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Default B204L vs B204R

I did a little searching, but nothing 100%.

From Wikipedia it looks like the 204L has less boost/psi than the 204R.

My question is, with a stage 1 tune on a 204L will i be at the same chp/whp as a 204R with the same tune?
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First, the only year that will have a 204R is the '99 9-3 "HOT". After that the 9-3 uses the 205 motor. I believe the '99 204R was done entirely with an ECU tune.

So, to answer your question... yes, you could tune a 204L to have the HP of a 204R. In fact, it would perform better than a 204R since Saab leaves torque caps in place in their tuned engines and you won't get as much boost as fast with a 204R as with a stage-1 tune.
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Sounds good, and your right, i'm comparing a 97 900, to a 99 9-3. i'm just wondering if i should hold out for a 99 9-3, since it comes with 15 more hp stock, i didn't know if that mattered after i tuned it.

edit: so ya, excuse my ignorance, but on jzw's site. stage 1 says +40hp. so i'm wondering if it'll be 185+40? as apposed to 200+40. or if the tune will bump a 204L to stage 1, 204R levels.

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Makes little difference. You can do a little tuning and get to the same place. Most of the guys around here would tell you that the HOT tune in the 9-3 is irrelevant. Given the choice, I'd go with the '99 9-3, but that's not based on the motor.
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ok, so why a 99 9-3 then? is it that much better than a 900?
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i own a 97 900, and back when it had a stock turbo, what little money i put in it, well it flew. i have literally beat the crap out of this car (although kept up on maint) and it takes every bit. never left me stranded, ever.
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ok, so why a 99 9-3 then? is it that much better than a 900?
Please note that I own a '97 NG900. Nothing against them, they're great cars, but in general, I'd always opt for the newer car due to less corrosion and aging.

Also, on the 9-3
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- Hydraulic top if we're talking 'verts
- wide selection of lowering springs (only one for NG900... perhaps two if you could pull off a direct euro order to Eibach).
- many parts interchange through 2002/2003 so newer replacements are available at the junkyard
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- adjustable speed intermittent wipers

On the downside, the 9-3's have SIDs and ACC units that eventually need repair.
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+1

And why no T7 love?
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And why no T7 love?

He's looking at a '99 9-3.
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And why no T7 love?
Because T5's rock
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And why no T7 love?
T7 engine management is great...

The engines themselves, not so much.
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First, the only year that will have a 204R is the '99 9-3 "HOT". After that the 9-3 uses the 205 motor. I believe the '99 204R was done entirely with an ECU tune.

So, to answer your question... yes, you could tune a 204L to have the HP of a 204R. In fact, it would perform better than a 204R since Saab leaves torque caps in place in their tuned engines and you won't get as much boost as fast with a 204R as with a stage-1 tune.
This comes up often, the engine itself is not different but 3 things make it different

ECU tune (17psi limit which is good for MBC people), viggen style intercooler, and a stiffer wastegate actuator. If you have MBC set to 15 or 16ish you'll be pushing 220-230hp

personally I just like the trim of the SE HOTs anyway and i like to be well within safety limits of the stock pistons ie (T5)
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This comes up often, the engine itself is not different but 3 things make it different

ECU tune (17psi limit which is good for MBC people), viggen style intercooler, and a stiffer wastegate actuator. If you have MBC set to 15 or 16ish you'll be pushing 220-230hp

personally I just like the trim of the SE HOTs anyway and i like to be well within safety limits of the stock pistons ie (T5)
I used to be an MBC fan due to cost, but you can buy a stage 1 ECU from Genuine Saab for this for $100 now so that's a much better choice IMO.
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i own a 97 900, and back when it had a stock turbo, what little money i put in it, well it flew. i have literally beat the crap out of this car (although kept up on maint) and it takes every bit. never left me stranded, ever.
Amen to that! although I've been stranded. . . .faulty alternator
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He's looking at a '99 9-3.
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Because T5's rock
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T7 engine management is great...

The engines themselves, not so much.
Annnnd oh.

Damn the ecopower.
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Because T5's rock
pretty much

been looking for a new car, i am not very mechanically inclined so i was looking at something that is somewhat easy to upgrade. T5 seems to be where it's at.
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pretty much

been looking for a new car, i am not very mechanically inclined so i was looking at something that is somewhat easy to upgrade. T5 seems to be where it's at.

The only real differences are:

1. If you plan to go up over 300HP
2. If you want to by a T5 ECU from GS for $100 vs. (typically) more for other T7 tunes

Other than that, I don't see a big difference in tuning, except that you can get a newer T7. You do need to be selective or check to make sure there's no sludge problem.
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i just want to confirm that the internals on the B204L and the B204R are the same. i have a 96 900 and have read they can take a beating in terms of hp. im thinking of buying a 99 9-3 hot as either a parts car or to fix up, i just want to make sure that engine can take the same amount of abuse. thanks guys this forum has helped me so much since ive gotten my 900.
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i just want to confirm that the internals on the B204L and the B204R are the same. i have a 96 900 and have read they can take a beating in terms of hp. im thinking of buying a 99 9-3 hot as either a parts car or to fix up, i just want to make sure that engine can take the same amount of abuse. thanks guys this forum has helped me so much since ive gotten my 900.
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Depends. If that 99 is a t7 they are different pistons and rods.
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