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22nd September 2013 11:56 AM
BobSaabit
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Originally Posted by Tap804 View Post
All you gotta do is ride through campus.. smile, and if shes worth it rev a lil, if shes really worth it.. show her the bov

oh gosh you have no idea, every once in a while I get all kinds of "omg can we go for a ride with the top down?" or " Wait!?! can we put the top down??!?! AWH MY hair is in my face...!!" I have hair ties in the glove box... they take up less room and you can buy packs of millions... living next to the frat house has its perks...

Well, I'm a little older... if I hang around the frat house picking up girls I'm considered sketchy and likely to get reported to the police :-)

I like the hair ties in the glove box idea... but don't they look at you like a guy who has a pack of condoms in there when you pull them out ?
15th September 2013 05:13 PM
Tap804
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Originally Posted by BobSaabit View Post
My experience is that you have to "get" the girl first, the 'vert just makes them smile when they get there. Next they complain about their hair blowing around so have one of those visor caps in stock for them. PPPPP.

I know the roof being up makes a huge difference in the 'vert shake. Not having anything tying the top of the car together is a major structural issue on the road. But, the braces might compensate for that, and make sedans that much more solid.

Another area that would add some stability would be a bar across the struts, on the front/top side of them. That would stop the tops of the towers from moving... but wouldn't do anything for the mid-car bend.
All you gotta do is ride through campus.. smile, and if shes worth it rev a lil, if shes really worth it.. show her the bov

oh gosh you have no idea, every once in a while I get all kinds of "omg can we go for a ride with the top down?" or " Wait!?! can we put the top down??!?! AWH MY hair is in my face...!!" I have hair ties in the glove box... they take up less room and you can buy packs of millions... living next to the frat house has its perks...
15th September 2013 02:41 PM
BobSaabit My experience is that you have to "get" the girl first, the 'vert just makes them smile when they get there. Next they complain about their hair blowing around so have one of those visor caps in stock for them. PPPPP.

I know the roof being up makes a huge difference in the 'vert shake. Not having anything tying the top of the car together is a major structural issue on the road. But, the braces might compensate for that, and make sedans that much more solid.

Another area that would add some stability would be a bar across the struts, on the front/top side of them. That would stop the tops of the towers from moving... but wouldn't do anything for the mid-car bend.
15th September 2013 12:25 PM
pa-saab-92
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Personally id love to drive a car with a cage... like common, tell me you wouldn't want a vert with a cage... girls would just climb in.. i'm telling you, they pretty much already do they just need encouragement.
I can verify that girls love verts with a cage. My Miata defiantly gets me more girls than my 5dr ever has lol
14th September 2013 11:38 PM
Tap804
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Originally Posted by BobSaabit View Post
I'd be interested in knowing how much the 3d/5d flexes when you jack it up. I'm thinking that it's probably a heck of a lot less than the 'vert since the roof is a key structural link from front to back (floor/rocker being the only ft/rr structural member in the 'vert). I've seen door close problems with the 'vert on jacks in the front behind the wheels.
I'm sure its not much, if at all, saabs are known to be safe, so id assume that some serious reinforcement went in to the c and b pillars that's more to meets the eye.

As far as actually doing this, a friend and i actually talked about putting square tube in the frame rails with a cross brace and a roll bar to improve things.
Nothing serious just spit balling ideas. Like I said, I have a vert, its bar far the worst when it comes to stablity, ask GrkGuy he went from a 900 vert to the coupe and has told me its world of a difference.. Personally id love to drive a car with a cage... like common, tell me you wouldn't want a vert with a cage... girls would just climb in.. i'm telling you, they pretty much already do they just need encouragement. Its just not in my budget or within my abilities to fab one...

Not sure id pass inspection with one either... :/
14th September 2013 10:52 PM
BobSaabit I'd be interested in knowing how much the 3d/5d flexes when you jack it up. I'm thinking that it's probably a heck of a lot less than the 'vert since the roof is a key structural link from front to back (floor/rocker being the only ft/rr structural member in the 'vert). I've seen door close problems with the 'vert on jacks in the front behind the wheels.
14th September 2013 10:41 PM
BobSaabit Based on what I've seen jacking the 'vert, I'd agree with Pontius... I think those braces would have to run right up and under (attached to) the subframe. When the front of the car tries to lift, you want the brace to have enough leverage on the front end to stop the floor pan/rockers from flexing mid-car and letting the front end lift independent of the rear... the rear being there mostly just to hold down the front.

You won't get that from the new braces if they end (start?) behind the subframe and go from there back. It might help a little, but won't be nearly as effective as it could be. The 6pt, which is a great idea, helps keep the two sides of the subframe from twisting and allowing wheel lift and instability (and cowl shake for 'verts) up front, but it does little to stop the chassis flex that's happening in the middle of the car.

Two more thoughts:

- Routing could be an issue... I don't think there's a clear shot back from the subframe sides to the rear (from memory, the exhaust is in way). Might need some creative snake-y braces from box beam material.

- I think this is going to reduce the car's ride comfort signifcantly. I have a 'vert with Eibach and Koni's... the ride is actually better with the roof down i.e. the body flex is compensating for the stiff springs and making it comfortable, but handling suffers a bit especially on harsh roads. I think having solid bars there all the time will make our cars harsh. If your car is a DD too then a better solution that could be mounts permanently attached and bolt on/off bars for when you want to go dragging.
14th September 2013 03:19 PM
comtrang
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Originally Posted by grkguy89 View Post
What do you mean it stops short?
physically?
or it's purpose from a structural standpoint?

from personal experience, i feel like it makes a considerable difference when combined with the other bracing
more apparent on the convertibles, but still affective on the 3dr/5dr
Nick is one of the most technical guys I've ever spoken to but I guess he could have totally missed something like this.
13th September 2013 11:02 PM
Tap804
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Originally Posted by Pontius DIO View Post
The subframe brace on Fox Mustangs and later are needed to prevent unibody twisting which destroys the car if enough power is put through. The braces in that pic you posted tie the front to the rear and seat area. Since our cars are FWD, that kind of bracing won't help since it doesn't attach to anything up front like our subframe arms. There is a 6 point brace out there, but it stops short and doesn't do anything for the very front of the car.
explain to me how this won't "help" our cars, mind you i have vert... but when i jack the car up dead center, i can easily see the bottom of the door gap getting smaller and the top getting much wider, im sure its much less with cars with actual roofs, but i guarantee there has to be some benefit to such bracing, ie. when weight is transferred to the rear wheel upon acceleration it remains uniform and reduces tq steer. IS it the CHEAPEST alternative? Doubt it, but i put a hundred bucks into labor and materials into finding out..esp the vert chassie, it's like a stale twizzler man.
13th September 2013 04:20 PM
grkguy89
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Originally Posted by Pontius DIO View Post
There is a 6 point brace out there, but it stops short and doesn't do anything for the very front of the car.
What do you mean it stops short?
physically?
or it's purpose from a structural standpoint?

from personal experience, i feel like it makes a considerable difference when combined with the other bracing
more apparent on the convertibles, but still affective on the 3dr/5dr
12th September 2013 03:58 AM
Pontius DIO
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Originally Posted by ael View Post
Why not make sub frame connectors like mustang guys use?
That mod must be improve saab 1/4 times
The subframe brace on Fox Mustangs and later are needed to prevent unibody twisting which destroys the car if enough power is put through. The braces in that pic you posted tie the front to the rear and seat area. Since our cars are FWD, that kind of bracing won't help since it doesn't attach to anything up front like our subframe arms. There is a 6 point brace out there, but it stops short and doesn't do anything for the very front of the car.
12th September 2013 03:29 AM
ael Why not make sub frame connectors like mustang guys use?
That mod must be improve saab 1/4 times
28th July 2012 06:33 PM
Fox Fader I got mine from a company called HiBoost. My car was actually the one you saw when you opened up the website. There are a few others out there that are just as good or even better when I left. Last one I remember that was good was from a guy named 'D' in the Virginia area.







27th July 2012 05:27 PM
comtrang Custom TURBO kit? Interesting. I have a friend with a newer one who'd like to boost his.
27th July 2012 05:13 PM
Fox Fader
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Originally Posted by Tap804 View Post
Was that the mazda speed 3? I can keep up with the 2.3na cars in my moms van...
It was a custom kit for an NA.
23rd July 2012 01:02 PM
Tap804
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Originally Posted by Fox Fader View Post
Close to my Mazda 3 time of 14.2 @ 104. I had a reeeaaal problem getting that car to hook on street tires. I'm hoping to get the Saab to do as well even though the gearing in this car is so tall.

Was that the mazda speed 3? I can keep up with the 2.3na cars in my moms van...
22nd July 2012 11:38 PM
Fox Fader
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Originally Posted by condaddy View Post
Not bragging but I think I actually have the record 14.012 at 101.74 with stage 3 tune at the time
Close to my Mazda 3 time of 14.2 @ 104. I had a reeeaaal problem getting that car to hook on street tires. I'm hoping to get the Saab to do as well even though the gearing in this car is so tall.
22nd July 2012 04:15 PM
droppedf100 Yeah you are very close. If you buy drag radials buy Mickey Thompsons. I have BFGs and though much better than stock they will spin if you try to leave on boost at the track. They work better on the street which makes me believe driving through the water at the track messes it up even after a quick launch to get the water off. We will probably go to another local track where you can drive around the water.
22nd July 2012 02:44 AM
comtrang If your driving is consistent then drag radials will definitely be enough to push you over that line.
22nd July 2012 02:22 AM
condaddy I know I'm trying find a few mods to give a lil more hp and working on the suspensions and getting drag radials
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