CSE have the 2.3

[sp53]

Hi all I confused about some of the Saab 9000 terminology does the 96 9000 CSE have the 2.3 motor?
Steve

[Ron Hamperehill]

In the UK I think engine size was an option so some did some didn't have the 2.3. I had a 94 2.3 and it was a nice car to drive. Until the timing chain broke on me

[SaabKen]

Originally Posted by sp53

Hi all I confused about some of the Saab 9000 terminology does the 96 9000 CSE have the 2.3 motor?
Steve

Steve, in N. America the 9000 had the 2.3 (B234) available as early as 1989 in natural aspirated form, alongside the 2.0L (B202) in either NA or turbo'd. IIRC by 1990/91 all N. American 9000s had the B234, but it came in either full-pressure turbo (B234L), B234E (light-pressure turbo) or most powerful Aero full-pressure turbo (B234R) where instead of the standard Garett T25 turbocharger the Aero had a larger Mitsubishi TD04 unit.

The 3.0L V6 (B306) was introduced to the 9000 in 1995 and stopped after 1996 in N. America but continued in Europe until 1997.

[JeffCullen]

Bang on, Ken. Few holes: 2.0 turbo was available in '90. B234i (non turbo) was available up to and including '94. All '95/up are either LPT or FPT.

[SaabKen]

Originally Posted by JeffCullen

Bang on, Ken. Few holes: 2.0 turbo was available in '90. B234i (non turbo) was available up to and including '94. All '95/up are either LPT or FPT.

I knew I was not 100% on the mark. Thanks Jeff !

[Superaero]

Originally Posted by sp53

Hi all I confused about some of the Saab 9000 terminology does the 96 9000 CSE have the 2.3 motor?
Steve

Yes.

There were no 2.0 liter 9000 model SAABs sold in North America after the 1990 model year.

Under North American driving conditions the 2.3 is actually more fuel efficient than the 2.0 liter engine, both in turbo and non-turbo form. The economy in City driving is worse but the economy on the highway is noticeably better.

[SaabKen]

I get ~ 19mpg/city and up to 34mpg/hwy

[sp53]

Thanks a lot for your help you guys. I want to get a Saab 9000 with the turbo, but do not know much about the cse or csd jargon stuff. I am thinking I want the 2.3 motor because I have worked on them some: starter, CPC, water pump, alternator, heater, master cylinder, ect. I find them to be a very solid machine. I am trying to stay from the V6 because I do not understand it yet. Is that more of a GM idea and did GM take over right after the end of the 9000 production. I saw one add that maintained their 95 Saab 9000 v6 was 40K new. Anyways I saw a 96 9000 in Eastern Washington with problems for 1,300.00 I sent them an email and I noticed they raised the price to 1,900.00. They maintained it has a bad coil and they need a quick sale. It probably does not have spark, and I figured CPS or maybe just DI, but I am not sure. There is a real nice one on Ebay (95 9000) that is supposed to only have 34,000 original miles. I will keep my eyes open.
Steve

[Superaero]

Everybody stayed away from the V6. Less power, uses more fuel, leaks oil and needs careful work to change the rubber cam timing belt on a fairly regular basis.

The V6 was a GM product installed in Opels and Vauxhalls. The 2.5 liter version wasn't too bad but the 3.0 V6 was not a good engine. Stay well away from V6 powered SAABs until the latest 9 3 turbo which used the replacement described below.


GM replaced it with their "World" V6 which is still found in newer Opels, SAABs, Vauxhalls and Holdens in Australia as well as Cadillacs and Chevys. Alfa Romeo had to use it also from the time when FIAT was partially owned by GM. This V6 is better but still a very dull powerplant.

[SaabKen]

Originally Posted by sp53

Thanks a lot for your help you guys. I want to get a Saab 9000 with the turbo, but do not know much about the cse or csd jargon stuff. I am thinking I want the 2.3 motor because I have worked on them some: starter, CPC, water pump, alternator, heater, master cylinder, ect. I find them to be a very solid machine. I am trying to stay from the V6 because I do not understand it yet. Is that more of a GM idea and did GM take over right after the end of the 9000 production. I saw one add that maintained their 95 Saab 9000 v6 was 40K new. Anyways I saw a 96 9000 in Eastern Washington with problems for 1,300.00 I sent them an email and I noticed they raised the price to 1,900.00. They maintained it has a bad coil and they need a quick sale. It probably does not have spark, and I figured CPS or maybe just DI, but I am not sure. There is a real nice one on Ebay (95 9000) that is supposed to only have 34,000 original miles. I will keep my eyes open.
Steve

Steve whereabouts in WA are you ?

Might wanna see what Scanwest has in their used fleet for sale.

[sp53]

Sorry Ken I just noticed your note. I live down in University place (basically Tacoma). Anyways is the 2.3 in the 9.5 basically the same as the 2.3 in the 9000 model?
Steve

[SaabKen]

Originally Posted by sp53

Sorry Ken I just noticed your note. I live down in University place (basically Tacoma). Anyways is the 2.3 in the 9.5 basically the same as the 2.3 in the 9000 model?
Steve

9000's 2.3L was the B234 (E/L/R) which was also used in the NG900 (new-gen 900, 1994-1999) /OG9-3 (old-gen 9-3, 1999-2002). The B205/B235, used in the 9-5, was the further evolution of the B234.

[justin.graeff]

I had the 2.0 Turbo in 1990, however I felt it got better mileage than my 9-5 with the 2.3. I think all 2.0 Turbo 9000's got the Direct Ignition, however.

[SaabKen]

Originally Posted by justin.graeff

I think all 2.0 Turbo 9000's got the Direct Ignition, however.

Not before 1990, I believe.

[justin.graeff]

Originally Posted by SaabKen

Not before 1990, I believe.

Ahh, sorry, that's what I meant. Thanks for clearing that up, Ken.

[rawill]

Originally Posted by sp53

Thanks a lot for your help you guys. I want to get a Saab 9000 with the turbo, but do not know much about the cse or csd jargon stuff.
Steve

CS = liftback
CD = sedan

CSE is more upmarket, CS is basic
CDE is more upmarket, CD is basic

Then the complexity of non turbo's LPT/FPT/griffin/Aero.

CSD I do not know

/Rbn

[SaabKen]

Originally Posted by rawill

CS = liftback
CD = sedan

CSE is more upmarket, CS is basic
CDE is more upmarket, CD is basic

Then the complexity of non turbo's LPT/FPT/griffin/Aero.

CSD I do not know

/Rbn

Some interesting trivia:

CS actually = Combi Sedan

CD = Corps Diplomatique

The "E" just meant Executive, meaning a higher luxury trim.