Eletrical Problem - VIDEO - Help

mmustillo · #1 03-06-08

This is my big big major problem:

Please watch the video.

Click on it :-)

Amy help?

Thanks

philb · #2 03-06-08

So, in this thread: http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=128641
About a week ago, you asked the same question, and now you make a video about it? The problem is not that the question was misunderstood, but that you failed to take any of the advice given. Its a really common problem on sedan c900's. A really common problem. That means it has happened to other people previously, with the same car as you! A search on this forum ( and google ) will turn up lots of results. Are you having problems using the search feature? Take the time to research the problem, understand it, and fix it.

mmustillo · #3 03-06-08

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Originally Posted by philb

So, in this thread: http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=128641
About a week ago, you asked the same question, and now you make a video about it? The problem is not that the question was misunderstood, but that you failed to take any of the advice given. Its a really common problem on sedan c900's. A really common problem. That means it has happened to other people previously, with the same car as you! A search on this forum ( and google ) will turn up lots of results. Are you having problems using the search feature? Take the time to research the problem, understand it, and fix it.

Hey,

I spent 8 h trying to fix the problem. 8hours.... in search i have no ideas on what key words to type in...

I am scared to drive, because it is dangerous...
Can you please give me all the possible information?

Thanks,
Mati

TooMany2cvs · #4 03-06-08

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Originally Posted by mmustillo

I spent 8 h trying to fix the problem. 8hours....

How? Six hours installing stick-on tat to the car, and two hours making and uploading the video?

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in search i have no ideas on what key words to type in...

Try reading the answers you've been already given.

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Can you please give me all the possible information?

Why bother? You won't read it.

mmustillo · #5 03-06-08

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Originally Posted by TooMany2cvs

How? Six hours installing stick-on tat to the car, and two hours making and uploading the video?

Try reading the answers you've been already given.

Why bother? You won't read it.

You think you are cool NOT to help a person huh?
You are a real man, arnt you..?

Give me the info and ill read it.

I did everything that i read and that i should do,
Well whatever, i guess if I crash due to my indicators not working and some old fag just trying to look cool.. your problem..

I want to fix this, I read so many things, but cant understand it all..

So please help... :-(

TooMany2cvs · #6 03-06-08

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Originally Posted by mmustillo

Give me the info and ill read it.

You've already been given it several times.

Do you want somebody to pop round and fix the earths for you?

philb · #7 03-06-08

If you don't understand the information, ask questions and the folks on here will only be too happy to clarify the terms and concepts used. Saying that you don't understand any of it doesn't help anyone.
Keywords for searching - well you have been given those. I just did a search for you, using the terms "cluster ground".
Found this thread:
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/sh...cluster+ground

Its a useful thread. Please read it.

mmustillo · #8 03-06-08

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Originally Posted by philb

If you don't understand the information, ask questions and the folks on here will only be too happy to clarify the terms and concepts used. Saying that you don't understand any of it doesn't help anyone.
Keywords for searching - well you have been given those. I just did a search for you, using the terms "cluster ground".
Found this thread:
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/sh...cluster+ground

Its a useful thread. Please read it.

Thanks a lot for that, will try that tomorrow also.

Just tell me, Regarding this problem,
Do you think that when I press the brake peddal and my head lights turn on and my fuel gaugue goes up to the middle is related to the rear ground problem?

mati

philb · #9 03-06-08

If you read that thread in full, you'll find a very helpful link that describes how to fix the rear light cluster grounding problem. Since the problem causes electricity to follow incorrect paths, its quite possible that its causing other problems also. But you won't know until you try and fix it. Its impossible for someone on the other side of the world to make definite statements. You'll have to follow a process of elimination. If you fix the rear ground problems, you'll certainly have solved one problem, then move on to the next.

AUSSIE900 · #10 03-06-08

Mati , very recently I formed an opinion that you were finally starting to read and absorb and learn , hence I started to again try and assist you as best I could when I could.

I think your earthing issue was the post that I decided to yet again try and assist a young kid that was enthisastic re his car , despite the fact that he had proven to be very insulting .

I see from your comments in this thread , to yet another memeber who has gone out of there way over a long period of time to assist your continual mundane repeated questions , that this is not the case .

Dont try laying guilt trips on people here , IF your car is unroadworthy and unsafe to drive , and the fault is beyond your ability to comprehend , then take it to a professional , or the other choice is to stop wasting everyones F***** time , read the info you are given and fix the bloody thing .

Remove the cluster , assembly , whatever you want to call it , FIND the earth track on the board , it will be the only one that will go to every lampholder ,
get your drill and a 1/8 drill bit .. DRILL a hole in that track , get a piece of cable a metre will do . attach a LUG to either end Put one end under the self tapper you insert into the hole you just drilled . PUT the other end to a good earth pont on body , there is a point for the earths on the metal divider between the spare wheel and the storage area ... sorry If this isnt clear

mmustillo · #11 03-06-08

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE900

Remove the cluster , assembly , whatever you want to call it , FIND the earth track on the board , it will be the only one that will go to every lampholder ,
get your drill and a 1/8 drill bit .. DRILL a hole in that track , get a piece of cable a metre will do . attach a LUG to either end Put one end under the self tapper you insert into the hole you just drilled . PUT the other end to a good earth pont on body , there is a point for the earths on the metal divider between the spare wheel and the storage area ... sorry If this isnt clear

Thanks for the info, I will do that as soon as I can, but i absolutely do not understand how this is related to all the problems i have, But as in the comment before, it does something to the eletrical circuit.
So that makes sence. - will fix soon.

Thanks for now for all the good help :-)

Mati

TooMany2cvs · #12 03-06-08

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Originally Posted by mmustillo

but i absolutely do not understand how this is related to all the problems i have

You would if you read the threads.

In short. Electricity needs a complete circuit to flow. It flows from battery to switch to light bulb to the shared earth circuit on the light cluster. From there, it SHOULD flow via the earth connection back to the car body and to the battery. But it can't, because that earth path is no good.

So it finds an alternate route. Which is via other bulbs, and into their circuits to their earths. Which causes the christmas tree effect...

mmustillo · #13 03-06-08

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Originally Posted by TooMany2cvs

You would if you read the threads.

In short. Electricity needs a complete circuit to flow. It flows from battery to switch to light bulb to the shared earth circuit on the light cluster. From there, it SHOULD flow via the earth connection back to the car body and to the battery. But it can't, because that earth path is no good.

So it finds an alternate route. Which is via other bulbs, and into their circuits to their earths. Which causes the christmas tree effect...

That helped a lot. It makes perfect sence now.
I will figure it all out.

But what i maybe think the problem is, is the relay. but will do the grounds first.

Thanks.

TooMany2cvs · #14 03-06-08

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Originally Posted by mmustillo

But what i maybe think the problem is, is the relay.

It.
Is.
Not.
A.
Relay.
Problem.

AUSSIE900 · #15 03-06-08

Mati .. ever follow a car and see tail lights dim when they put brakes on ? or a blinker dull when they touch brakes ? Or a trailer being towed with odd light behaviour ? same deal , Bad earths . Electricity is not selective , it follows the path of least resistance .

Whether your bad taillight earth will fix all your electrical problems is unknown , and will remain unknown till you fix it .

You are obviously capable with wiring ( gauges neons etc ) this will take you 5 minutes to fix , seriously .

IronJoe · #16 03-06-08

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Originally Posted by mmustillo

That helped a lot. It makes perfect sence now.
I will figure it all out.

But what i maybe think the problem is, is the relay. but will do the grounds first.

Thanks.

As said previously, many 2dr/4dr/convertible cars had the grounding problem. My vert did something similar shortly after I bought it.

This link should help you tremendously.
http://townsendimports.com/Web/elect...round4door.htm

Oh and thanks for posting the video. I've got a lot more sympathy for this guy now that I have attached a face to a name. I will attempt to be helpful

Grizzly · #17 03-06-08

Mati,

nice turbo badges on the car

Also, I can't help but notice

, did you have a little accident with a pole on the passenger side of your car (dent in door), and pushed inn metal above rear wheel arch?

See http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/e...t=DSC01262.jpg
Also, the link that I provided to you in your previous thread regarding your light cluster problem even had pictures showing you what you need to do. How much easier does it have to be? I'm thinking that maybe you are just lacking patience! However, surprisingly you don't have two left hands, you are able to do pretty impressive stuff, so go ahead and impress us ALL again, get going on this problem, and you will see, how easy it really is

Lukas

mmustillo · #18 06-06-08

You all are amazing..

Remember how I said that the rear cluster grounding has nothing to do with my eletrical problem.. Well i said i will try to do it anyway.

So i did, and guess what.. everything is fixed and took me just an hour and learnt many new things doing it..
You know what? I should just listen to you.

Here are some photos:

Here is the new ground, I just drilled it on one of the clusters.

Here I noticed on the ground pin that it was all meleted a bit. So i guess that was the problem.

Thanks to all.