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Old 22nd July 2003
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Default Key won't turn in ignition?!

Help! After having my car towed to the local muffler shop my mechanic called and told me he couldn't get the key to turn to the start position! I of course thought he was an idiot non/saab type who didn't have a clue...but low and behold I get there and it's true..the key will not turn past the Park setting!! It's like it's running into a wall or something...


Any ideas why this could have happened and how I can fix it?
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Old 22nd July 2003
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mine does this from time to time, I just take out the key and turn it 180 degrees so the opposite side is toward the center console and put it back in, I do that a few times and eventually it turns.
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is your car auto or manual?
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Old 22nd July 2003
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its manual...and ive tried everything to make it turn..
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is it in reverse?
if not try putting it in reverse then try turning the key
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Old 22nd July 2003
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yeah i've tried turning it while in reverse...neutral...first...everything
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usually you need to lift the ring put it in reverse then try turning the key
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I've had a similar problem on a Ford that was caused by having the steering wheel cranked one way or another and the pressure created by holding the tires actually prevented the ignition from turning.
I had to hold the steering wheel in the direction the wheels were pointed to release the lock.
I'm not sure if this pertains to the Saabs.
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not at all because saabs lock the transmission not the steering wheel, the only thing he could be doing is not putting the car in reverse properly
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Old 22nd July 2003
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not at all because saabs lock the transmission not the steering wheel, the only thing he could be doing is not putting the car in reverse properly
While it is in reverse, you could get him try to rock the car back and forward slighly, while you gently try to turn the key?

Might nudge the transmission lock enough.
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I dunno why, but every F*rd I come across has that problem.

even a brand-new F550 diesel cube van.

I don't know how one would get the key out with the car not in reverse. The C900 (and all key-on-floor Saabs and the column-shift old ones) lock the gearshift in reverse and do not lock the steering wheel. (right?) The 9000 locks the steering wheel and not the gearshift.

I'd just wiggle with the shift lever and the key and you should get it turning.

But, if the key can actually engage the parking position (ie, the headlamps work) then I would say something is wrong inside the cylinder as the gear lever should be unlocked in the P position.
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Old 22nd July 2003
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after a call to the local saab dealer they said that either some debris fell into the keyhole prohibiting it from turning to the right....or a gear inside it has been broken and it will cost around $300 including labor...?
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thats crap, pull the sucker out and fiddle with it yourself, also try what was suggested, put the car in reverse with the key in and slightly rock the car back and forth
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My dad's truck used to do this. (Ford) You would have to slam the steering wheel from side to side. I don't know how this would help if the steering wheel doesn't lock ... and the ignition is on the floor, but who knows.
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Old 23rd July 2003
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seriously, nothing is working.....i sit in futility in my car every day for 30 minutes trying different variations of turning key,shaking steering wheel,taking it in and out of gear,rocking car back and forth,trying in reverse,etc...


The key will not turn!!!


UGH
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you have no choice but pulling your center console out and removing the ignition cylinder
pull the black rubber ballet in fron of the shifter off, then raise the boot shifter and remove those 2 screws
next remove the passenger ashtray and take out those 2 screws as well, now you can just lift the center console off, but make sure you disconnect all the switches before you completely remove it
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Thanks..but after I remove the console....what then? What do I do with the cylinder? And what switches do I disconnect? Please bear with me...I've never done ANY of my own car repairs...
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well alright, you need to pop out your window switches, which is fairly easy just grab the plastic that holds them and pull it up you can then pull those off,
next when you have it about half high disconnect the light switch just in front of the dash,
when you get the ignition cylinder out you can see if the key still turns or if the lock is broken
disconnect the plugs from the ignition switch and try it to see if the electrical system keeps it locked or if its a mechanical failure,
if its mechanical you'll need to get a new one
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yeah i've tried turning it while in reverse...neutral...first...everything
Allright, this right here tells me your problem. You shouldn't be able to have the gearshift in first or any gear other than reverse when the key is in the off position. Your reverse lockout gears/spring have become knackered and are probably behind the key freeze. You'll have to remove the gear shift housing and give it a refurb.

http://www.thesaabsite.com/900old/c900ignition.htm

At the above link you can buy a reverse lockout gear set and a ignition lock cylinder (which may end up being the problem as well). Remote chance it is also the ignition switch itself. Unfortuntely you can't really tell until it's apart.
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How the heck did they tow it? flat tow on the road? front tires up? complete car on a flat bed truck?

If they didn't have the key available to put the car into neutral possibly they "broke" the pin that engages the tranny when they winched it up the flatbed? Of course, the tires would have to be skidding the entire time, but I have seen tow truck drivers who are careless.

Hopefully this is not the case.
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