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yeah i was wondering about the parts company as well since they were excluded...
Parts company is owned by Swedish Govt.
I would guess they would take the plant in Sweden and move it to China.
Electric cars do not scare me, as if now there are cars that do 125 mph, 0-60 in 3.7 and distance of 240 miles, there are also electric cars with fuel cells to power the electric motor when your not charging at home or charging point.
When driving they get around 220 plus MPG.
So if you compare to the new small electric cars made for the city, you are not doing a fair comparison.
Check out the Tesla 300+ HP (if you have $100k USD) fast, performance and distance.
Or the Honda Clarity FCX (135?HP) Fuel Cell Electric car.
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what they couldn't tarnish a lesser known car brand??? I almost had to look at the date to make sure it wasn't april fool's.Make a lineup of entirely electric cars which already don't sell worth crap on a nearly decade old platform that was crap to start with????
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Saab will be dead (again) shortly.
Possibly. Or if they can pull it off, hopefully they can make a comeback.
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on a nearly decade old platform that was crap to start with????
Say it like it is
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n January, Sweden’s Debt Office became Saab’s biggest creditor when it repaid some €217m of a €400m loan the European Investment Bank made to Saab. In April, a summary of Saab’s balance sheet showed the company had debts of 13bn kronor ($1.9bn) and assets of around 3.6bn kronor. However, Saab’s debts did little to deter interest in the company. Around this time, Dagens Industri reported that Youngman had again offered to buy Saab for $470m, while it was also widely reported that Mahindra & Mahindra, India’s largest utility vehicle maker, was also interested in bidding for the company. However, both deals failed to bear fruit and on 13 June it was announced that National Modern Energy Holdings, an alternative energy group based in Hong Kong, and Japanese investment firm Sun Investment, collectively called Nevs, had agreed to buy Saab. Nevs planed to use the Swedish car maker’s manufacturing facilities in Sweden to develop and produce upmarket electric cars targeted at Chinese consumers.

The Swedish manufacturer would be entering a market that includes the Chevrolet Volt made by former Saab owner GM. While the value of the deal has not been disclosed, Nevs has moved cautiously and is only buying the main assets of Saab. The rights for the Saab 9-5 and 9-4X were not included in the deal as these are still covered by licences owned by GM. Meanwhile Saab’s spare parts business will continue to be owned by the Swedish government. Nevs plans to develop an electric car based on the Saab 9-3 using Japanese technology. This will be launched in 2013 or 2014 with marketing and sales focused on China, which Nevs say is set to become the “largest and most important electric vehicle market”. Mr Jiang will become chief executive of Nevs in due course.

However, while the Saab brand has been saved, the company’s workforce faces further distress. Initial plans for the business require only 200 staff, well below the 3700 Saab used to employ.

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Did Nevs get the rights to the Saab name as well?
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what they couldn't tarnish a lesser known car brand??? I almost had to look at the date to make sure it wasn't april fool's.Make a lineup of entirely electric cars which already don't sell worth crap on a nearly decade old platform that was crap to start with????
9-3 Platform was based on the NG 900 which was based on the OG900 which was based on the 99 which was based on the 96 etc.
A bit more than a decade but I dont think any of these were crap, yes quality went down with GM but I can tell you most cars out there are a lot worse and do not compare. But I understand...a lot of people said 99s were crap too.
Its more indicative of peoples opinion of Saab rather than their platforms.

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I believe NEVS got the name along with the 9-3 which was Saab's design whereas the 9-5 was GMs
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9-3 Platform was based on the NG 900 which was based on the OG900 which was based on the 99 which was based on the 96 etc.

......what?

The NG900 and the OG900 share abolsutely nothing in common other than name.
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......what?

The NG900 and the OG900 share abolsutely nothing in common other than name.
not true, although it is on a GM Opel Vectra platform, it retained is basic design.
Just as the OG 900 did comparing a 1979 to a 1993.
It also retained many of the 900 distinctive features, albeit degraded.
basic interior design as to drivers seating and positioning, instrumentation, options of open and or close the back seats. (fold down flat) Not many cars do that.
most importantly the kept the ignition switch in the right place.
Sadly the made the NG hood open up backwards, no longer as safe as the OG. nor could you open the hood while driving to help cool engine.
Yes it was a major change for the worse but it did remain a 900 and its body design basics where drawn from the OG 900 stuck onto a lower quality platform.
lastly yes they threw out the 45 degree engine. it was the worst move.
I have never had any real trouble with and slant engine.
without the OG900 there would not be the NG900
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not true, although it is on a GM Opel Vectra platform, it retained is basic design.
Just as the OG 900 did comparing a 1979 to a 1993.
It also retained many of the 900 distinctive features, albeit degraded.
basic interior design as to drivers seating and positioning, instrumentation, options of open and or close the back seats. (fold down flat) Not many cars do that.
most importantly the kept the ignition switch in the right place.
Sadly the made the NG hood open up backwards, no longer as safe as the OG. nor could you open the hood while driving to help cool engine.
Yes it was a major change for the worse but it did remain a 900 and its body design basics where drawn from the OG 900 stuck onto a lower quality platform.
lastly yes they threw out the 45 degree engine. it was the worst move.
I have never had any real trouble with and slant engine.
without the OG900 there would not be the NG900
When you refer to the OG900 are you talking about the C900? I have never heard of the OG900 before.
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Star Trek fans have a lot to answer for.

Shall we agree to drop the OG and stick with C
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When you refer to the OG900 are you talking about the C900? I have never heard of the OG900 before.
Yes I use OG instead of C.
I do this because I formerly owned a 1986 900C, a lot of people confuse the C900 with the 900C
I just assumed (made it up) that the 900C was because it was built by Valmet Auto Communists (C) instead of Socialists. (SE)
Loved the giant rubber mud floor mats and the crank windows.
so yes OG is C.
So the C900C was made by Valmet.
Or the OG900C was made by Valmet.
the 900CD was also made there (Communist Doctors?)
Have seen OG used many places, its the opposite of NG
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well that cleared up all the confusion............not
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well that cleared up all the confusion............not
the Saab 900C was made in Finland which was a communist country at that time. It was made by Valmet who also made Lada and some Renaults and weapons.
It was not made in Sweden like nearly all Saabs were.
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Are you saying that my 89 saab spg was not made by saab? Doesn't sound right to me.
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Are you saying that my 89 saab spg was not made by saab? Doesn't sound right to me.
No No not at all, SPG start with S so it must be Swedish socialists.
Not really sure why any Saabs were built in Finland but a few were.
Carburetor, crank windows nearly no options. very basic. Giant rubber floor mats.
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No No not at all, SPG start with S so it must be Swedish socialists.
Not really sure why any Saabs were built in Finland but a few were.
Carburetor, crank windows nearly no options. very basic. Giant rubber floor mats.
SPG stands for Special Performance Group, Not Swedish socialists. By the way, The saab 900 of this year is a Classic, C900 not Communist.
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SPG stands for Special Performance Group, Not Swedish socialists. By the way, The saab 900 of this year is a Classic, C900 not Communist.
Sorry... I know what SPG stands for, but is was still made by socialists.
whereas the 900C was made by communists in Uusikaupunki, Finland by the State owned communist factory group called Valmet. (formed to help pay the Soviets for damages from WWII)
Your SPG was made in Trollhatten, Sweden.
This was the confusion I spoke of, I had a 900C, you have a 900SPG both are (classic) C900's
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Sorry... I know what SPG stands for, but is was still made by socialists.
whereas the 900C was made by communists in Uusikaupunki, Finland by the State owned communist factory group called Valmet. (formed to help pay the Soviets for damages from WWII)
Your SPG was made in Trollhatten, Sweden.
This was the confusion I spoke of, I had a 900C, you have a 900SPG both are (classic) C900's
I know this thread has taken a turn in a different direction. How then can you tell the difference between the two types you are talking about, do they look the same and it is just a vin thing? This is an area I guess I need an education in.
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No sunroof is an outside clue, but yes they look the same just stripped down on inside and motor.
difference in VIN
YS3 is used for cars made in Sweden
YK1 is used for cars made in Finland
or position # 11 if its 6, 7 or 8 its from Finland.
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