me of a saturn. You don't know if it has dent proof doors? An 80k saturn, it had better do 0-60 in 4.7 secs. I can see some engineer using a bridge arch analysis program to model the roof. What's wrong with this paradyme?
When we were kids gm had this design contest for kids. The entry was a wooden model of a car of the future. Pure creativity and imagination at work.

Upon reading this I'll beat you all to the punch. "Did he say perceptually or perpetually?"

I don't see the saturn at all. From the 3/4 picture, I see a speck of TL around the back area. I love the front spoiler though.
Tony

[Vector-SS]

the 4.7 seconds probably resulted for excessive wheelspin. With 500 horses, damn, thats a lot. I'm very impressed myself with the new styling; very aggresive looking

[Willy Wonka]

I said I was in trouble. 8)
Sorry, I do see saturn in the roof lines and the flow of the arch into the rear quarter. What's worse I see it in the front pillar posts.

[goalkeeper21]

Originally Posted by Willy Wonka

I said I was in trouble. 8)
Sorry, I do see saturn in the roof lines and the flow of the arch into the rear quarter. What's worse I see it in the front pillar posts.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Anyone else see the TL in it? or am I just seeing things?
Tony

[Mattlach]

Originally Posted by Vector-SS

With 500 horses, damn, thats a lot.

Horses mean nothing. Torque means everything. Obey your right foot.

err.. or something..

I seriously dont know why the bother rating peak horsepower at all. As I understand it HP isnt indicative of anything. Whats really interesting is the torque number, and how wide an rpm band this torque is available over.

[Mattlach]

Originally Posted by Willy Wonka

I'm in trouble. Joining the ranks of the perceptually challenged.
It reminds me of a saturn. You don't know if it has dent proof doors? An 80k saturn, it had better do 0-60 in 4.7 secs. I can see some engineer using a bridge arch analysis program to model the roof. What's wrong with this paradyme?
When we were kids gm had this design contest for kids. The entry was a wooden model of a car of the future. Pure creativity and imagination at work.

Upon reading this I'll beat you all to the punch. "Did he say perceptually or perpetually?"

meh. It looks just like the more pedestrian 5-series, but a little riced up. (In other words, like a slightly more riced up, butt ugly car)

Whatever happened to the BMW M philosophy of great performance with subtle looks?

If you ask me, the last generation 5 searies is way more aesthetically pleasing, with classic lines that are classy and subtle.

Doesnt anyone believe in tasteful restraint anymore?

[goalkeeper21]

They way I've always thought about it, was Torque is good for stand still, it what gets the car to move. So 0-60 I think torque numbers would have more to do with how fast it goes 0-60. But HP numbers would be from 60-120, the hp will get the car moving faster, when it is moving. Does that make any sense? so you are right according to my theory about the 0-60 numbers. I think that 369 isn't that much if you are comparing it to the 500 hp. just my two cents.
Tony

[Mattlach]

Originally Posted by goalkeeper21

They way I've always thought about it, was Torque is good for stand still, it what gets the car to move. So 0-60 I think torque numbers would have more to do with how fast it goes 0-60. But HP numbers would be from 60-120, the hp will get the car moving faster, when it is moving. Does that make any sense? so you are right according to my theory about the 0-60 numbers. I think that 369 isn't that much if you are comparing it to the 500 hp. just my two cents.
Tony

Interesting.

That may explain why my Aero is realtively quick up to approx 100mph, but after that slower than expected.

The Aeros have a decent amount of torque, but horsepower is relatively low..

[Vector-SS]

My Vector is not too fast up to 100, but after 100 is where it shines? weird.

[goalkeeper21]

Originally Posted by Vector-SS

My Vector is not too fast up to 100, but after 100 is where it shines? weird.

Well the turbo helps with the power at high speeds. That is just my philosophy, I'm sure others here have a different one though.
Tony

[Dan1]

now if it only wasn't so damned ugly...

[ragtopcav]

Originally Posted by Willy Wonka

Q. What's wrong with this paradyme?

A. It's spelt wrong [paradigm]

[greenphotos]

Originally Posted by ragtopcav

A. It's spelt wrong [paradigm]

- Sorry - I'd never know how to spell it either - well caught Raggy.

[Russell]

..lovely car, looks way to big to hussle around fast bendy roads though, the E39 is a handful already.

read somewhere that the next 2 years allocations have already been sold out - bloomin speculators up to their usual tricks again.

can't wait to see the engine in the new M6, now that should be interesting. BMW also toying with the idea of sticking the V12 into the 5 to make more of a 'luxury' M5, now that would be very weird indeed.

The next gen M3 will be a V8 - the V6's aren't potent enough anymore. BMW really are very clever at playing the power game. Take the new 530d - pulls the same torque as the current M5 369lbf. They won't make it more torquey that the M5 because that would not look good - diesel more powerful than the ubersaloon... No doubt when the mext M5 does arrive the current 530d will receive a power hike. to beat the V10 volkswagen....

[Saba]

huh! 100hp per litre, so does my Saab (actually more )