BSR Tuning for Linear

[Reds 9-3]

Anybody out there have a BSR PPC tuned Linear, I am really thinking about this upgrade but would love some feed back, plus I have been hearing rumors that the Linear actually has close to 195bhp and that SAAB understated the power to keep the price down in certian markets. If this is true the $950 for the PPC seems like a waste if it only delivers 9 more hp. Any words of wisdom for me?

[Saba]

Jmcorsi1172 has done his Linear. The only one I believe.

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25232

I don't think the 2.0t have more than 175 hp. I just had mine dynoed in readiness for the BSR PPC. The dyno showed it had 145 bhp at the wheels.

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26136

A manual FWD would on average have a 15% drive train loss (maybe even less). My wheel dyno would support that. I will order the BSR soon and put it on and then re-dyno again. Hopefully I will have some comparison to post in about 3-4 weeks. I got to import it from halfway around the world!

[Reds 9-3]

Originally Posted by Saba

Jmcorsi1172 has done his Linear. The only one I believe.

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25232

I don't think the 2.0t have more than 175 hp. I just had mine dynoed in readiness for the BSR PPC. The dyno showed it had 145 bhp at the wheels.

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26136

A manual FWD would on average have a 15% drive train loss (maybe even less). My wheel dyno would support that. I will order the BSR soon and put it on and then re-dyno again. Hopefully I will have some comparison to post in about 3-4 weeks. I got to import it from halfway around the world!

Hey thanks for the link and the info let me know how you like it when it's done.

[Viscouse]

I moved this inot the Tuning Forum, but left a bookmark...

[jmcorsi1172]

READ MY MOST RECENT POSTING BEFORE ORDERING. What seemed to be perfect may not be!

[jmcorsi1172]

ISSUE IS NOT WITH THE PPC, GAS TANK WAS EMPTY. GAS GAUGE PROBLEM. GO AHEAD AND ORDER AND ENJOY THE NEW PERFORMANCE!

[Reds 9-3]

Originally Posted by jmcorsi1172

ISSUE IS NOT WITH THE PPC, GAS TANK WAS EMPTY. GAS GAUGE PROBLEM. GO AHEAD AND ORDER AND ENJOY THE NEW PERFORMANCE!

Thanks for watchin out for me. I am going to get thee BSR PPC or have Nordic tune it I am really torn between the two.Anybody have any suggestions?

[joshd2012]

Originally Posted by Reds 9-3

Thanks for watchin out for me. I am going to get thee BSR PPC or have Nordic tune it I am really torn between the two.Anybody have any suggestions?

A Nordic tunning is permanent, meaning that if you ever wanted to go back to the stock settings, you would have to send the ECU back to them. With BSR, it takes only a matter of minutes to go back to the original factory settings. Also, I believe Nordic was the ones saying the engine was not durable enough to do tuning on, so the BSR should get you more power.

[moz]

I got some information that Hirsh will be coming out with a new upgrade package for the 9-3 SS soon. I cannot reveal the source but I think it is quite reliable . Has anyone heard anything similar, just to satisfy my own curiosity?

[joshd2012]

Thats cool for anyone who has it available, but it is not avavilable in the US. Its nice because it is protected under warranty, but will definitely not be as much of a gain as the BSR.

[Saba]

Originally Posted by joshd2012

Thats cool for anyone who has it available, but it is not avavilable in the US. Its nice because it is protected under warranty, but will definitely not be as much of a gain as the BSR.

It will definitely cost an arm and a leg too.

[Johnken]

Hirsch tuning is not protected under waranty other than related to 9-5. Saab does not take any responsability for Hirsch parts related to the SS.

[Saba]

Originally Posted by Johnken

Hirsch tuning is not protected under waranty other than related to 9-5. Saab does not take any responsability for Hirsch parts related to the SS.

Hirsch covers their stuff on the 9-5 and Saab covers all their stuff on the 9-5. I doubt Saab will come to the party if Hirsch stuff harms Saab stuff (and vice versa). Saab warranty DOES NOT cover Hirsch performance upgrades. It really is no different to putting BSR PPC on.

Warranty info
http://www.saab-performance.com/GB_en/5_0_offer.html

The Hirsch Stage upgrade for the 9-5 (150hp - 210 hp) is 1438 GBP! , 3 x the price of the BSR PPC for the 1.8t which has similar gains. The 9-5 Stage 1 Hirsch is a ECU exchange + airfilter.

All approved by Saab, but who said you needed Saab's approval. Saab won't cover the cost of a stuffed turbo if they can pin it on the Hirsch upgrade. Thats why the warranty info above clearly defines who is responsible for what.

[jmcorsi1172]

I vote for the BSR PPC. Although many ECU upgrades are "stealth", claim to be undetectable, you just need to take the car for a drive to notice the difference. I like I am less likely to have warranty issues with the PPC. As long as the battery is fully charged, you always load back the original settings. Of course I own the PPC and am more than pleased with the results.

[Saba]

Originally Posted by jmcorsi1172

ISSUE IS NOT WITH THE PPC, GAS TANK WAS EMPTY. GAS GAUGE PROBLEM. GO AHEAD AND ORDER AND ENJOY THE NEW PERFORMANCE!

Normally I would be ROFLMOA, but I'm so relieved.

[Reds 9-3]

Originally Posted by Saba

Normally I would be ROFLMOA, but I'm so relieved.

The Hirsch thing sounds pretty cool, but it will definitely cost to much money. If you go onto Wigwams(Nordic US) site they have a package for the Linear which will give you 220hp and another package that will give you 235hp, the first one is $2200 and the second is $3100.So it seems they are willing and able to tune the SS.

[Saba]

Originally Posted by Reds 9-3

The Hirsch thing sounds pretty cool, but it will definitely cost to much money. If you go onto Wigwams(Nordic US) site they have a package for the Linear which will give you 220hp and another package that will give you 235hp, the first one is $2200 and the second is $3100.So it seems they are willing and able to tune the SS.

I believe they are quotes for the old 9-3. It says 2.0t but they have just adopted the SS terminology and applied it to the old 9-3.

[Reds 9-3]

Originally Posted by Saba

I believe they are quotes for the old 9-3. It says 2.0t but they have just adopted the SS terminology and applied it to the old 9-3.

You know what I think you are right, that's pretty lame of them. Well I guess it is the BSR set-up for me. Thanks for catching that. Good on ya mate!

[pjku79]

Originally Posted by Saba

Jmcorsi1172 has done his Linear. The only one I believe.

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25232

I don't think the 2.0t have more than 175 hp. I just had mine dynoed in readiness for the BSR PPC. The dyno showed it had 145 bhp at the wheels.

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26136

A manual FWD would on average have a 15% drive train loss (maybe even less). My wheel dyno would support that. I will order the BSR soon and put it on and then re-dyno again. Hopefully I will have some comparison to post in about 3-4 weeks. I got to import it from halfway around the world!

I am waiting on your dyno results Saba. Have you done anything else, performance wise, to your car yet?

[Saba]

Originally Posted by pjku79

I am waiting on your dyno results Saba. Have you done anything else, performance wise, to your car yet?

I hope to get the BSR next week. I will drive around for a week to get the car "accustomed" to it and then put it back on the dyno ASAP. I have the JR filter. I'm tossing up between a custom 3" catback or 17" wheels. One or the other