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Saab 9-3 Aero 2.8T start to tune up !!!

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#1 ·
Hello ppl, I'm a owner form a saab 93 cabrio 2.8T
and i want to tune'up this car, but, i'm a neebie and i dont know how to start...

I see in the BSR web page that they have a stage 1 and a stage 3 ...

So I ask if the stage1 worth'it or not ... and if the stage3 make tha "time of live" from my car decrease ... I meen ... The car with 320HP 520Nm make 4sure all parts "quickest old"

I want as well a air filter, i'm thinking about a KN or JR ... someone knows what is the best????


(sorry about my english)

 
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#3 ·
If you want to mod, you have to be prepared to invest into replacing parts. The parts will definitely wear out faster than stock especially if you on higher stages.

I have friends who have to replace turbo & gearbox because of their mods. I also have friends who really abuse their stock cars but never have to replace major components.

Most important is what you want from the mods. As you go into higher stages, the returns are diminishing.

My opinion, since I have tested BSR, Maptun & Hirsch on long drive, Hirsch give me the most satisfaction as the improvement is linear from low to high rpm. Whereas, other tuners tend to focus on cranking out as much Hp as possible, which you hardly use on a daily basis.

Just my 2cents.
 
#4 · (Edited)
ICEman said:
If you want to mod, you have to be prepared to invest into replacing parts. The parts will definitely wear out faster than stock especially if you on higher stages.

I have friends who have to replace turbo & gearbox because of their mods. I also have friends who really abuse their stock cars but never have to replace major components.

Most important is what you want from the mods. As you go into higher stages, the returns are diminishing.

My opinion, since I have tested BSR, Maptun & Hirsch on long drive, Hirsch give me the most satisfaction as the improvement is linear from low to high rpm. Whereas, other tuners tend to focus on cranking out as much Hp as possible, which you hardly use on a daily basis.

Just my 2cents.

so do you recomend Hirsch that BSR ???

I see BSR with 10HP more (stage1) than Hirsh (and mor cheaper too)
So will be more fun with BSR, no????

I really dont want any problems in my saab 93 , i want tun'up the car but with saffety to the motor and to all another's parts ..

I think i go stay with the satage1 + KN filter. this will prove getting very good results and all anothers parts will be OK. (if i get the stage3, maybe i need to change all the another parts and this ill be very very spensive)

Wicth filter do you recommend???
KN or JR ???

 
#5 ·
Just my opinion,


but on a new car such as yours - I'd stick with Hirsch - they are Saab approved, you should be able to get it 'tuned' in this way by your dealer - and it will keep the car under warranty.

Yes, with BSR (such as I have) you can de-tune the car before taking it to the dealers, but again, with such a new car my thoughts would be on protecting the warranty - not on circumventing it.

Stage 1, I think you'll find is plenty. You can always upgrade to 2 or 3 later.

As for filters, all of the specialist filters are similar - it just comes down to personal preference. If you choose an oil-based filter though, take care not to over-do it with the oil - some people have had problems with sensors becoming contaminated.

Regards,

Phil
 
#6 ·
MudMover said:
Just my opinion,


but on a new car such as yours - I'd stick with Hirsch - they are Saab approved, you should be able to get it 'tuned' in this way by your dealer - and it will keep the car under warranty.

Yes, with BSR (such as I have) you can de-tune the car before taking it to the dealers, but again, with such a new car my thoughts would be on protecting the warranty - not on circumventing it.

Stage 1, I think you'll find is plenty. You can always upgrade to 2 or 3 later.

As for filters, all of the specialist filters are similar - it just comes down to personal preference. If you choose an oil-based filter though, take care not to over-do it with the oil - some people have had problems with sensors becoming contaminated.

Regards,

Phil

Tnks 4 the quick answer :D


So do u recommend hirsch tuning, because de warrantie, but like u said, I can "de-tune" the car before taking to the dealer's right??? so i think they can't proove nothing about the BSR tuning, and the car swill be in the same case on warrantie ...

Here in swizerland the price in € for a stage1 (BSR ) will be arround 900€ and for hirsch will be arround 1300€ ... so if someone have already do this tune (BSR stage1) on a saab 93 aero 2.8T , please tell me if get somme bad experiences...

Tnks in advanced;)

About the filter, can someone tell me if the JR Filter is oil based???

I know KN is about oil, but i'm not so sure about JR
 
#7 ·
Hi,
I suggest you to buy a tecnifilter! It is an inox air filter produced by an italian firm. I actually don't know if they produce the filter also for saab models but it should be so. You just have to write an email and you get the answer. And if the answer is negative you can ask to buy one extra for you.

The particularity of inox filters is that they don't have to be oiled and in order to clean them you just have to use some air.

A similar product should also be produced by sprintfilter
 
#8 ·
Colo said:
Hi,
I suggest you to buy a tecnifilter! It is an inox air filter produced by an italian firm. I actually don't know if they produce the filter also for saab models but it should be so. You just have to write an email and you get the answer. And if the answer is negative you can ask to buy one extra for you.

The particularity of inox filters is that they don't have to be oiled and in order to clean them you just have to use some air.

A similar product should also be produced by sprintfilter
Is the first time that i see this firm. I go che the prices, tnks;)
 
#11 · (Edited)
astra2000 said:
tnks, do you know if this filter give some more power to the saab?
Well, I mounted this filter on a turbo seat leon and I could not notice a significant increase in power. The gain was maybe 2-3 bhp. So you can quickly imagine that on a basis of 180 bhp an increase of 3 cannot be remarked.

I think it is pretty sure that you will gain something but certainly not 10-15 bhp. The main benefit of this kind of filter is not the power gain but the reduction in the temperatures of the turbo and the motor in general, what in the long run is certainly positive. (This also holds for KN, JR or any other filter)

I heard many times about people that gained 10 bhp with a filter. But I don't trust them. It is not possible.

But if you also take a chip tuning together with the filter you will gain significantly more bhp than only with remap without filter.
(These are reults I had the possibility to reach with a seat leon, but I think that basically this holds for all turbo motors)


To sum up: No significant increase in power but in sound:cool:
 
#12 ·
Furthermore if you use a filter like this , in my opinion, you will have some problems because of the high temperatures produced by the V6.

I had the possibility to test the V6 in the last days and I have to say that it produces more hot temperatures than other motors/cars.

For this reason using such a filter would not be efficient because it will not be able to capture enough fresh air. So the total power will decrease.

In order to overcome the problem you have to close it in the airbox. But then a normal panel filter like the tecnifilter would lead to the same results

 
#16 · (Edited)
You obviously know nothing about your car. There is no chip to replace. The BSR PPC (portable program carrier) plugs in the OBD II Port and rewrites your tuning software, As does Nordic. In the case of Maptun, you replace the whole ECU. Hirsch is done by a Dealer and can only be undone by a dealer.

Try searching for BSR PPC and you'll find tons of information on mileage, fuel, performance etc.

http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=44&osCsid=9d3995d0e30299c890c17a2b328554d1
 
#19 ·
There is a lot of passion about air filters. Personally I think the idea is way over-hyped. It is fueled by aggressive marketing and the relative ease with which the consumer can spend $70 and install something which "improves both fuel economy AND power." Any idiot can do this. Oh, and it lasts a lifetime.

Obviously, replacing a dirty factory filter with any new filter will improve airflow. So a lot of the consumer-posted internet reviews of these products have inherent bias.

Here we often worry about using the "best" oil for the 93 and whether it should be changed every Tuesday or every 2nd Tuesday. Yet some are willing to let more crap into their engine every day for the possibility of a 1-2 HP at 6000 RPM.

I don't trust auto magazines to tell the truth about K&N's, BMW's, or any other heavy advertiser's products. Here's something that looks reasonable:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest1.htm
 
#21 ·
the guys at our service department said that lowering springs cause problems, have you noticed anything? i really like the lower ride ( shyt looks hot) like today for an example i wish i had my car a little lower ... really high winds right now cause of some storm ... sunshine state my ***** lol
 
#22 ·
FLA_SAAB_ DEALER said:
the guys at our service department said that lowering springs cause problems, have you noticed anything? i really like the lower ride ( shyt looks hot) like today for an example i wish i had my car a little lower ... really high winds right now cause of some storm ... sunshine state my ***** lol
From what I have figured out with the suspension, is that if you put lowering springs on, you should get new shocks that are made for those lowering springs. If you don't your stock shocks will only last like 10,000 miles.
 
#24 ·
FLA_SAAB_ DEALER said:
so your saying... if im short on cash, i can get the lowering springs wait 10k miles then replace the shocks? give or take a few miles
Thats what I have been told...but you will have to pay for two installations and it is easier to do them both at the same time, but that probably won't affect you...
 
#25 · (Edited)
I think the both of you should do a bit of searching on Springs, Suspension, Aero's and Arc's/Linear's befor you keep giving each other bad advice. There are certain combinations/types of springs/shocks that will work on one model but not another.

My Vector with FSD's uses Factory Sport Suspension Springs, Technically I can swap them with Hirsch. Koni does not reccomend any other spring but Stock with FSD's on a Vector, i.e. Megan etc...but the Hirsch are equal to Saab issue in Specs. Lower my Vector any more with AFT springs and there are issues....take your Aero/2.0T and don't match Springs and Shocks, you'll have real issues too.

Then there is the tradeoff of "looks cool" over ride/performance..personal choice, not mine.

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