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hi guys i have a 2001 83 aero and have been reading some threads about intercoolers but have had know clear answer

i want to change my stock intercooler i want to put the biggest one i can without havin to move the ac or if possible move it somewhere else. i wanted to put this one (this sized)

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/CoolingPro-60...QQcmdZViewItem

or should i get this one in

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/CoolingPro-55...QQcmdZViewItem

there is one with a 2.5 inch inlets

will these be better than the stock one? if not are there different ones i can buy thats not from abbot racing?

will they be able to be simply swapped or bolted on? what will i need to do to fit them in?

also when i change the intercooler i will want to do what a lot of my other friends have done to there turbo cars. i want to put the air flow meter in the intercooler piping and remove the pipe which comes from the turbo and air filter and put a small custom filter on the turbo to make it dose louder. will the computer let me do this or will i need it re tuned? i have a t7 comp

all responses appreciated
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I'm no intercooler expert, but if you want the absolute biggest intercooler that you can drop into your car and that will take little to no modification, go with an ETS, which is 24x8x3.5, if I remember correctly, or Jak Stoll's which is 20x8x3.5. As for your other questions, I'll let others address them.
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The first one will need some major mods to fit.
At least you'll have to cut the aluminum crash beam inside the bumper if you are going to keep the AC condensor in place, also a new oil cooler would make the installation easier since the stock one will interfier some what.

The second one has a bit better measurements so fitting would be a bit easier.

I'n not quite sure I'm following with what you want to do to the MAF and put a filter on the turbo?
Where exactly do you want to move the MAF? To the pressure side? And all of this because you want to run a atmospheric blow-off valve, am I right?
It's not worth the effort. First of all you'll need a re-tune to the ECU and second it will still be extremely difficult to make it run smoothly with a open blow-off.
There are a few in Sweden who have done this but the reasons have been a bit different then just wanting to sound cool
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Why do you want to put on a open air intake if I may ask?
Powerwise the stock intake with stock paper filter flows more then enough air for +400hp

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I'm no intercooler expert, but if you want the absolute biggest intercooler that you can drop into your car and that will take little to no modification, go with an ETS, which is 24x8x3.5, if I remember correctly, or Jak Stoll's which is 20x8x3.5. As for your other questions, I'll let others address them.
i am in australia are these intercoolers available to me without a credit card? thanks
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The first one will need some major mods to fit.
At least you'll have to cut the aluminum crash beam inside the bumper if you are going to keep the AC condensor in place, also a new oil cooler would make the installation easier since the stock one will interfier some what.

The second one has a bit better measurements so fitting would be a bit easier.

I'n not quite sure I'm following with what you want to do to the MAF and put a filter on the turbo?
Where exactly do you want to move the MAF? To the pressure side? And all of this because you want to run a atmospheric blow-off valve, am I right?
It's not worth the effort. First of all you'll need a re-tune to the ECU and second it will still be extremely difficult to make it run smoothly with a open blow-off.
There are a few in Sweden who have done this but the reasons have been a bit different then just wanting to sound cool
so buying the second one will be wiser? will i be able to boost it more after that? much performance gain with the cooler? which one will fit the 2.25 inch inlets or the 2.5?

i want to put the maf into the intercooler pipe which runs to the turbo this way i can take the airfilter off and that pipe which comes off the side of the turbo. im not quite sure about the other pros and cons of it but i want to make it really loud and this was suggested????????

thanks heaps
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I'm sorry but you should really get to know your car first and how everything works, what you just said makes no sense at all.

The Trionic 7 engine management is very advanced and you simply can't go on doing generic mods that you friends do to their japs or what ever, it just wont work.
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I'm sorry but you should really get to know your car first and how everything works, what you just said makes no sense at all.

The Trionic 7 engine management is very advanced and you simply can't go on doing generic mods that you friends do to their japs or what ever, it just wont work.
thanks. thats why i was asking because it did not sound right when i was told.

sorry to ask again but the smaller intercooler is the btter one to buy? easier to install?
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hi guys i have a 2001 83 aero and have been reading some threads about intercoolers but have had know clear answer

i want to change my stock intercooler i want to put the biggest one i can without havin to move the ac or if possible move it somewhere else. i wanted to put this one (this sized)

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/CoolingPro-60...QQcmdZViewItem

or should i get this one in

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/CoolingPro-55...QQcmdZViewItem

there is one with a 2.5 inch inlets

will these be better than the stock one? if not are there different ones i can buy thats not from abbot racing?

will they be able to be simply swapped or bolted on? what will i need to do to fit them in?

also when i change the intercooler i will want to do what a lot of my other friends have done to there turbo cars. i want to put the air flow meter in the intercooler piping and remove the pipe which comes from the turbo and air filter and put a small custom filter on the turbo to make it dose louder. will the computer let me do this or will i need it re tuned? i have a t7 comp

all responses appreciated

Hey, okay fist I would tell you that although ebay intercoolers can be convenient, and usually well priced, a lot of the time they wont perform as well as some of the other, more expensive ones. This is mostly because size isn't the only factor in whether or not one i/c is better than another, the cores themsleves are can be vasltly different, and will cool the air in different ways.

Two i/c I would tell you to look at are the Forge i/c http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/p...roducts_id=418

And the MP performance one (which is the one I chose)
http://www.mpperformance.com/catalog...34a0026dff5d85
I got lucky and found the MP on ebay for $50 less than it's listed there, keep your eyes out for that to.
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The other issue with what you want to do is the new placement ofr your MAF. The problem with that is your car is T7 managed, which is nice except for th fact that T7 cars tend to be a bit more picky with what you can do to them. The way the Mass Air Flow Sensor works on our vehicles is to measure the incoming air before it gets boosted by the turbo, meaning that you can not move the MAF anywhere after the turbo, which unfortunatly includes putting it in the i/c piping. I know a lot of other tuners do this on other cars, because it can technically let the air get through the MAF, and there is a company that makes a less restrictive MAF for our cars. To be honest with you though, for the money, it really isn't worth it, and it wont give you much more power anyways, there are tons of other mods you should be looking at if you do plan to go that route.

Another point about the i/c that I forgot to ask you.... do you know whether or not your car is a HOT model?
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The other issue with what you want to do is the new placement ofr your MAF. The problem with that is your car is T7 managed, which is nice except for th fact that T7 cars tend to be a bit more picky with what you can do to them. The way the Mass Air Flow Sensor works on our vehicles is to measure the incoming air before it gets boosted by the turbo, meaning that you can not move the MAF anywhere after the turbo, which unfortunatly includes putting it in the i/c piping. I know a lot of other tuners do this on other cars, because it can technically let the air get through the MAF, and there is a company that makes a less restrictive MAF for our cars. To be honest with you though, for the money, it really isn't worth it, and it wont give you much more power anyways, there are tons of other mods you should be looking at if you do plan to go that route.

Another point about the i/c that I forgot to ask you.... do you know whether or not your car is a HOT model?
first thank you vey much for your efforts they are greatly appreciated. yesmy car is hot its a 93 aero i suppose this makes a big difference with the coolers?
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An aero..... I should have looked at that sorry, Im not that familiar with them because Iv'e never actually seen one, but I assume it has the viggen intercooler like my 9-3 HOT does, in which case everything I said is still relevent.
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