I'm going to get her running this week!!!

[snoborderphx]

So, I'm going to run around and get her running this week, if it's the last thing I do!!! So, I've decided that I'm going to get her running perfectly.

Before, I noticed the ?sensetronic? fuse was gone, so I replaced it, but the battery is dead. I'm going to get it recharged today and see if she starts there. Would this cause a no-spark issue if not plugged it? I can't remember off hand, but it's around fuse 3-4 or 12-13 or so.

I know that I need a new fuel pump. Does anyone know where I can get one for a great price? Slightly or lightly used is fine with me. I'm determined to get it fixed this week. She has been sitting now for over 3 months and she needs to be back on the road. Any advice would be great on getting her running again.

Thanks,
Sno

[Sleepy7666]

As far as I know... (which isn't much) the Sentronic is only for manual. Thats what I remember, because my 99, Automatic 9-3 Turbo SE is missing the fuse as well. Hopefully it's suppose to be missing......

[KaMiKaZi_t0M]

Sensonic is Saabs version of "Triptronic" or any other car that you can drive manually without a clutch pedal I believe. Unless your car has a sensonic transmision, you do not need a fuse in that bay.

[snoborderphx]

The car is a stick shift, but I believe the fuse was in there before. I wasn't able to get the battery charged today, BUT, I did order a new fuel pump, which will be shipped out tomorrow or Tuesday. I'm thinking I will order a new CPS, as I believe the one I got originally to replace the old one is bad. If that doesn't work, I think it's going to have to be the computer. So, I will shop for that one. Otherwise, what would cause no spark, but allow fuel? Immobilizer? That doesn't seem to be the problem.

Thanks,
Sno

[hkayssi]

a bad DIC. If you need a fuel pump and you have no spark, you probably have a bad CPS. diagnose it properly before paying for un necessary parts.

[jstrowe]

Originally Posted by snoborderphx

The car is a stick shift, but I believe the fuse was in there before.

Does it have a clutch pedal? If so, it is not a sensonic and the fuse does not connect to anything.

Originally Posted by snoborderphx

I'm thinking I will order a new CPS, as I believe the one I got originally to replace the old one is bad. If that doesn't work, I think it's going to have to be the computer. So, I will shop for that one. Otherwise, what would cause no spark, but allow fuel? Immobilizer? That doesn't seem to be the problem.

Thanks,
Sno

There is a spacer on the CPS. Sometimes the spacer gets stuck to the engine when the old one is removed. Then, there's two spacers on the CPS and it won't work. However, if there is no CPS signal, I don't believe that there will be any fuel either. However, an occasional CPS signal may keep the fuel pump going but not provide enough sparks to run the engine.

Are there any sparks at all? A few seconds after the ignition is shut off, there is a "shower of sparks" for a couple of seconds to clean the plugs. This is independent of the CPS operation. Does this happen?

John

[snoborderphx]

hkayssi, the DIC was manu'ed in 10/06; also, I tested it on another car that wouldn't start due to no spark (a suspect DIC), and his ran after installing this DIC. I think the DIC has MAYBE 20k on it. The DIC is good.

The fuel pump, I KNOW, is bad because when replacing with the other one that was certainly bad, we jumped the lines with a live wire, and it wouldn't turn. Then we tapped the assembly unit on the ground and the pump kicked on. Ergo, a bad unit!

But, what would be causing NO spark? Initially, we left the rings inside the block, then went back in and cleaned out the two rings. I don't have a Voltmeter to test resistance, but even then, it doesn't necessarily mean that the CPS is good or bad.

What about an ignition coil? It would start and run a bit, before it died, but it would only start cold, and wouldn't drive normal above like 2300 rpms. This is indicative of a failing CPS. So, I replaced the CPS. Then it still wouldn't start. So, I tested if it was fuel or spark, sprayed start fluid in the intake hose before the TB and it started right up, then died. So, I replaced it with the other fuel pump (that's when I found out it needed to be tapped) and now I hear the fuel pump, but I'm not getting spark.

Edit* jstrowe, there is no spark at all, and no sound when you turn the ignition "off" after trying to turn it over.

I need a Saab Guru!

Thanks,
Sno

[snoborderphx]

So no luck with the battery.

Could it be the immobilizer? What are the symptoms of a bad immobilizer? Would these symptoms be similar to an immobilizer problem? I'm ordering a new CPS in a few days, after I've eliminated everything else as a possible problem.

Thanks,
Sno

[Darren900]

Immobilizer causes a 'no-crank' situation. If your car cranks, then your immobilizer is not active.

[snoborderphx]

So, what would cause a no spark issue? I will pull the plugs and see if they're fouled or not. I know the CPS can cause this issue, any other culprits? I am going to be replacing the fuel pump on Sunday, but could a bad connection with the fuel pump pull spark? I would assume it would just stop the fuel pump.

Thanks,
Sno

[Darren900]

Get a multimeter and test the CPS before you go replacing the fuel pump. Always start with the cheap and easy fixes first.

[snoborderphx]

I already ordered the pump bc I know it's bad. It stops working intermittently, and sometimes will not even kick on. I got 2 used fuel pumps for $57 shipped, so I'm not complaining.

Also, the CPS is brand new. I BELIEVE, but I don't remember perfectly, that one of the CPS rings was missing when I installed it, but again, I can't verify. The car ran fine when we sprayed start fluid until there was nothing left for it to burn. It's just weird that it ran before the fuel pump replacement with starter fluid, but it won't run after...

Sno

[Darren900]

Doesn't matter if it's brand new, test it anyway.

[snoborderphx]

I just got the fuel pump in today, it's not the assembly, but the pump itself. I've got 2 Passat's to jump on tomorrow before 10:30am, then I'm off to volunteering, but I'll be getting on replacing the pump on Sunday.

Just keeping everyone updated.

Also, I haven't tested the cps.

Sno