PCV update #6

[lvenberg]

My 01 4 cyl does not have this update. During a recent inspection at a Saab dealer the repair order shows
"Inspect PCV system for needed updates, includes inspect oil seperator and crankcase vent hose routing, flow test system and record results." $27.00

I know this is an easy fix. Any thoughts on doing this or just leave as is.

Thanks,
Larry

[Chris 9-5]

Simple one this..................................DO IT

[toxicavenger]

also don't buy the parts from the dealer they will charge you alot for it! I think the first update I did on my first Saab 4 years ago was around $110.

[rcase13]

I have asked two different dealers and both have have said that I do not need it. I have a feeling that after the Saab CPO warrenty runs out they will suddenly change their minds...

2003 9-5 2.3t Linear

[Chris 9-5]

The Saab dealer will tell you that 2007 cars have a 2 year oil change interval too

[rcase13]

On a whim I called the dealer and was told the update didn't apply to my vehicle. It only applies to older vehicles. It has been quite awhile since I called. Good to know the story hasn't changed! I'm really glad to hear my car has the latest stuff!

[jonneh]

I did the update on my MY03 Aero, it didn't have it but it wasn't CPO either. I thought the easiest way to check for yourself was to remove the plastic cover around the oil filler neck and check that. If there is a vent tube coming off the side of that it is update #6. If not it's something else.

I got all the stuff a year ago now from eEuroparts.com for ~$115
1 PVC Update Kit (55561200) - $47.70
1 Crankcase vent hose (to oil trap) (9188806) - $24.12
1 Crankcase vent hose(exits bottom of oil trap) (9172115) - $13.86
1 PVC Check Valve with Hose (9399973) - $29.52

That's the parts I ordered at the time, let me know if I'm wrong gents.

[Hoagie]

Originally Posted by rcase13

I have asked two different dealers and both have have said that I do not need it. I have a feeling that after the Saab CPO warrenty runs out they will suddenly change their minds...

2003 9-5 2.3t Linear

I was told by the dealer I didn't need it either. Since I have only 17k miles, I am going to do 5k oil changes ( I do 100 miles highway daily) from here on out and go from there.

[Chris 9-5]

I dont see how the cars mileage affects the fact that saab have produced an update to improve a flawed system...........

But all we can ever do here is make recommendations and offer opinions........

[Hoagie]

Originally Posted by Chris 9-5

I dont see how the cars mileage affects the fact that saab have produced an update to improve a flawed system...........

But all we can ever do here is make recommendations and offer opinions........

Because it looks like the previous oil changes were done on time, according to the print up I got from the dealer. I thought long/ high mile oil changes were a major part of the sludge problem. I also thought the PCV design flaw was fixed by MY04. I have gathered this information off of this forum.

I am not discounting what you are saying. I am obviously a new owner. But I am looking for clarification amongst the different viewpoints.

[toxicavenger]

Hey bro in all honesty I don't think it was one particular thing that caused the sludge issues. I think I have even read before that some people who had there oil done at every 3k still had sludge issues. Also you never know exactly date wise on when the factory started to do the updates of the PVC system. I have run into the issue with other cars that half way thru a production year the manufacture changed to a different style part. So what Chris is getting at is to check your own car and see if has the update so you are covered. If you think a dealer is always going to tell you the correct thing then you are wrong. And what if it hasn't been updated and you engine goes south on you? Can't blame the dealer because I am sure they have all there bases cover. SO for your own good just check your car, if not well good luck.

[Hoagie]

Thanks. Information on this issue can be confusing. I will check for the update. I do know that Genuinesaab.com lists the update for vehicle MY 99-03. Anybody know exactly when this update came out?

[Shinnes]

1. What does PV6 uptade help?
2. Does droping the sump/clean helps with sludge problem?

[lvenberg]

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=129153

I hope this helps.... my saab story.
Lv

[toxicavenger]

also the stock rubber lines are usually in bad shape on your PVC system so it is a good thing just to do it so those are okay. mine were really soft and mushy. I also had one that fell apart in my hand. so that is more than enough reason for me to update mine.

[alexofc69]

Had mine done today. The 2 other lines that dont come with the kit were bad and the vacuum lines to the throttle body were falling apart. The car actually feel better now too!

[bkrell]

Yes, the PCV system was revised by 2004. I have said this many times. However..... I was just digging around and see that Saab upgraded the upgraded factory system again for 05..... Not sure if the need was as dire or not. Looks like they basically performed one of the same upgrades that was applied to prior year models. So I guess you could, for an extra margin of safety upgrade the 04. You just would have to get an extra/different/additional hose for it to replace that new connection to the block.

I would recommend with any 9-5 through at LEAST 03 that the upgrade #6 kit be installed. Looks like upgrading the 04 might be worth considering as well. Either way synth changes at 5-6k miles max are a necessity. We have debated cause over and over. But the domino that seems to have tripped the other ones in motion seems to be the PCV. No doubt, exacerbated with "normal" oil change interval set to 10k miles.


See here for a history of the PCV system up to the 05 model year, which doesn't include upgrade #6.

http://www.mitt-eget.com/saab/information_ccv_en.shtml

[Al's Red Wagon]

Originally Posted by toxicavenger

also don't buy the parts from the dealer they will charge you alot for it! I think the first update I did on my first Saab 4 years ago was around $110.

I got all the stuff a year ago now from eEuroparts.com for ~$115
1 PVC Update Kit (55561200) - $47.70
1 Crankcase vent hose (to oil trap) (9188806) - $24.12
1 Crankcase vent hose(exits bottom of oil trap) (9172115) - $13.86
1 PVC Check Valve with Hose (9399973) - $29.52

Toxic - Looks like you might have gotten a deal.... Those Eeuro prices look accurate

[toxicavenger]

Al, the only problem is I just got the update which didn't include the other hoses or the valve.

[Al's Red Wagon]

Originally Posted by toxicavenger

Al, the only problem is I just got the update which didn't include the other hoses or the valve.

True---I wish I made $70 an hour every time i played with my car.....