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Old 10th March 2011
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Hello everyone!!
I just bought a '99 Saab which i fell inlove with on the test drive. But now that i brought it home I can't say that I am loving it as much as day 1...

I got into the car knowing that the speedo didnt work (research tells me abs control module, which i found the place to rebuild for $50)

But just today I was driving like 15 mph, no pot holes no ppl around nothing.
I turned my defrost on and 5 minutes later BANG! my entire rear window glass shattered!!!
Now im looking around and it isnt going to be cheap to fix.
I spent every penny i had on buying this car. I am just so upset!

I found the glass on ebay, (rear windshield) but I am not sure if my '99 9-3 Convertible is compatible with a '98 Saab 900 Convertible.
That is my first question.

Second, I found a junk yard that has it available local for $150, but i have to install myself. Does anyone know of any DIY guides on how to replace the rear glass for a 9-3 convertible??
Maybe someone that has done it can explain to me?

I can't afford $500+ for installation that these places are telling me.

I put full coverage on the car, but with a $1,000 deductible i dont think it is worth it.
After I fix this problem that just popped up, then I can start working on the other problems this car has. I am hoping to get this car 100% for the summer, because I love this thing! I never had a convertible. I was so happy for the first few days until it starting running crappy, check engine light came on the very next day i bought it, engine is making a tiny knocking/ticking noise now.
I thought all i would have to do is get this abs control module rebuilt, put some fluid in the convertible tank, and the oil/air filter change (which i did already) and the car would been perfect...but i was wrong
So after i fix my glass, i need to figure out how to drop the oil pan to clean out the screen and take the sludge out. Then after that Im going to send the abs module to get rebuilt.

But my main question for now is about the glass. How do i replace the rear glass on a 9-3 convertible (1999). and would it be the same glass as the 98 900 Conv?
THANKS SO MUCH!!!!
I hope i can get this thing going, i love saab, but im not sure if i can afford all these issues that magically appeared after i bought the car (less than 1 wk ago)
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Old 10th March 2011
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you have full coverage, galsses should have no deductible....
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What part of NJ are you from. Did you buy this from a dealer or private party?
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I bought it from a used car lot in paterson.

I called my useless insurance company and they said $1,000 deductible will apply. (Like a bad neighbor...state farm is there to steal from u)

Considering we been customers for state farm for 20 years and never had a chargable accident, u would think they would help us out a little bit.

I seriously feel like calling the Credit card company and putting a stop payment, and return their title back to them. Because only one week into it and non stop problems are occuring.

Im just so upset. I loved this Saab. LOVED IT. but they screwed me. First check engine light comes on, then starts knocking in engine (very lightly)
the idle is all screwed up convertible top says soft top failure when trying to put it down.

Another question i have is how come the car keeps mking a "ding-dong" noise every time i down shift, or if im standing still and the fan turns on it makes the noise. but nothing is displayed on the SID, only the red exclamation comes on and off in the speedometer....

You see, i got into this car knowing that the Speedometer doesnt work ,and the abs and brake light was on. and i also knew about the soft top failure.

but the check engine light, the noise from engine, the bad idling, all happened a day or 2 after...and now this broken window in the back.
it really crushes me....
i feel almost like i lost a girlfriend that i once loved...
if i got a piece of junk ford or honda i wouldnt be so upset...
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Old 10th March 2011
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I'm sorry to hear about your problems.
When someone broke my rear window I bought the whole trunk lid (same color) from a junkyard. This way it's a DIY job to change.
If you buy just the window you have to glue it, and this could lead to problems with leaking.
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Where I live we have 15 day state mandated warranties on all used cars sold by any place with a business license so this type of thing does not happen. NJ does not have this? The electronic problems you state are worrisome. The car may have flood damage to be behaving so strangely because the electronics are messed up. Perhaps take it back I would say.
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Hello everyone!!
I just bought a '99 Saab which i fell inlove with on the test drive. But now that i brought it home I can't say that I am loving it as much as day 1...

I got into the car knowing that the speedo didnt work (research tells me abs control module, which i found the place to rebuild for $50)

But just today I was driving like 15 mph, no pot holes no ppl around nothing.
I turned my defrost on and 5 minutes later BANG! my entire rear window glass shattered!!!
Now im looking around and it isnt going to be cheap to fix.
I spent every penny i had on buying this car. I am just so upset!

I found the glass on ebay, (rear windshield) but I am not sure if my '99 9-3 Convertible is compatible with a '98 Saab 900 Convertible.
That is my first question.

Second, I found a junk yard that has it available local for $150, but i have to install myself. Does anyone know of any DIY guides on how to replace the rear glass for a 9-3 convertible??
Maybe someone that has done it can explain to me?

I can't afford $500+ for installation that these places are telling me.

I put full coverage on the car, but with a $1,000 deductible i dont think it is worth it.
After I fix this problem that just popped up, then I can start working on the other problems this car has. I am hoping to get this car 100% for the summer, because I love this thing! I never had a convertible. I was so happy for the first few days until it starting running crappy, check engine light came on the very next day i bought it, engine is making a tiny knocking/ticking noise now.
I thought all i would have to do is get this abs control module rebuilt, put some fluid in the convertible tank, and the oil/air filter change (which i did already) and the car would been perfect...but i was wrong
So after i fix my glass, i need to figure out how to drop the oil pan to clean out the screen and take the sludge out. Then after that Im going to send the abs module to get rebuilt.

But my main question for now is about the glass. How do i replace the rear glass on a 9-3 convertible (1999). and would it be the same glass as the 98 900 Conv?
THANKS SO MUCH!!!!
I hope i can get this thing going, i love saab, but im not sure if i can afford all these issues that magically appeared after i bought the car (less than 1 wk ago)
Did it include a warranty?
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Sorry to hear about your car troubles. I don't think NJ has any mandated laws about returning a vehicle - I would look at your paperwork, there may be a statement about a return policy. I would also call the dealer and tell them whats been going on and see if they can help.

As far as i know a 900 rear window will not fit a 9-3 since I'm pretty sure they made the glass larger in the 9-3's.
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I am fairly sure the glass for the 900 and 9-3 verts are different. I do not think just the glass can be replaced on either of them.

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Don't know much to help you, but I do know that the glass in 900 models was changed in 1996. So I would avoid the '94 and '95 models as far as scrapping parts.

My '95 900 rear window was leaking very badly after my purchase a few months ago, and then I discovered that I would have to replace my entire top to upgrade to the newer version of rear glass. I am also on the limitted budget, so I used black expoxy to glue it back together. I had past experience with using the expoxy to glue a rear windshield onto a taurus, and it works very well. It doesn't look the best from the rear, but I've been putting the top up and down quite often and there doesn't seem to be any problems.

This might not be the most popular advice to give on the forum, but if you can't return it, then u might want to try to rig something up, at least for now. If you can return it somehow, then at least you know what car you want to buy, and you should use this site to find what to look for as far as problems when looking at other cars.

Best of luck, Brian
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Old 11th March 2011
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wow what a nightmare!!! the dealer is telling me its $891 for the glass alone!!
this is insane!
i can get it from junk yard for 150. this is a real shame that this happened.
now i can not use the convertible. i cant drive it...this is so depressing.

does anyone have any ideas of maybe rigging it up?

or does anyone know how to change the rear glass? if i bought it from the junk yard how i could do it myself?

that is like my only option at this point.
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The first thing I would do is call the DMV and the NJSP to see if there are any laws on the sale of a car and put emphasis on passing inspection.

Did the thing pass and how could it if the speedo does not work?

I know they stopped looking at a lot of items at DMV a few months ago but I think a check engine and speedo are cause for rejection.

OK, put it in perspective, it is a car. It is tin and plastic and it does not even know you exist.

Ask ... "What Would Tunnan Do?" ..

Just go down to a commercial plastics supply house. Central Jersey I would go to Estok in Trenton, and get a cheap piece of plexi or some kind of clear plastic.

I mean used car lots in Paterson or Newark or almost anywhere in Jersey that have bad credit, no credit .. no problem. Guess what? You are going to have problems.

Do it yourself and see how many other things will happen in the next month perhaps.

A letter from a pal who is a lawyer? The car lot just may get helpful?
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u see, the reason i bought the car was because i loved it when i took the test drive. it was amazing. the salesman didnt put any pressure, and allowed me to spend literally 4 hours with the car!
everything seemed great. i did research and found out about the speedo problem which seemed to be an easy fix. (abs control module rebuilt is $50!)

I actually found some paperwork with the previous owners info in the car, so i decided to call him up. (lol)
i asked him about the car, he told me he put a new turbo in recently and a new radiator. he said that the only reason why he was getting rid of it is because everything that goes wrong with it costs alot of money and with the speedo stop working and his mechanic said it will be over 1500 to fix, he decided to trade it in for a new car.
he told me the only problems he knew of was the top leaks when it is heavy rain, the speedo issue, and the flex pipe got a hole in muffler.
with those issues known, i figured i would take this car because i could fix those problems and have a perfect beautiful saab convertible! which is awesom compared to my last cars (ford escort, cavalier, regal, sundance)
this car is pure luxury compared to what i came from. and i was so excited about it!!

its weird but it feels like it runs so much better when i put regular gas in it! i was putting 93 octane since i bought it and it started acting weird. then i switched back to regular (which the prvious owner said he used only) and the car feels good again. (but now the back window is busted )
So i cant win....
I wish i won mega millions/power ball so i can buy a brand new saab convertible with the xwd!!! that would be great!
Seriously, I feel like I am a new Saab fan. I love the car but this back window situation really kills me!
Supposedly this shop in brooklyn can get the window for cheap and install it for a great price! if i can get this done for under $300 i would be very happy. and make sure it doesnt leak, and most importantly the convertible top will still work properly.
I mean, yea it does suck for $300 to get flushed down the toilet, and that $300 should have went towards my abs module rebuild, new flex pipe, and i wanted to get a mechanic to drop the oil pan and clean the pick up screen.
but now i need to figure out what i am going to do...

Thanks to everyone for your advice...and i will keep everyone posted on what winds up happening.
i am going to call the number like Tunnan suggested. I was given a number (1800-lemon law)
and i will ask the questions. I hope that maybe under law they have to pay to fix the window, oppose to me having to return the car for refund. because i really like the car.
But I am not sure how I can prove that the defrost is what caused the window to shatter.
It is an odd problem, I read of a couple other instances of this happening to Saab owners. I googled "saab rear window shatter" and saw a couple people saying that their defrost caused their window to literally shatter.

This is a potentianly serious situation as far as safety is concerned. if i had people back there, it is possible they could have been seriously injured from the glass.
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UPDATE!!!!
I FOUND A PLACE IN BROOKLYN THAT SAYS THEY WILL INSTALL IT (WITH A USED WINDOW) FOR $250!!!!!
that is an excellent price! im hoping it is true and it all works out!!!

I will keep u guys posted...and if it comes down to it, i will post the name of the shop incase anyone needs the info for future reference...
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the glass could have shattered from cooling and heating so much. kinda like if you put a glass cup in the freezer and then take it out and put it in the heat, after awhile of doing this it'll crack. could be what happened.
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Old 12th March 2011
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wow...so i am really really upset now...i spent all day driving to and from Brooklyn. and driving the 5 speed in the city with traffic was a TERRIBLE experience...
so i went all the way down, paid for tolls and gas, and brought my car to the place that told me i would be able to get it fixed no problem and drive home with it the same day...
well there was a problem (as usual!) ...he told me he cant do it because the cloth is sewn into the glass or something like that. so i need to take it to an auto upholstery shop to get done...
so much for getting my hopes up...now i have no clue what to do.
this is a nightmare, and i wish i was able to wake up from it.
one thing is for certain. i will NEVER use the rear defrost ever again!

i will keep this topic updated on the progress, if any.
i may be going back down to brooklyn on monday to take it to a guy that this guy refered me to...i cant go back unless they are 100% positive they can actually do it, because that mission took me 4 hours of driving, and my clutch really took a beating. City traffic the entire way.
will keep all updated.
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What about a piece of clear vinyl from a marine canvas place? I envision a piece of matching Sunbrella fabric sewn onto each edge of the vinyl. and the outer pieces of fabric glued onto the top opening. It's not going to be factory grade, but it might be a cheap fix.

There's a guy on saabnet.com right now that has a price of $1200 - $1700 to replace the entire top, and $525 to buy a replacement top online... Ron
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Really, I gotta agree with 97 SE on this. We got by for years with those soft panels on verts and a marine place can do it way cheaper.

Break and shatter? I had a real tiny chip in the windshield of my Ford Exploder and watched it grow one day when I put the defrost on. It grew from like 1/8 inch to three inches while I watched so I told myself to be careful.

A few days later it was about "0" out and I let the car warm, jumped in and tossed the defrost on high. Damned thing almost split the windshield in half with that sudden burst of heat.

Fuel? I think our cars have a sensor that will not allow knock (to a point), but my wife runs economy and I run high octane and for the fun of it kind of switch occasionally (like when there is a thread on it), and frankly I never see any difference. I never keep a paper and ink log of mileage either but there is no difference on the information display. Same on my old Volvo T5, nothing ever jumps out at me?

Good luck but at least call a few marine top shops, the area is loaded with them.
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I did this repair (clear vinyl) on my Mazda Miata. Bought the plastic from online fabric store, cost me $20 and it was enough to do 2 Miata windows. I don't know how well that works on the Saab tops but its a repair that can work if your fairly handy.

I hope you may have learned something as well. Buying any car, much less a Saab, which requires every penny of yours for the purchase is a bad idea. Things break. Also, the gotta have its are dangerous. I fall prey to this all the time.

Good luck!
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i guess i got lucky with my previous used cars...always got great cars without needing any work...right up til the day someone totaled it! (damn jersey drivers!! lol)

but i was def thinking of using plastic to replace the window...i didnt know it was marine top shop...i will DEF check into that...that might be great idea. to prevent this from happeing again, b/c plastic doesnt shatter!!

my only concern would be opening/closing the top properly.
i read that part of the purpose of them using glass for the rear window is to support the soft top roof.
I wound up taping up the rear window so loose glass wont fall into the car...and its holding it up pretty well...
considering the window is so friggen tiny, and pretty much useless to look out of in the back, i am wondering if it may be possible to just tape both sides (i taped the inside part already) but if i tape the outside part, then it might be possible to safely open and close the convertible without even having to replace the window.
however, im not sure how passing inspection would work out with a busted back window...lol.
I am expecting to talk to someone (from brooklyn, again) on Monday morning.
This is an Auto upholstery place that will supposedly is capable of fixing this with the glass that the guy already ordered for me. ($150 for used glass, oppose to $400-$500 for the new)

Thanks everyone for the input and suggestions here...
I love my Saab for the most part...I know that this is not going to be a cheap ride for me. But atleast I got a car that i actually like and can feel proud to drive around!!!
MY favorite car so far out of all my cars i owned in the past!!!

And if worst comes to worse, I can always sell the car for a profit...
KBB says privte party in fair condition is almost $5,000....
If i sell it $4500 as-is (take 500 off for the broken window)
then i will have a decent little profit going!
But i would like to wait atleast til the end of summer before going down that road!
(i never owned a convertible before, and really really really look forward to cruising with the top down )
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