Torque steer MY09 93ss - solutions?

[SP 7755]

Well it looks like I just have to get used to it veering to the R and reserve fun acceleration to quiet country roads...

No problems, we luv the car!

[colombo]

Originally Posted by SP 7755

Well it looks like I just have to get used to it veering to the R and reserve fun acceleration to quiet country roads...

No problems, we luv the car!

With you living in Australia, veering to the right is just perfect for overtaking?


Torque steer is not a problem, it just needs finer driving skills. Rear wheel drive is for cavemen... In fact, torque steer is a link to aviation. On a single prop, when applying throttle you need to counter that with slight rudder. On a helicopter you need to counter with tail rotor.

[lscrx]

Originally Posted by 9-3gotboostAERO

try going up a steep hill on ice with no momentum b.c. you stopped at a red light with the esp on.
Your not gonna make it. now do it with the esp off, using your own foot to limit wheelspin enough so u don't lose control.... but able to give it enough power to get up that hill...

I disagree, a car with modern traction control can make it up an icy hill much better with the system on then off.

Case in point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8shTFuSINc

[DanS]

I've never noticed torque steer in our 2007 9-3. It was present in our 2001 9-3 and several of our other front wheel drive cars over the years.

I thought it was pretty much designed out with the equal length shafts, solidly mounted steering rack, traction control, lower boost in low r's in 1 and 2 gear and stronger body/frame. Maybe I don't push our car hard enough. Have you modded your 09? Turn the ESP off?

Try installing a three point brace from Genuine Saab and then a strut tower brace? That will lock up the front end even more and transfer power.

[colombo]

Originally Posted by lscrx

I disagree, a car with modern traction control can make it up an icy hill much better with the system on then off.

Case in point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8shTFuSINc

Tiff is definitely a good driver, but here he was like Bambi on ice... Did you notice how the traction control ON car came with a flying start, where Tiff tried to actually start from standstill when it was OFF ?
Traction control can not create friction, that is for sure...

[lscrx]

Originally Posted by colombo

Tiff is definitely a good driver, but here he was like Bambi on ice... Did you notice how the traction control ON car came with a flying start, where Tiff tried to actually start from standstill when it was OFF ?
Traction control can not create friction, that is for sure...

He tried a running start with the traction control off, didn't make it even half way.

[colombo]

Originally Posted by lscrx

He tried a running start with the traction control off, didn't make it even half way.

He came over the very same ice he had polished with insane wheel spin just seconds before. Are you surprised he lost traction then...?

[lscrx]

Originally Posted by colombo

He came over the very same ice he had polished with insane wheel spin just seconds before. Are you surprised he lost traction then...?

And then he turned on the traction control and drove straight up... what's your point?

[colombo]

Originally Posted by lscrx

And then he turned on the traction control and drove straight up... what's your point?

As I already said, traction control can not create friction. On the same friction a decent driver will be able to do the same as a car with traction control can. A good driver will do better.

That Discovery clip just proved that Tiff Needell is not very good on ice...

[RhodyDave]

FWIW, the Aero XWD cars don't have the problem, despite having 280 HP and about the same lb-ft torque.

[JonV]

Originally Posted by brace up

he has a 2.0T..look at his avatar.

i have an 08 2.0T and the torque steer is very minimal. its never been a problem for me. may i suggest not flooring it in the city if youre concerned about running into another car??

+1 in an 03...Torque Steer in City Driving???

[lscrx]

Originally Posted by colombo

As I already said, traction control can not create friction. On the same friction a decent driver will be able to do the same as a car with traction control can. A good driver will do better.

That Discovery clip just proved that Tiff Needell is not very good on ice...

I think a "decent" driver still can't do what traction control can do... the TC can brake the front wheels independently while limiting the throttle to keep the wheels from spinning... all a "decent" driver can do is feather the gas/clutch.

[9-3gotboostAERO]

yes but the t.c. brakes the front wheels which kills any momentum trying to get up any icy hill...

i saw the car lurch foward when he tried with tc off, then with tc on he started from the left and eased on to the ice...
Biased documentary

[lscrx]

Originally Posted by 9-3gotboostAERO

yes but the t.c. brakes the front wheels which kills any momentum trying to get up any icy hill...

i saw the car lurch foward when he tried with tc off, then with tc on he started from the left and eased on to the ice...
Biased documentary

Ok, I believe that when driving on icy/snowy roads you are better off with all the electronic nanny's keeping you, and everybody else on the road, safer. Should you get stuck, or in a situation where the ESP won't let won't let you move... then you should switch it off and try to rock, or power your way out. If you're engaging the ESP on a dry road, then you're either avoiding an accident (good) or driving like a maniac (bad)... either way it should be left of for the safety of you and everybody else. Only time I would say it's justifiable to turn it off is in a situation where you're stuck, or on a race track. My $.02

[9-3gotboostAERO]

a must do on the track, mother effer won't let me floor it through a turn even though no wheel spin has begun

[lscrx]

Originally Posted by 9-3gotboostAERO

a must do on the track, mother effer won't let me floor it through a turn even though no wheel spin has begun

I used to hate electronic nanny's... now i've come to appreciate them (when they can be defeated). In the late 90's I drove a friends '95 Mustang GT... while pulling out of a parking lot that had a rough, steep driveway that led directly to a main road I applied the brakes. The ABS started pulsing the brakes, not slowing me one iota until I was flat in the middle of the right lane of the main road... . I haven't had any issues like that with my 9-3 however, I believe that ABS, TC, and ESP have all come a long way since the 90's.

[DanS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR1SSxpKitE

Go to youtube and do a search on stability control, esp, etc. and you will find out about the engineering and testing that goes into them.