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Old 2nd March 2008
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Also, for some reason, even though both companies have been bought by U.S. car companies, Saab is considered as being controlled by a lame U.S. corporation, whereas Volvo is still considered Swedish.

Its strange really.
That probably has to do with the fact that Ford treats Volvo like an independant entity that happens to be Ford-owned while GM seems to think of Saab as just another brand like Hummer, Pontiac, or Cadillac, another conduit through which to sell GM's.

Remember that most Volvos are still designed, engineered, and built by Volvo in Sweden with engines designed and built by Volvo in Sweden as well. Saabs since the 9-3ss on the other hand are designed by GM designers, engineered by GM Europe in Germany, and assembled in Trollhattan, using the Ecotec engine which is built in Tonawanda, NY and Germany, Italian-built diesels, and a V6 from Australia. Once production of everything but the 9-1 moves to Germany and Mexico just about the only ties that Saab will have to Sweden will be that sham of a "Saab brand center".

So the Swedes have a bit of a right to feel that Saab is no longer truly Swedish the way Volvo has managed to remain. The traditional Saab company has been dead for almost ten years now and there are serious questions about whether the frankenstein of a brand that GM has turned it into is capable of building the same quality cars that Saab was once known for.

As to Volvo styling, I love the old cars like the 1800ES, the 122, and the 140 series. I didn't like the 700's of the 80's with those low trunks, but I love the 700/900's styling after 1990. I also love the look of the 850, but hate the look of the original S70/V70, and especially the original C70. To me the old C70 is about as exciting visually as a Toyota Solara.

By far my favorite Volvos, both inside and out are the current crop starting with the original S80. They are exciting and distinctive looking, and to me they just ooze the kind of modern Scandinavian design that was so absent from the 9-3ss.

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I see those all the time and theres always someone who appears to be a serial killer behind the wheel.
Either that or their blasting Lynrd Skynrd, Guns 'N Roses or some other god awful music along those lines
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By far my favorite Volvos, both inside and out are the current crop starting with the original S80. They are exciting and distinctive looking, and to me they just ooze the kind of modern Scandinavian design that was so absent from the 9-3ss.
The S60R is a very nice looking car. Too bad they discontinued it.

The new S40 however has an odd stubby nose on it. Can't quite get into it, though it is a nice car to drive, and very spacious considering its size.
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Parked, or on ther road. I DO live near Harvard Sq.
It was parked.... I was roaming around looking for a parking spot and getting annoyed
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It was parked.... I was roaming around looking for a parking spot and getting annoyed
I do that every day after work
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Actually, I was referring to something more subtle that you wrote ...... oh, nevermind


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Um, let's not be sexist and bring female anatomy into this thread
Yes, I agree. Let's not make sexist comments about Volvo with their Mars/male gender symbol. It's good they use the "iron" mark to clarify things.
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I see those all the time and theres always someone who appears to be a serial killer behind the wheel.
Overheard on SC's super duper top secret phone tap channels:

[Boon94]: "Oh is this 911 ? Sweet. Um, could you like, round up ALL the law enforcement in the state immediately ? Wazzat ? yeah yeah I know half of 'em are on long donut & coffee breaks right now ..... but this is URGENT ! Please tell them to arrest anyone driving a black Buick GNX ? I mean ANYone, okaaaay ?!?

Great thanks, and a good night to you too m'aam"
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to answer and comment on some posts in this thread..(i'm a bit biased to the SAAB side though )

Talking about SAAB in Gothenburg is juts asking to be "beaten up" as the main capital of Volvo is Gotheburg (the history landmark). So if you live in Gothenburg (Gotham-borg ) and never driven a Volvo its really looked down upon.

But in general (in the general public mindset):

- Volvo was the base car for everybody (like VW in germany)
the public dream was "villa, volvo, vovve" (trans. small house, car and dog).
But most people couldnt afford the small house so they just lived in their flat with their kids and dog, and looked at the parked Volvo on the street.
Due to the early political climate the Volvo was the type for all working people. One of the nicknames for the volvo was "sosse-container", (transl. Commie-light (socialist) Container). Nowadays the price for a Volvo is so high so many regular families can't afford one. But the main buyer is the Companies.

- SAAB was the engineers car, the "smart man:s car", strange new technology, strange looking and not following the political views. A multifunctional individual car. So in many ways it was the total opposite of the Volvo.

Also SAAB is disliked in the papers... as i wrote earlier in an other thread.
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I know...i think the disliking is rooted too deep. i suspect that some of it was grounded when SAAB actually tried to prosecute a journalist of snapping some pictures of the prototype of the 9-5. The journalist sneaked into an airport hangar and pulled of the cover and took some pictures, but the charges of coorporate espionage didn't stick something about unlocked hangar and public area for airport personel or likewise. This SAAB "hate" can be seen in almost any paper... when Volvo is releasing a new car, all paper write about it in the real paper (daily section). But when SAAB does it, it might be in the once a week car section, and when it's written the news is already 2-3 weeks old.
The general view of SAAB (as i heard it from several sources) is:
- GM bought it and made it a "SOPEL" (trans. SOP short from sopa = garbage and OPEL from the car brand) I.e. a crappy OPEL (Vauxhall) its no good.

This started when the NG900 was launched. This mark hasn't really washed out since then. In general the OPEL(Vauxhall) was/is a car that rusts away fast in the swedish climate and can't be trusted. This "mark" comes from the early models and that can't either be cleansed.

The biggest missunderstandings is the incorrect mental-connection between the dealership and the brand SAAB. Most people in the large cities are angry at the big dealerships due to service and sales channels. Most people belive that the Dealership is the Brand it sells. And due to poor CRM, the large dealerships have sunken the brand SAAB. So if the "regular Joe" goes into the dealership, and wants to buy a car. He will be left standing if he doesent have a shirt and tie... in smaller towns this is not the case. But in Stockholm, Malmoe, or in Gothenburg where the largest sale is done, the sales departments sucks. Several of my friends have changed brand just due to this phenomena. And servicecosts has skyrocketed but the service grade has plummeted, for example, a service (30000 kms) on a SAAB 9-5 was last month $715 USD.Oil, Oilfilter, some water, the Filter for the internal air. and the work. nothing else. IMHO its a robbery!

And due to the missunderstanding most people are now hostile to the brand SAAB instead of the dealerships. As they dont know any better

And then working at GM SAAB has also changed ALOT since GM bought it.
From sources i know, working at the GM/plant are saying its getting worse by the minute. It's going from the Swedish "happy but efficient" industrial thinking, towards the US version "only cost-efficient" and work the people until they break attitude. By Swedish Law all people have right to have 25 working days vacation every year, with pay. This was not liked by GM...
But they can't do anything about it.
....more to come
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From a Swede on another forum I belong to in a thread about my car.


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SAAB 9-3 is a nice car, no doubt. Except we Swedes don't really think it's a special car(except the sports-version your buying, that's more exclusive), 'cause over here almost ever "Svensson"(John Doe) has one. But Sweden does make some kick-*** cars. Go SAAB, Volvo, Koenigsegg and Scania.
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Here's my take on the Swedish Volvo driver. Please don't take it seriously. Well, not all of it.

1. People who drives a Volvo does so because everyone else drives a Volvo.

2. People who drive Volvo most likely(read always) vote for the Social Democrats.

3. Aftonbladet is the preferable news paper. Robert Collin is "God".

4. There is only one position during sex. The missionary. Trying something different sounds scary, if not dangerous!

5. Deep down inside, there's something dark that clouds the overall positive feeling of driving a Volvo. The car is actually rather ugly.

6. In order to chase away this "dark" something, many a teenager has tried to improve on the design, only to have failed, again and again.

7. This has given rise to the saying, "To stylize a Volvo, is like putting make-up on a pig".

8. Every Swedish motor journalist have owned at least two Volvo 240/740 when they were teenagers, and they really tried to make them look hotter. Needless to say they failed.

9. In order to control their emotions they take out their rage and disappointment on Saab's.

Saab, a car they secretly wish they had bought instead.
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Back in my teens and 20's when I was tearing around on my RZ's on the Wet Coast here in Canada there were a fair amount of Volvo's. If you saw a Volvo on your bike you ran for your life in the opposite direction. At the time anyone in Canada who bought a Volvo did so because they were a terrible, terrified driver who thought the Volvo would save their life WHEN they crashed. Not IF. WHEN. Go near one on a bike and there was a pretty decent chance they'd kill you.

There's a lot more Volvos on the road these days and I don't ride on the street anymore. Coincidence????
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I thought the E85 Saab wagon was the best selling car in Sweden?
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I thought the E85 Saab wagon was the best selling car in Sweden?
Most/all manufacturers offer E85 versions in Scandi - and the fuel's available at most filling stations.
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Most/all manufacturers offer E85 versions in Scandi - and the fuel's available at most filling stations.
If there were even ONE e85 refueling station in my state, I'd consider getting the E85 conversion kit from BSR.

What I don't understand is why the E85 kit makes less power, when adding ethanol ought to boost the octane equivalent and allow for MORE power, not less...
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If there were even ONE e85 refueling station in my state, I'd consider getting the E85 conversion kit from BSR.

What I don't understand is why the E85 kit makes less power, when adding ethanol ought to boost the octane equivalent and allow for MORE power, not less...
Probably you are maxing out injector flow

I really liked the posts from the Swedes here

I guess the Saab in Gothenburg is like driving a Chevrolet in Dearborn
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I guess the Saab in Gothenburg is like driving a Chevrolet in Dearborn
I'm guessing Dearborn is

A) in Michigan, and

B) Ford country?

Sometimes you have to spell these things out to those of us who don't know Michigan
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I'm guessing Dearborn is

A) in Michigan, and

B) Ford country?

Sometimes you have to spell these things out to those of us who don't know Michigan
Henry Ford was born in Dearborn
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I'm guessing Dearborn is

A) in Michigan, and

B) Ford country?

Sometimes you have to spell these things out to those of us who don't know Michigan
Yes on both counts

Thar she blows, Ford global HQ in Dearborn:
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GM = Detroit

FORD = Dearborn

CHRYSLER = Auburn Hills
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