manual gearbox oil - SaabCentral Forums
*
Home Saab Pictures Saab Classifieds Saab Dealer Listings Saab Forum Saab Forum


Go Back   SaabCentral Forums > Saab 9000 > 9000 Workshop

9000 Workshop 9000 (1985-1998) Technical Forum

SaabCentral.com is the premier Saab Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 6th November 2007
saabfan9's Avatar
saabfan9 saabfan9 is offline
Saab Crazy
 
Join Date: Oct 2007                                                
Location: Chicago
My Saabs: 1973 99 EMS..2003 9-5 AERO..1984 900s..
Posts: 615
Default manual gearbox oil

just a feeler to see what brand/type of manual trans fluid anyone recomends..do to change fluid before winter
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2  
Old 6th November 2007
John Z Williams John Z Williams is offline
Vendor
 
Join Date: Oct 2005                                                
Location: Boulder Colorado
My Saabs: JZWTUNING.COM 10 Sec Saabs
Posts: 4,835
Default

You should try and figure out which saab fluid or what you have in there now and try to use the same thing. You don't want to flush them all the time. You should flush it out 3-4 times or so when you switch to another type of oil. I like the new oe saab fluid. Some like some of the redline manal transmission fluid.

Good Luck,

John
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #3  
Old 6th November 2007
Thirsty9000's Avatar
Thirsty9000 Thirsty9000 is offline
Saab Crazy
 
Join Date: Apr 2007                                                
Location: Arizona, USA
My Saabs: `94 9000 CSE auto
Posts: 987
Exclamation Hijack alert!

My aftermarket transmission cooler has started leaving a puddle under my car. So I have been looking at getting the stock trans cooler and putting it on. I will have to add fluid. It's an automatic. What ATF is highly reccommended by the SAAB gurus. I'm not averse to doing a triple flush. I paid more to replace the trans than I did for the car, so I'll do what it takes to make it last as long as possible. Although the "SAAB" ATF at $16-$18 a quart can leave a grown man shaking in his boots.
__________________
Best way to get rid of tailgaters: Use the Turbo!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #4  
Old 6th November 2007
saabfan9's Avatar
saabfan9 saabfan9 is offline
Saab Crazy
 
Join Date: Oct 2007                                                
Location: Chicago
My Saabs: 1973 99 EMS..2003 9-5 AERO..1984 900s..
Posts: 615
Default

thirsty... i used ford type f fluid on my 95 cse auto and have nothing but good things to say...never any trans problems even though saabs seem to have a bad rep. when it comes to auto boxes
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #5  
Old 7th November 2007
yaofeng's Avatar
yaofeng yaofeng is offline
Saab Lunatic
 
Join Date: Jun 2005                                                
Location: New Jersey, USA
My Saabs: '94 9kcs, 9kcde, '95 9kcse, all turbo
Posts: 1,662
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by saabfan9
just a feeler to see what brand/type of manual trans fluid anyone recomends..do to change fluid before winter
10w40 dino. Or you can spend up to $30 a qt for the SAAB specific synthetic gear box oil. It takes almost two quarts (1.8l), more for 93 and prior models.
__________________
AIM:yaofeng4249
'94 cs, '94cde, '95cse, all turbo and 5 speed all gone,
4 bimmers now '95 525i, '94 540it/6, '01 540it, '03 325i
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #6  
Old 8th November 2007
saabfan9's Avatar
saabfan9 saabfan9 is offline
Saab Crazy
 
Join Date: Oct 2007                                                
Location: Chicago
My Saabs: 1973 99 EMS..2003 9-5 AERO..1984 900s..
Posts: 615
Default

just a good 10-30 winter (10-40 summer) i change trans fluid at every oil change (it is just oil and breaks down)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #7  
Old 8th November 2007
Jim Mesthene's Avatar
Jim Mesthene Jim Mesthene is offline
Saabista
 
Join Date: Feb 2006                                                
Location: Waltham, MA
My Saabs: Wife's 9-3
Posts: 10,038
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by saabfan9
...i change trans fluid at every oil change (it is just oil and breaks down)
Oil changes are not required for manual transmissions...ever.
Not just my 2 cents, SAAB has never required transmission oil changes for manual gearboxes, except at the 1000 mile service on 900s and 99s.
I worked at dealers that changed transmission oil at 30k intervals, and at dealers that followed SAAB's recommendations. There was no difference in the number of transmission failures observed in the many hundreds of new cars I watched grow old.
__________________
Young boy to his mother, who has just brought a book about Australia upstairs to read to him: " What did you bring that book that I didn't want to be read to out of about Down Under up for?"

Last edited by Jim Mesthene; 8th November 2007 at 11:29 AM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #8  
Old 8th November 2007
justin.graeff justin.graeff is offline
Saab Lunatic
 
Join Date: May 2007                                                
Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan
My Saabs: 2000 9-5 Aero
Posts: 1,173
Default

yeah, he's right. You don't ever need to change your oil on the manual gearbox. The autobox is a different story, but not on your manual transmission.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #9  
Old 8th November 2007
Thirsty9000's Avatar
Thirsty9000 Thirsty9000 is offline
Saab Crazy
 
Join Date: Apr 2007                                                
Location: Arizona, USA
My Saabs: `94 9000 CSE auto
Posts: 987
Default

What is the recommended change interval for the auto?
__________________
Best way to get rid of tailgaters: Use the Turbo!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #10  
Old 9th November 2007
saabfan9's Avatar
saabfan9 saabfan9 is offline
Saab Crazy
 
Join Date: Oct 2007                                                
Location: Chicago
My Saabs: 1973 99 EMS..2003 9-5 AERO..1984 900s..
Posts: 615
Default

sorry just anal about maint (oil changes every 1000.tune ups every 15000.just silly i guess)..it is just oil and goes through just as much abuse besides i work at a dealer so it doesn't cost me
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #11  
Old 9th November 2007
michaLcoughliN michaLcoughliN is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2007                                                
Location: Burlington Ontario
My Saabs: 03' Saab 9-3SS linear
Posts: 632
Default

Are you people stunned? your telling me you dont have to ever change your gearbox oil? ROFL!. thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

Then why do they sell it? Why does "saab" differ then any other manual tranny service?

Think of it logically. The oil lubricates your tranny, heat breaks down oil inside tranny, breaks down to a point of no more lubrication properties. Then Wear and tear on tranny starts.

All fluids break down in time. Hense "oil change" . And all fluids should be changed on a vehicle. I change my transmission oil on all my past cars every 40k . And for $50 for tranny oil to service, I think ill change my oil and prevent blowing up a tranny and save my wallet $2000.

My 2 cents
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #12  
Old 9th November 2007
yaofeng's Avatar
yaofeng yaofeng is offline
Saab Lunatic
 
Join Date: Jun 2005                                                
Location: New Jersey, USA
My Saabs: '94 9kcs, 9kcde, '95 9kcse, all turbo
Posts: 1,662
Default

I do change the gear box oil occasionally, maybe around 60k miles. Sooner if I happen to remove the drive train to do whatever. Nothing is life time. I don't like the fact the old oil in the 9k gear box becomes black even after 10k miles. Whereas that in my BMW and the Honda I had was clear as honey even after 100k miles. I heard the SAAB synthetic maintain the same consistency and color after use. But I am not ready to shell out $60 to do an oil change when I can do $3.
__________________
AIM:yaofeng4249
'94 cs, '94cde, '95cse, all turbo and 5 speed all gone,
4 bimmers now '95 525i, '94 540it/6, '01 540it, '03 325i
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #13  
Old 9th November 2007
Jim Mesthene's Avatar
Jim Mesthene Jim Mesthene is offline
Saabista
 
Join Date: Feb 2006                                                
Location: Waltham, MA
My Saabs: Wife's 9-3
Posts: 10,038
Default

There's no rule that says you can't change tha oil; as I mentioned, some dealers do it routinely. I'm just saying that SAAB says it's not necessary and my observations over decades agree that there's no advantage to it.
I might change the oil on a newly aquired one just to make sure it had the right stuff (10w-30 motor oil) in it. Regular transmission oil changes however, are a waste of money and petro-chemicals.
Transmission oil does not "break down" like motor oil because it does not face the heat stresses and acid buildup that are products of combustion; there is no comparison between the two.
__________________
Young boy to his mother, who has just brought a book about Australia upstairs to read to him: " What did you bring that book that I didn't want to be read to out of about Down Under up for?"
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #14  
Old 9th November 2007
saabfan9's Avatar
saabfan9 saabfan9 is offline
Saab Crazy
 
Join Date: Oct 2007                                                
Location: Chicago
My Saabs: 1973 99 EMS..2003 9-5 AERO..1984 900s..
Posts: 615
Default

thanks guys i thought i was the only person servicing my trans...hey when the time comes to move on rest assured i've done all maint.....10 minutes for a piece of mind
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #15  
Old 10th November 2007
Superaero Superaero is offline
Saab Lunatic
 
Join Date: May 2005                                                
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
My Saabs: 1997 Aero manual
Posts: 3,145
Default

Dirt is the number one enemy of transmissions. Every time you change the oil you risk contaminating the gearbox.

Engine oil is very durable stuff and a transverse transmission does not require oil changes. Even the older transmissions and final drives with hypoind gear oil often did not specify oil changes. Manual transmissions are not hard on oil unless you are ard on the transmission and grind the synchros or dogs.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #16  
Old 10th November 2007
abusot abusot is offline
SaabNut!
 
Join Date: May 2004                                                
Posts: 292
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by saabfan9
thanks guys i thought i was the only person servicing my trans...hey when the time comes to move on rest assured i've done all maint.....10 minutes for a piece of mind
Anecdotal evidence- Before I replaced the clutch, I had unmistakeable gear whine in 1st and 2nd. When I replaced the clutch, I turned the tranny upside down and drained all the oil out of it. The oil that came out was near the viscosity of water. I refilled it with 10-40W and afterwards there was absolutely no gear whine.

Now you can argue that the tranny works well when it whines and with oil as thin as water, but I'm going to change mine regularly.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #17  
Old 10th November 2007
ylee coyote ylee coyote is offline
Saab Crazy
 
Join Date: Sep 2002                                                
Location: Trossachs
My Saabs: Turbo X ,500 hp 9000,900 T16s
Posts: 593
Default

sorry but ...
The 9000 box is pretty good but the aero stresses it somewhat,modify it and it stresses it even more
I put dyno oil in after one re-build
after 2,000 miles it starts to whine at 4 k I changed to a Royal Purple racing oil
the dino oil that came out was as black as the ace of spades ..
only thing that will do that is excessive heat
Ok I am at the extreme but I think it is quite prudent to change the oil at regular intervals on a standard car and pretty regularly if running more boost
__________________
9000 aero stg 7 266k miles 500 hp six speed !
9000 cs 2.0 stage 6 350 hp track slag
900 t16s classic 184k
9-3ss 2009 turboX sportwagon 69,000 miles
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #18  
Old 11th November 2007
boxman's Avatar
boxman boxman is offline
Saab on the Brain!
 
Join Date: Nov 2003                                                
Location: south west_UK
My Saabs: 9-3 SS Aero TTiD + 9-3 SV Aero
Posts: 7,970
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Mesthene
Oil changes are not required for manual transmissions...ever.

sorry but i dont agree with this at all, yes saab say you dont need to change the gearbox oil as do many other manufacturers, but just imagine the stresses the gearbox puts the oil under, there isnt an oil anywhere capable of that kind of stress over 100000 miles, i say change it, if nothing else it will make the gear changes smoother.


ps i use dexron 3 transmission fluid in my manual box
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #19  
Old 17th January 2012
bosruten bosruten is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005                                                
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
My Saabs: 95 9000cse 97 9000 aero
Posts: 190
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by boxman View Post
sorry but i dont agree with this at all, yes saab say you dont need to change the gearbox oil as do many other manufacturers, but just imagine the stresses the gearbox puts the oil under, there isnt an oil anywhere capable of that kind of stress over 100000 miles, i say change it, if nothing else it will make the gear changes smoother.


ps i use dexron 3 transmission fluid in my manual box
How does one change fluid on a '97 aero manual? I'm all set to attempt this feat!
__________________
Faster Horses, Younger Women, Older Whiskey, More Money
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #20  
Old 17th January 2012
Superaero Superaero is offline
Saab Lunatic
 
Join Date: May 2005                                                
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
My Saabs: 1997 Aero manual
Posts: 3,145
Default

"just imagine the stresses a gearbox puts the oil under". You can't.

The engineers actually test these things and write the servicing spec accordingly.

Engine oil is good stuff. You cannot lubricate an engine with transmission oil. You can lubricate a transmission with engine oil. The abuse the engine oil gets inside the running engine in no way compares to the easy life that same oil lives inside a transverse gearbox.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Bookmarks

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SaabCentral Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:33 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

top of page | sitemap | email us



copyright © 2003 - 2011 saabcentral.com, All rights reserved http://www.whiter.co.uk - valid xhtml - valid css
SaabCentral is an independently run website and is not affiliated in any way to Saab Automobile AB.


Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.