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Breakin5speeds
23rd April 2007, 11:06 PM
So I've finally caved in and decided to do a project thread, IronJoe can't have all the 87 Fun;)

I'll try to follow the basic format that many have laid out.

The Car:

The basic car is a pretty normal 1987 Saab 900 Turbo, that I bought from it's second owner for $1200, with a nice straight rust free body, but needing a minor bit of mechanical TLC. I purchased it when I was a Saab tech, with the intention to replace my previous 87 SPG that rusted out from underneath me.

The Goal:
No real goals, just a plaything, want something clean, fast, and fairly reliable, and not like every other VW I see floating around.

Power:
Current Mods-
(in order of pride)

Weber Throttle Body

85 Turbo Exhaust Cam

Mildly Ported and Polished Exhaust Manifold

Swedish Dynamics 2.5" Exhaust - "redneck high flow catalytic converter";)

T3/T4 Turbo: Water Cooled, 360 thrust bearing, stagger gap oil seals

2.1 Head (rebuilt by yours truly)

2.1 Intake

24 lb/hr Ford Motorsport injectors

3 bar fuel pressure regulator

Bell Engineering Rising Rate Fuel Pressure Regulator

Modified Stop on Vacuum Advance Diaphram on distributor - timing at about 18 degrees BTDC retards to about 11 degrees under boost

Custom front mount intercooler

Trunk mounted Optima Battery

Custom 3" Cold-er Air intake with Sebring Tuning open element air filter

Crankcase venting externally

900Aero.com APC Mod-more thorough of the two

IC sprayer using washer resevior and momentary push-button switch

Future Mods:

Definitely 3" exhaust, with Ultimate internal wastegate

Maybe Water Injection

Standalone engine management if/when I get to where this isn't my daily driver

Maybe Nitrous Oxide injection for the effect of charge cooling, but in the state of Maine Nitrous is basically illegal on a street car

Manual steering rack if I ever find one....



Driveline:
Rebuilt 4 speed with later aluminum pinion carrier, and 5 speed primaries (number 7s I think-car does 115 mph in 4th @ 4400 RPMs) bought from Saab Celeb Chip Lamb for $100, Resealed by yours truly filled with Amsoil Severe Duty 75w-90 Gear Lube

88-90 9000 Clutch with 9000 flywheel recessed .030"

With this setup and the T3/T4 car is pretty snappy in 1st and 2nd, but not overly torque-y, so traction is not an issue, car seems quicker this way and hopefully it is gentler on the trans, 3rd from 50mph to 100 mph is INSANE:evil:

Handling:

Basically right as I want it

205/55/15 88V BF Goodrich G-Force Sport tires (best tires I have ever owned)

Stock Swaybars

Intrax Springs in front

SPG Springs in rear

Bilstein Sport Shocks on all 4 corners (previously installed in my SPG, must have 200K Miles on them best shocks in the world IMHO)

Alignment:
Caster 1.3 both sides
Camber -.5 on LH -.9 on RH, helps on crowned roads in Maine
Toe .10 Toe In on both sides

Braking:
Old Skool Front handbrake FTW!

Ceramic Pads

Goodridge Braided Stainless Hoses

Custom Drilled Brembo Rotors


Appearance:

Exterior:
Before

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/carplain.jpg

Currently
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/car7.jpg

Blacked out lenses, blacked out grille, blacked out SAAB Minilite (not Shelby's) Rims

Interior:
Stock Tan cloth interior out of an 89 900s, had poorly installed Red Cloth interior with tan kneeboard and carpets when I got it

Black Headliner

Ebay Leather wheel on MOMO hub with Momo Saab Horn button

Black door cards

Manual windows

Custom Saab Shift knob

Old School'ed gauge cluster

VDO "Kok"pit Gauges and Autometer Narrowband Air Fuel ratio meter

Custom made leather shift boot, only cost me $10 from leather smith, in it's 3rd car

Custom shortened shifter

Breakin5speeds
23rd April 2007, 11:15 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/car3.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/car2.jpg



http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/headliner.jpg



http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/gauges1.jpg

SOME MORE SPICE TO FLAVOR THE STEW (more pics)

Breakin5speeds
25th April 2007, 11:40 PM
So I made / am making a new grill for my car, this idea has been in the back of my head for a couple years. It should be done in the next couple days, so I'll send up some completed pics with it on the car.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/grill1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/grill2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/grill3.jpg


So this started life as a stock grill that should have been thrown out, but with some JB-Weld, tiger hair, and lightweight body filler, and a ton of shaping and sanding I've come up with this. I could have made it a little better, but overall I'm very happy with it thus far....:D

Breakin5speeds
26th April 2007, 08:27 AM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/grillcar2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/grillcar.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/girllcar3.jpg


Came out pretty good, I'm kinda on the fence, but then again I hated my other grill for a couple days till I got use to it.....what's your thoughts?

On another note my FMIC should be here Saturday, this grill should let some nice cool air through it:cheesy:

Saab-Daniel
26th April 2007, 09:15 AM
Work is nice, I'm just not too much for the grill without the center-bar, but that's just me, hehe :)
Colour-coded mine and did the mesh-net aswell, nice little diy :)
Daniel.

TheRedBaron
26th April 2007, 10:44 AM
Nice ride - what are the two red buttons behind the steering wheel?

Breakin5speeds
26th April 2007, 12:07 PM
Cruise control....:cheesy: there's actually 3, I put a non cruise turn signal switch, I like them more, and they're more reliable, So I wired in some switches to keep cruise, it was easier cleaner then swapping the arm in the switch, which I have done once.

Breakin5speeds
29th April 2007, 02:09 PM
So this weekend my front mount came on the friendly Fed-Ex truck,

Got it installed, took a better part of the day to get it in, and HOLY COW does the car ever fly, smooth, and at 15 psi it's the fastest 900 I've ever had, Install was not too bad, No real cutting of body/radiator support, but a heck alot of cutting of bumper...pics coming tonight

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/intercooler2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/intercoolercore.jpg

We'll be right back after these messages from our sponsors.....

Breakin5speeds
29th April 2007, 06:59 PM
This episode of Mörkstjärna - Breakin5Speed's 1987 900 Turbo Hatch (http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=949900#post949900) is brought to you by:

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Rockstar, JB Weld, and the Letter W as in Weber and Wide Open Throttle:cheesy:

Breakin5speeds
29th April 2007, 07:05 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/piping.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/couplers.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/clamp.jpg

The JB Weld is how I help to keep the couplers on, no blowouts so far, and the Constant Torque clamps help too, they're monstrous, I bought them at a large truck dealership, and they work awesome, which they should for $5.99 a piece. I bought what they had at the time, I need to buy some more though.... As for piping I took the old skool, grass roots method, and went with piping and couplers from other Saabs, I used 2 90's from 91+ 9000s some 900 piping and a 9-5 pipe, with rubber throttle elbow, I still need to get a new pipe at my throttle and have my BOV flange properly welded

Breakin5speeds
29th April 2007, 07:08 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/intercoolertestfit.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/intercooler.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/wangbumper.jpg

Looks like a bumper to me, I probably weakend the bumper quite a bit, but it still feels fairly firm, and I didn't have to cut up my radiator support

Breakin5speeds
29th April 2007, 07:13 PM
Final Thoughts: I'm gonna test my battery at work, and if I need one I'm gonna trunk mount an optima, the battery really is in the way, I had to lose my safety catch on my hood, I'll probably come up with something, maybe a bungee with a clip, overall install came out very nice, and the car pulls so clean smooth, and reliably, I can't believe I waited so long to do this, I actually think the turbo spools quicker the car seems to breathe better, I'm sure the intake is taking in more cool air...very happy

ShadowWorks
29th April 2007, 07:23 PM
Wow thats a huge IC, looks very well made, what do you mean you have lost your saftey catch for the hood?

Thats not something you can jimmy together, maybe you can make some clips or pins like found on rally cars;)

Breakin5speeds
29th April 2007, 09:09 PM
the actual latch works fine, the "oh shoooot" catch the holds the hood if something happens I had to take off to get the hood to close, I'm gonna see if I can move/modify the stock one, or come up with something

Breakin5speeds
30th April 2007, 01:59 AM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/intercoolerpipe3.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/intercoolerpipe2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/intercoolerpipe1.jpg

It gets some cold air with this setup and the pipe from the 9-5 is almost perfect for this setup from the IC to the throttle bend, and I need to get my BOV setup improved and more permanent... Also I fixed my safety catch issue, I shortened the catch by about 1" and notched the mounting holes so I could move it to the left of the car and forward slightly, and clears the IC by about 1/4" which is enough...the only problem is it's a tight fit, only me and 12 year old girls can fit their hands under the hood to unlatch it (great antitheft, haha) when I'm feeling more ambitious I might trim the rad support slightly to let the hood open a little more with the safety catch, even another 1/4" would be hugely helpful....

IronJoe
30th April 2007, 11:25 AM
Good job on the install, breakin. That's a really nice intercooler... is that made as a drop-in for a particular car, or custom?

As for pipework, I did the same thing you did when I first installed my frontmount - used 900 and 9k pipes. Worked great, but I gotta say you'll be a lot happier either going with a piping kit, or having custom pipes made up. My pipes went down to 2" at times, really choking the otherwise free-flowing system. I went to 2.5" and never looked back ;) Just a thought.

The black minilites look great, reminds me of initial d (not in a bad way!!!)

Also, zero carb rockstar? :o Weird... didn't think rockstars cared, what with their million dollar personal trainers and all.

Another thought: lower it ;)

Breakin5speeds
30th April 2007, 12:59 PM
Haha, thanks, the intercooler is a random ebay find for $100 that couldn't have been a more perfect fit for the application, and for the piping I'll probably upgrade someday soon, and as for lowering it, I've already got intrax in it, but I've heard that I should before, but just look at the before and after pics

IronJoe
30th April 2007, 01:02 PM
I was just teasing you ;) I know you have intrax.

Didn't you only put the fronts on tho?

TheRedBaron
30th April 2007, 01:15 PM
That's a good looking IC - interesting slot pattern on the inside. What is the advantage of that weber TB - is it a larger bore or something?

Breakin5speeds
30th April 2007, 01:48 PM
yeah, if I had the chin spoiler or an Spg body kit it would look lower, and yes I have intrax in the front and SPG springs in the rear, as for the Weber throttle, yes, it is a very rare item and it is HUGE

IronJoe
30th April 2007, 02:11 PM
Did it take anything special to install? I've got a line on one for not-too-expensive, not sure if I'll pull the trigger on it or not. Make any difference?

Breakin5speeds
30th April 2007, 03:43 PM
it takes a few tweaks, you need to install and adjust the Throttle Postion Switch, and you need to modify/make a support bracket off the starter..... and yes it did make a difference, not sure about horsepower, but throttle response is improved, and you have to do a work around for the AIC valve, but it needs the proper adaptor plate to bolt up, it was designed for the B type engine, takes a little to get it onto a 16 valve H type

Breakin5speeds
2nd May 2007, 10:22 AM
So first off, couple of thoughts: A: I need a better camera, and 2: I need to stop taking pics at 1:30 am.... So last night I wasn't planning on doing anything, but on a whim I bought a cooling fan for $50 from work...Perfect for what I wanted low profile, now I have tons of room from the turbo output and have been able to move the pipe away from all the hot bits.


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/fan2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/fan5.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/fan4.jpg

Pretty happy with the outcome...little bit of custome brackettry to make it fit, the lower mount I cut the "foot" off a stock fan and bolted and JB-Welded it to the new fan...Did I mention I <3 JB Weld.....Especially JB Qwik--4minutes it rocks:cheesy:

Breakin5speeds
2nd May 2007, 10:28 AM
I did two other things I didn't "Plan" Plan on doing....well I hate having a front number plate (have to though---state law) and I hate having the intercooler eclipsed by the bumper...well I tried to take the plate mount on a whim and tore up the bumper cover:roll: ...so I have no choice but to install an air passage:D

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/bumpermod2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/bumpermod1.jpg

The pics suck sorry, and you can't tell but the intercooler doesn't really come into the air flow path...so I fabbed up a plate at about a 45 degree angle the forces any air through this opening up into the intercooler...Seat of the pant Dyno results were inconclusive....but then again I took a short run and I'm low on gas...gar always seems to run better on at least half a take of 2 old gas....don't ask just seems to be the case...and yes it has a new pump and new feeder pump

Breakin5speeds
2nd May 2007, 10:31 AM
This is the one thing I planned on doing....modding the safety catch some more to allow easier opening of the hood....cut a bit off the back of the catch and knicked the radiator support... it's considerably easier to open it now

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/latch3.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/latch5.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/latch1.jpg

eddiethegreat
2nd May 2007, 10:40 AM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/gauges1.jpg

SOME MORE SPICE TO FLAVOR THE STEW (more pics)

Are that red ones...bottons? Or lights?

Breakin5speeds
2nd May 2007, 12:20 PM
Buttons for cruise control...:cheesy:

Breakin5speeds
4th May 2007, 09:08 PM
So the weather was the best it has been in months today...still only got to about 55 degrees, but anyways I took the opportunity to wash and wax the old girl:D... along with finishing up an Intercooler sprayer install

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/carwax.jpg

Not bad for a 20 year old car with original paint that has been driven daily for its entire life:cool:

I didn't really take any pics of the Intercooler Sprayer and it is a pretty hidden install sooo, use you imaginations... initial impressions are that it helps but not a ton, but noticeable, but then again it was only about 55 today, when it gets into the 90s I'm sure it will help tons, it did on my last car...also my lower air scoop I replaced shotty plexi-glass with an aluminum sheet air the air diverter

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/icsprayer2.jpg

You can't really tell but there's a nozzle in there, 180 degree fan spray, sprays mostly parallel to the FMIC (slight angle towards), gets mostly blown into the FMIC

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/icsprayer1.jpg

I just use a momentary switch, my last car I tried using a pressure switch and wasn't happy, used too much fluid, and I found this allows me to spray before I need it, like at stoplights, and spraying and letting it evaporate slightly first yielded larger resuslts...also I have my A/C removed, but I jumped the low pressure cutoff switch in the A/C and I can now press the A/C button and have my fans come on...so sitting in traffic I can spray the FMIC and turn on the fans and draw air through it and cool the FMIC down quite a bit, the only thing I'm thinking I'll do is install a check valve just before the spray nozzle to keep the prime, so it sprays more instantaneously

Breakin5speeds
4th May 2007, 09:20 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/hoodemblem.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/hoodemblem2.jpg

The other day I received in the mail my new hood emblem... I rate the item a 9 out of 10 for apperance, and 8 out of 10 for quality, and the Ebay seller I rate a 10 out of 10, cost like $20 delivered to my door, took about a week, pics are lousy, don't do it justice, I can dig up the sellers Info if anyone wants one of these gems, they take some creativity to install as a hood emblem, I used 3M trim tape, it's been on for about a week, been up to 80 mph, and through the car wash...it's not going anywhere....nice touch, I just might get the design as a tattoo, hahaha, but seriously, I just might..... Also I am getting an Euro/Swedish number plate for the front, I just had it made with my actual numbers, still illegal, but we'll see what the cops say with the real numbers on it...

Tomarse
5th May 2007, 04:48 AM
I love the black minilites!. Wonder if they would work on my yellow car?

I am definately going to paint my wheels sometime this summer! Im sick of silver!

Breakin5speeds
5th May 2007, 11:41 AM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/2-18-07090.jpg

DOOOOOOO IT!:cheesy:

Funny I get more compliments from the rims then anything... and they make my car look mean, people won't race me....lol

Breakin5speeds
27th May 2007, 10:37 AM
Well not much big done lately....but 3" exhaust in the works, first a trunk mounted optima battery, also an 85 exhaust cam...pics to come:cheesy:

Breakin5speeds
30th May 2007, 10:58 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/turboblade2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/turboblade1.jpg

So plans slightly delayed...my 2 month old turbo lost 2 fins, for no apparent reason... but it's under warranty, BUT I'll have to send it out and be without it for 3 weeks SUCK:x , but fortunately I have a friend getting me a good used one for $50 so I can still motor

TheRedBaron
31st May 2007, 10:20 AM
That's a bummer, but at least you're getting a fresh one! What do you think got in there that bent it out of shape like that?

IronJoe
31st May 2007, 10:27 AM
breakin, stop leaving 10mm nuts in your intake!!! j/k, sorry to hear that man. Where is the turbo from? And what's your warranty like?

Breakin5speeds
31st May 2007, 02:41 PM
from a custom builder in canada "blaastperformance.com" pretty good customer service, 6 months fairly unconditional, and the first thing they ask was whether it ingested something.....I might have him upgrade it to watercooled, and 360 degree thrust bearing while I'm at it....

Breakin5speeds
20th June 2007, 10:13 PM
GOOD NEWS big turbo is rebuilt TOUGHER, and even bigger now.....on the way, and I got some more goodies yester days.....Stewart Warner Fuel Pressure Gauge from Summit Racing, which BTW is an Awesome Company, and they are starting to carry Saab parts to some level... Onto PICs that's why we all came here right?


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/fuelgauges2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/fuelgauges5.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/fuelgauges4.jpg

Breakin5speeds
20th June 2007, 10:20 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/fuelgauges1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/fuelgauges6.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/fuelgauges3.jpg

So what about the Gauge? GOOD, not phenominal but good and for $85 I can't complain, the Sender is friggin HUGE, and I could have mounted the cups at a better angle, but the install is clean and I'm happy, Gauge is good quality but the visibility due to the lighting is mediocre at night, during the day it is awesome

Breakin5speeds
21st June 2007, 12:33 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOO transmission is failing my beloved 4spd is sounds like a meat grinder in 3rd, DAMN IT:x

TheRedBaron
21st June 2007, 12:36 AM
Sorry to hear that...

...what saab specific parts has summit started selling btw?

Honkey
21st June 2007, 03:28 AM
You mean this thing was/is auto!!!???

I really like what you're doing to this saab mate :)

Saab-Daniel
21st June 2007, 06:07 AM
You mean this thing was/is auto!!!???

I really like what you're doing to this saab mate :)

No, an automatic is a 3-speed.
This is a 4-speed manuel.
Daniel.

Breakin5speeds
23rd June 2007, 01:41 AM
Sorry to hear that...

...what saab specific parts has summit started selling btw?



it's ok...usually my transmissions have a catostrophic failure, this one still has all the gears, just it sounds horrible, but I sourced a good lightly used 4 spd and have gone through it and am currently installing it, then I'll tear down my other one and see what's happening...

As for summit racing, not alot parts wise, but some and affordably, such as intrax springs, k&n filters, hi-pro brake pads, etc, etc

You mean this thing was/is auto!!!???

I really like what you're doing to this saab mate :)

Thanks always nice to have a fan club, and Daniel is correct it is and always will be a manual

Breakin5speeds
6th July 2007, 09:48 PM
So today I procured a 140 amp alternator, I believe from a 9-5, in new/near new condition, to install it I took a standard pulley and ground the step off the back of it, other than that install was fairly straightforward. My results are very similar to ShadowWorks with his 150 amp BMW alternator, except that my belt alignment is "less" skewed, it is still off kilt slightly, but only about 1/8", so about 4mm...not too bad especially when you consider how bad some cars are with bad bushings. Idle is more stable, starts are quicker due to a stonger battery, and the voltage drop when the fans kick on at idle is much much less, very happy. Anyways, the pics, here ya go....

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/alternator4.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/alternator2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/alternator3.jpg

Breakin5speeds
6th July 2007, 09:52 PM
Also recently got a wastegate from a Ford Thunderbird Turbo, probably one of the best internal wastegates (at least from OEM) for a T3 turbo. Much better flow then stock, I can't wait to get it installed with my 3 inch exhaust, just need to get the battery in the trunk when I get some more money.....pics:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/wastegate3.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/wastegate2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/wastegate1.jpg

Breakin5speeds
14th July 2007, 03:53 PM
I recently recieved my turbo back from the builder with a slightly larger compressor, 360 thrust bearing, and stagger gap oil seals. Well he machined the housing to fit the big compressor, but at certain clock positions and it you wiggled the compressort housing left and right you could get rub. So after two long days of careful and slight porting, transitioning and polishing I have this...

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/polishedturbo4.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/polishedturbo5.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/polishedturbo2.jpg

He also converted it to water cooled, so I have been gathering the necessary parts for the conversion from pure oil cooled to water and oil cooled, at the same time I think I'll drop in a slightly cooler thermostat 180 to 170 degrees

Breakin5speeds
21st July 2007, 10:48 PM
Small little ity bity update....Got my hands on an exhaust cam from and 85 Turbo, all I can say is wow, didn't expect a difference, but there is one. Car definitely revs quicker, and the turbo spools noticeably quicker, very happy. Also I tossed in a 170 degree thermostat, it helps, and yes there are 170 degree thermostats that are drop in replacements for a Saab.:cheesy:

Green9kAERO
23rd July 2007, 11:21 PM
sorry my ex cam didnt work for you.... :(

and you need to stop scaring off all the imports.... they read the "saab" badge on my car and run away, even before i give them a reason to, which leads me to believe that you embarassed tehm in the past.

and u just had to buy the biggest intercooler you could find, so now its such a bummer because we cant fit the 86 nose on that thing.... i would even have a set of ecodes you could put on that thing, but you had to buy that huge IC (yes i kno thats the best kind of IC).

ohh and we have a set of tan leather seats at the shop from a 95ish 9k... Power!! you should run em in ur car... and ditch the back seat:D ..
Jp

Breakin5speeds
4th August 2007, 10:06 PM
I have my big turbo back in, even bigger than before I believe the exducer on the compressor is a 67mm, and with the 85 exhaust cam it spools like stock, at 15 psi the car is smooth and FAST....love it, point of this update is that I installed a fan switch from a 9000 (which has high and low fan speeds), and wired up the low speed, lower temp to my car, so now my fans kick on at 87 degrees celisius (189 F) which is almost ideal, better than the other two options though, 82 degrees and the fan were ALWAYS running and the 92 degree switch and they almost never ran, and the car ran far too hot for my liking. So NOW my cooling system is pretty well sorted compensating for lack of airflow through the intercooler, the tweaks are as follows:

50/50 coolant water with Redline Water Wetter, 170 degree thermostat (77 degrees celsius), 1 stock fan replaced with low profile high volume quiter fan, 87 degree thero switch from a 9000, and a 140 amp Alternator from a 9-5 juicing the fan for extended running on hot days:cheesy:

idiot_saabvant
5th August 2007, 11:07 AM
I see you polished the intake side of the compressor, did you do the same to the outlet side? Did you port the outlet side? I'll be finished today on a similar project, upgraded turbo. So far I've been able to port about 4mm or so from the outlet side of my compressor housing. I'll have pictures later today.

pierre

Breakin5speeds
5th August 2007, 02:36 PM
actually I did slightly, pretty much just reached in as far as I could and smoothed out the casting marks...

Breakin5speeds
11th August 2007, 07:35 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/batterybox3.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/batterybox1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/batterybox2.jpg

I finally have a battery in my trunk and I LOVE IT:cheesy: , no electrical gremlins whatsoever, in fact the electrical system is in better shape, BUT then again I went overkill on everything, and the Optima battery has almost 200 more Cold Cranking Amps...details coming...should get a better camera, should have taken more pics

PS Vent tube goes to the side vent in the body like the sunroof drain, I think it fairly superflous, but better save then sorry

Breakin5speeds
11th August 2007, 07:40 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/positivecable.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/batteryground.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/junction2.jpg


Wiring up to the firewallllll, used the factory knockout for a RHD steering shaft to install a passthrough/junction

Breakin5speeds
11th August 2007, 07:43 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/junction.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/4570.jpg

Bought this little gem from Pegasusautoracing.com and it is a rather elegant solution to the dilema of getting though the firewall and splitting power to starter/alternator and the main harness

Breakin5speeds
11th August 2007, 08:14 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/startercable1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/extraground2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/extraground1.jpg

Here's part of the UBERKILL, 3 count em' 3 ground wires for the engine, 1 -6 gauge off the head to the firewall and 2 -2 gauge ground, 1 in the oem spot and this "spare" one from the block to the well, I call it spare because for 2 days I didn't have it and the car didn't care....ok parts list

1. Battery Relocation Kit from Summit Racing, there are mulitple options, I chose the premium it for the sealed box, and 0 Gauge positive cable, I chose black because it's cleaner, and the Red box kit was identical, except it was $50 more FaCK that!

2. Battery Pass Through/Junction from Pegasus Auto Racing, $10 and great quality and great fit for the project, and has a more secure connection then car audio junctions

3. 2 Gauge Black Battery cable for the grounds

4. 2 Gauge Red Battery cable for Junction to starter connection

4. 4 Gauge Red Battery cable for Junction to main harness and for Alternator to starter

5. Copper cable terminals (assorted) called "crimp" style but I solder them on, it's a cleaner more rugged connection, can be bought at any autoparts store for cheap, like $1 a piece usually 2 for $2

6. Heatshrink to keep terminal ends clean and looks good, double and triple covered for good luck

7. 1/2" Cable clamps

8. Selftaping screws for cable clamps

9. Battery Tray and J hooks to hold battery down and secure box to floor

10. "T"- Nuts and 1/4-20 hardware to secure box and tray to wooden floor

11. "Panel" nut to replace "slip" tab under front of wooden floor and actually BOLT floor to metal.

12. Battery washers to keep down corrison, best 1 dollar you can spend when installing a battery

13. Solder

14. Dielectric grease

15. Split loom conduit tubing to cover cable to starter and alternator (cheap insurance against heat and rubbing, heat mostly)

16. ZIP TIES!

Very happy with the install I think it's fairly clean, and handling has improved slightly from what I can tell...

philjohnhb
13th August 2007, 03:30 AM
A very smart job, the firewall solution from Pegasus is superb.


Now I wonder why you wanted to move the battery into the boot?!!!!!

Breakin5speeds
13th August 2007, 09:15 PM
A very smart job, the firewall solution from Pegasus is superb.


Thanks Phil! That means a ton coming from someone with a car as clean as yours... and I was very impressed with that junction from Pegasus, it is a hunk of brass, about 3 cm long with a diameter of about 2 cm, with 10mm studs (actually 3/8" SAE) machined out of the brass on the ends... I think it can handle as much current as I can thow at it, and I have noticed recently the electrical system is SO HEALTHY now, with all the stout connections and a battery with 200 more cold cranking amps then OEM, and a 140 amp alternator, the engine spins SO FAST when I start the car I can't believe it. LOVE IT:cheesy:

Saab6
13th August 2007, 10:14 PM
How did you go about tinting you front corner lamps?

They look very nice with a darkened yellow and white. I bit more appealing than clears IMHO..

Breakin5speeds
13th August 2007, 10:35 PM
It's a product called Nite Shades, about $10 a can, which is enough to do a few cars, I got my can off Ebay.... not too hard to find

philjohnhb
14th August 2007, 04:04 AM
the electrical system is SO HEALTHY now, with all the stout connections and a battery with 200 more cold cranking amps then OEM, and a 140 amp alternator, the engine spins SO FAST when I start the car I can't believe it. LOVE IT:cheesy:

What battery do you run and where did you get the 140 Amp Alt. My battery - new in January - doesn't hold charge for more than a month, there are no signs of problems with the electrical system so I guess that:

1. It doesn't like getting heat from the exhaust.
2. The draw from the ICE drains it quicker than the Alt can replace it.

So I think I need to do the same as you, I'll be moving the battery either to the other side of the engine bay or to the boot but replacing the Alt and buying a stronger battery seem like a sound idea.

Saab6
14th August 2007, 10:58 AM
It's a product called Nite Shades, about $10 a can, which is enough to do a few cars, I got my can off Ebay.... not too hard to find

Did you spray the inside of the corner or is the tinting spary applied to the outside of the lens?

Breakin5speeds
14th August 2007, 04:50 PM
The outside

Breakin5speeds
14th August 2007, 07:49 PM
What battery do you run and where did you get the 140 Amp Alt. My battery - new in January - doesn't hold charge for more than a month, there are no signs of problems with the electrical system so I guess that:

1. It doesn't like getting heat from the exhaust.
2. The draw from the ICE drains it quicker than the Alt can replace it.

So I think I need to do the same as you, I'll be moving the battery either to the other side of the engine bay or to the boot but replacing the Alt and buying a stronger battery seem like a sound idea.

Well most of that is outlined earlier in the post..... the alternator is a unit from a 9-5 I believe, I found it unlabeled on a shelf at my local Saab independent and talked them into taking $75 for it, absolute STEAL, if the alternator wasn't new it was darn close.... it was an almost direct drop in, I only took a stock pulley, and ground the step off the back till flush to get it to fit, belt alignment is ever so slightly skewed, but not much and belts are wearing normally and have stayed on with no issues for about 6000 miles so far, have taken the engine up to 6K rpms...

The battery is the stuff of legends over here, not sure about over there on the other side of the pond where you are... it is called an "Optima" is a sprial wrapped gel cel core.... non spillable, you could mount the battery upside down if you wanted, they have three basic types, blue, yellow, and red, blue is marine, yellow is automotive deep cycle, and red is auto starting....I went with the auto red top model RED 75/35 (35 chassis battery with top posts and side posts) check them out at www.optimabatteries.com (http://www.optimabatteries.com)

so far I love the battery, cost twice, almost three times as much as a stock battery but well worth it, (but I did buy it with a 20% employee discount)

And for my 2 cents, put the battery in the boot, putting it only on the other side of the engine bay is slightly easier, although not much and you're simply moving it from one crouded location to another, and with an open element filter (which you need for that location) I am leary about corrosive gasses, and fluids, attacking the filter and the AMM...probably not a problem but still.....and putting it in the trunk helps correct the 60/40% weight distribution of the car slightly and you can use it to offset the driver

philjohnhb
15th August 2007, 03:43 AM
Thanks for that - food for thought.

Breakin5speeds
21st September 2007, 09:36 AM
Well I'm accumulating all the parts for my custom 3" exhaust.... Wastegate...Check....Free Flowing muffler...Check.....Restrictive 3 brick OBD2 compliant catalytic converter...Che....Wait that's no good....

But this is

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/hollow3cat.jpg



http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/hollow3cat2.jpg

SHHHHHH don't tell them my secret.... I bought a 3" cat for about $50 from work and broke out the center as soon as I got home....then I took a 12 Gauge (incredibly thick) 3" exhaust pipe from Napa and cut it to length, then I perforated the pipe, and as I inserted the pipe into the cat I packed stainless steel dish scrubbers in around the sides, packed VERY tight. SOOO hopefully it will act somewhat like a silencer, also I know it will flow better than even a hollow cat, less likely to blow out and won't resonate. If you tap on the casing it sounds solid like it should. I'm going to take it to work and tack weld the pipe in place just to be thourough....I only wish I took more pics of the build

I HAS TEH BEST CAT ON TEH NETS

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/Forum%20Pics/ruler.jpg

Albert Trout
21st September 2007, 09:47 AM
I just hope you live with yourself and all the pollution you're pumping into our beautiful planet with your non-compliant cat. Me, I had no qualms about taking my Cat to a specialist and having it put down properly :D You've got to love Royal UK emission laws.

Breakin5speeds
21st September 2007, 11:51 AM
haha, I figure that fact that I have just about one of the only Saab 900's that doesn't leave a puddle on the ground everywhere I go that makes up for it.....

and with the way all turbos spit a little oil, and with how much fuel I have under boost, I don't expect any cat to last very long in my car...

RWElphinstone
21st September 2007, 01:53 PM
My concern would be the stainless steel "dish scrubbers" accessibility to oxygen through the holes you have drilled in the through-pipe. I'll bet you've never seen stainless steel burnbefore, have you?

Small, thin filaments of stainless steel will burn, given the right amount of the proper elements. Those being heat and oxygen.

Consider me a bit concerned.

Breakin5speeds
21st September 2007, 03:06 PM
it's the exact same thing racing mufflers are packed with....... I'm not too awfully worried....the reason why I didn't use fiberglass is because it is my experience (and many other from what I have heard) to fairly quickly "burn out" stainless steel wool lasts a bit longer


and yes I have seen stainless steel wool burn, and steel wool burn... in a outdoorsmen's survival kit you'll always find steel wool because you can light it with a battery or flame and it will smolder making fire starting easier....

This is fairly rugged, restaurant supply grade, scubbers, and not the thin wire stuff you find at your local market.....

and on a side note, I don't claim to understand the chemistry behind it, BUT stainless steel exhausts are HARDER to cut off with a torch then a plain steel exhaust is....

RWElphinstone
21st September 2007, 03:12 PM
Hey, if you're happy, I'm happy.

The reason I was only a 'bit concerned' was because it was on your car. Strangely enough, if it ever catches fire, my car probably won't be damaged in the least.

:cheesy:

IronJoe
21st September 2007, 04:38 PM
The reason I was only a 'bit concerned' was because it was on your car. Strangely enough, if it ever catches fire, my car probably won't be damaged in the least.



brilliant. sig material right there.

Breakin5speeds
21st September 2007, 05:49 PM
Hey, if you're happy, I'm happy.

The reason I was only a 'bit concerned' was because it was on your car. Strangely enough, if it ever catches fire, my car probably won't be damaged in the least.

:cheesy:

GEEEEZ with friends like that....lol....I did appreciate the initial sentiment:D


And a side note I have seen Saabs with rotted out exhaust heat shields, and a true cat fail, to the point of glowing red, and no fire....melted electricals yes....

and just to put my mind at ease I took some of the scrubbies and tried my best to get them to aggresively smolder using a propane torch....to no avail

So hopefully I'll be good

RWElphinstone
21st September 2007, 07:05 PM
brilliant. sig material right there.

That's very kind of you! Inspirational, even!

:cheesy:

CentralMaineSaab
23rd September 2007, 04:36 PM
You're in Auburn Maine??? I think I saw your car over at VIP in Auburn last year and I was gonna leave a "nice saab" note. Small world...

DanF.
23rd September 2007, 06:51 PM
B5S- I'm wondering about why you are even bothering converting the cat. into a quasi-silencer in the first place. Do you have a muffler, or was it just cat----> strait pipe---->tip?

I'm thinking about doing that myself, but just using a non-perforated pipe on the inside of my cat. Would regular aluminized-steel work fine, or do you think it'll burn up? haha this is gonna be rediculous...

Breakin5speeds
25th September 2007, 08:46 PM
You're in Auburn Maine??? I think I saw your car over at VIP in Auburn last year and I was gonna leave a "nice saab" note. Small world...

Hellllll Yeah I live in Auburn...in fact I am the Assitant Manager/Service Manager at the Auburn VIP....Stop in some time



B5S- I'm wondering about why you are even bothering converting the cat. into a quasi-silencer in the first place. Do you have a muffler, or was it just cat----> strait pipe---->tip?

I'm thinking about doing that myself, but just using a non-perforated pipe on the inside of my cat. Would regular aluminized-steel work fine, or do you think it'll burn up? haha this is gonna be rediculous...

DanF there are numerous reasons why I did what I did to the cat.... Firstly that cat was good to about 300 hp.... sufficient I guess...but I'm pretty close to that already....Secondly tuned turbo cars have a way of destroying and/or having extremely hot cats due to oil and extra fuel under boost collecting and buring in the substrate....Thirdly hollow cats don't flow as well as a pipe....gases lose velocity when the chamber they are passing through expands, and like most aftermarket cats the pipes extend into the chamber, not a smooth transition like in a Saab Factory Cat...also I have a hollow factory cat right now and it resonates...and if you tap on it you instantly know it's hollow...this new cat you can't tell.....also my current MSS exhaust is loud as hell when the boost builds, I want my new system to at least be slightly quieter, but still free flowing....

as for using plain steel wool....I decided against because I won't be able to get at it so I used restaurant grade stainless stell scrubbers... they're fairly heavy duty metal... "real steel wool" is very fine and not much more likely than fiberglass to burn out

Green9kAERO
26th September 2007, 10:22 PM
The reason I was only a 'bit concerned' was because it was on your car. Strangely enough, if it ever catches fire, my car probably won't be damaged in the least.

:cheesy:

if it catches fire wont it be enclosed by stainless steel anyway, temperture would barely rise 20 degrees and it wouldnt beable to hold a flame for any period of time anyway!
and yes, the worst that will happen is it will cook the undercoating on the floor, and light the wiring harness on fire, which are actually in all honesty simple to fix.

i wouldnt think twice about letting jake do the same to my 3' magnaflow racecat..

and i can vouch for him being around 300 hp, as my car should put down a pretty solid 230 whp and 300 wtq, if you were to compare his car to mine he must be around 250 whp if not more, which calculates to 300 crank.. but all bets are off when i get that t25/28:evil:
JP

BoostHunter
27th September 2007, 02:18 AM
Is it possible to get backfire/flames shooting out the exhaust with a cat?

Wouldn't cops know straight away that your running a hollow cat if your backfiring?

TooMany2cvs
27th September 2007, 03:49 AM
Is it possible to get backfire/flames shooting out the exhaust with a cat?

Wouldn't cops know straight away that your running a hollow cat if your backfiring?

I'd have thought that if plod saw you running it hard enough to have flames out of the tailpipe on the over-run, then wondering about whether your cat is legit is not going to be at the top of their agenda.

BoostHunter
27th September 2007, 08:48 AM
I'd have thought that if plod saw you running it hard enough to have flames out of the tailpipe on the over-run, then wondering about whether your cat is legit is not going to be at the top of their agenda.

Well when its a 25K fine for not having a cat where I am from, its a bit more important than just a ticket from the fuzz.

If you let off >4000RPM without a cat it backfires so your not really going that fast.

Breakin5speeds
27th September 2007, 10:24 AM
I have never had flames.... never had a cat....

TooMany2cvs
27th September 2007, 11:50 AM
If you let off >4000RPM without a cat it backfires so your not really going that fast.

There's rather a lot of c900 turbos (outside the US) which have never had a cat which don't seem to, though...

DanF.
27th September 2007, 11:47 PM
I suppose if it was an unrestricted straight pipe all the way back you could have flames... however, wouldnt the turbo muffle the flame to the point of being non-existent??

Breakin5speeds
28th September 2007, 10:32 AM
to have flame you need unburnt fuel and ignition..... if fuel and ignition is properly set up it's not a concern.....and mind you the exhaust is about 12 feet of windy piping.... and if you can shoot flames without a cat it means something is not setup correctly and if you had a cat you'd likely destroy it with all the fuel you're putting through it...which is more likely to cause a fire in the car then my stainless steel scrubbies

BoostHunter
28th September 2007, 01:47 PM
I'll be more specific, backfire = fuel igniting in the exhaust system making a *PoP POP Pop* sound. This is what I get with a detached cat.

I've seen a few GTRs and RX7s shoot flames when they let off from boost standing still. I assume this means they just dump more fuel into their exhaust right?

Is there any way to get atleast the backfiring to occur with a cat? I really enjoy my car backfiring and flames would just about be the coolest thing ever :)

TooMany2cvs
28th September 2007, 02:03 PM
I'll be more specific, backfire = fuel igniting in the exhaust system making a *PoP POP Pop* sound. This is what I get with a detached cat.

When you say "with a detached cat", d'you mean "with the exhaust completely ending where the cat normally would" or do you mean "with a bit of straight pipe inserted in place of the cat"?

Yes, it'll pop and crackle on the over-run with the exhaust ending so short - doesn't even need to be a Turbo to do that.

Breakin5speeds
29th September 2007, 09:48 AM
I've never had flames....I've even vaporized raw fuel out my tailpipe... and I have a glasspack muffler, which is straight through....yes it pops and crackles... it's been so long since I had a solid cat I can't tell you if it does it with one as well....but the pop and crackle and burble coming down from around 3000 rpms to 2000 rpms is awesome. best sound in the world... I absolutely love the 900 16 valve turbo exhaust sound.... I wouldn't upgrade my manifold to gain 50 hp if I lost that sound...besides I already have enough power to break stuff:cheesy:

BoostHunter
29th September 2007, 11:11 AM
When you say "with a detached cat", d'you mean "with the exhaust completely ending where the cat normally would" or do you mean "with a bit of straight pipe inserted in place of the cat"?

Yes, it'll pop and crackle on the over-run with the exhaust ending so short - doesn't even need to be a Turbo to do that.

Yeah I mean the exhaust ends where the cat would begin.

I'm going to have to put it all back together to get by rego this month ;oops:


I'm really going to miss the backfiring, crackle and Pop

Swamp Yankee
11th October 2007, 06:19 PM
I've never had flames....I've even vaporized raw fuel out my tailpipe... and I have a glasspack muffler, which is straight through....yes it pops and crackles... it's been so long since I had a solid cat I can't tell you if it does it with one as well....but the pop and crackle and burble coming down from around 3000 rpms to 2000 rpms is awesome. best sound in the world... I absolutely love the 900 16 valve turbo exhaust sound.... I wouldn't upgrade my manifold to gain 50 hp if I lost that sound...besides I already have enough power to break stuff:cheesy:

I couldn't agree more...I just picked up an '88 SPG with 2.5" from the Turbo back with no cat and only a glasspack...Sounds amazing on and off the throttle!

Breakin5speeds
20th October 2007, 10:05 PM
So apparently "I have become a legend in my spare time"....Just last night I was driving around and a guy in a VW pulled up next to me at a stop light and signaled me to roll down my window. I did and he complimented me on my car and my build and what he has read on this forum.... pretty cool, like the 3rd time in 2 or 3 months this has happened....

Anyway progress is being made in the way of the 3" exhaust, just spent $200 on piping and bend from Napa and Summit Racing....not long now, intended on washing and waxing the car this weekend, but between the rain and my social life it didn't happen...

The last few days though I have made some changes to the exterior...

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/chromelugs.jpg

CHROME LUG NUTS.... my brother suggested it many moons ago, they are growing on me, I bought Gorilla brand lugs and I highly recommend them, very high quality, and triple chrome plated....they don't rust very easy... and if you looooook very very closely you can spot two minor changes, I'll point them out in the next post

ALSO

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/europlate.jpg

The Swedish plate has been on for a while but I figured I'd show it off...

Two guesses what type of trees I have to park under...

Breakin5speeds
20th October 2007, 10:21 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/redtaillights2.jpg

Figure out the changes yet?

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/redtaillights1.jpg


How about now? Well I changed my taillights, I tinted the orange directionals red AND I shortened a spare antenna, Fairly happy with both mods...

The antenna has equal to if not better then stock reception, I took the time, did some math, and trimmed the antenna to 1/16 wavelength, which is roughly 7.5", so reception seems to have been retained.... (BTW use a very fine saw to trim antennas, they are fiberglass with a copper wire in the center) I then basically made a tip out of JB Weld mostly and standed the fiberglass whip and painted it all again in flat black

As for the directionals I very carefully sanded them with 1000 grit and cleaned with non detergant glass cleaner, then I very carefully taped them off, then for the tint paint I used Plasti-Kote's Anodizit red top coat enamel, its a 2 part paint that simulates the anodized metal look, like Duplicolor's metal cast

http://www.plastikote.com/plastikote/sidemenu/anodizit.jpg

The paint was VERY easy to use, even though it was probably too cold the night I painted the lights... the lights aren't any darker, but the orange doesn't really shine through, even with amber bulbs, and with red tails instead of tinted the rear end has not really "lightened up" cosmetically, but the lights are easier to see

Breakin5speeds
29th October 2007, 10:03 PM
Awesomeness
Fastness
3 inch Downpipe and Exhaust
So I finally entered the ring with the Big Dogs....FMIC, BIG Turbo, and BIG Exhaust.....

So Pics:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/3inchdownpipe1.jpg


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/3inchdownpipe2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/3inchdownpipe3.jpgThe downpipe is beautiful, I like the wrap a ton, I took the advice to soak it first, made wrapping it much easier, and then when it dried, it shrunk and got snug, then I sealed it, love it, great fit, BUT if I had known the "Ultimate Internal Wastegate" was going to be an issue to fit, I would have used a external wastegate, Also V clamp flanges are a pain in the *****, you have to BE PERFECT for them to seal, next time around If using a V clamp and flanges I would put a flex section in the Down pipe for easy lining up, a external wastegate with a quick discount V clamp flange connected to one end of a flex pipe in the down pipe would have been ideal....

Breakin5speeds
29th October 2007, 10:09 PM
More pictures, working my way down the line
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/3inchdpandcat.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/3inchcat.jpg

Breakin5speeds
29th October 2007, 10:30 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/3inchmuffler1.jpghttp://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/3inchmuffler3.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/3inchmuffler2.jpg


So Impressions and Afterthoughts.....

First impression, sound is ok, deeper and not as loud as before, but I lost much of the pop crackle and burble coming down, but it still sounds like a 900

Which is good...

Second Impression; HOLEEEEE SH!T the car CRANKS.....I was absolutely blown away by the transformation.... the turbo spooooools so incredibly fast...
Clutch slip in 1st and 2nd is fairly prevalent, with a 9000 clutch mind you...Trying to decide if I want to replace the clutch it has slipped in 1st and 2nd for a while now, and my transmission thanks me....

Sidenote, car is considerably quieter, which is nice around town

Afterthoughts:

I would do a few things differently, I would order a couple more bends than what I had, I was glad I had a chop saw, BUT I would spend the $200 and buy a better one, and definitely have a better welder, and also a belt/disc sander for "V"ing the ends of the pipes and cleaning them up would be nice....

The exhaust is a nice fit, with a nice sound I am VERY HAPPY WITH IT, not shown in the pics is a coat of silver high temp paint on most surfaces after the cat, a thin coat of exhaust crack/seam/joint sealer on the welds to take care of any pinholes (then painted over) and a fairly stiff hanger on the tailpipe, keeps alot of "clunking" on bumps down, mind you it never buzzed or rattled, also those band clamps work well with a strong air impact wrench when you have a straight connection, but on the tailpipe I had to ditch the band clamp and replace it with a conventional clamp

Favorite performance mod so far:cheesy:

dlb
30th October 2007, 01:43 AM
Awesome job Breakin! Say, what rpm are you hitting full boost now compared to your previous setup? Also do you think there are any dyno runs in your future?

Breakin5speeds
30th October 2007, 07:32 PM
Awesome job Breakin! Say, what rpm are you hitting full boost now compared to your previous setup? Also do you think there are any dyno runs in your future?

Thanks!

Well I am still dialing in the fuel and boost level in....so no real answer, just that the boost build is much quicker, and I can step on it at about 3k which it used to be around 3.5k.... give or take.

As for dyno runs, eventually, but probably after I megasquirt is with ford edis:cheesy:

Green9kAERO
3rd November 2007, 02:18 PM
i thought you were going for a "real Stand alone" and didnt want megasquirt..:nono;
might i suggest the MSnSII i think.... the new version is suppose to be pretty sick:cheesy:

Anyways, looks like the 9k is getting sold. its a fun car but i wanna build something different.. perhaps an SPG or a 9-5:roll:
and if the Vw guy was in a yellow golf, i bet i know who it was, and i know who gave him the details on your monster:D
need another ride in that thing...
wouldnt suggest a 6 finger performance disk, those eat flywheels, ask joshua.
butyea, i better get a ride before u move to another state:(
sorry i couldnt help u with ur exaust, welder still isnt hooked up, gettting frustrated!!!
catch yas later.
i would visit but i can never find your road let alone your house.
JP

99sven
3rd November 2007, 09:31 PM
I was able to put my stage 1 TEC turbo and my downpipe with exter. wg plus an ebay intercooler with custom piping and found the same thing. Great upgrade. Need to upgrade the clutch as well.

Breakin5speeds
10th November 2007, 01:48 AM
YAY........ I can has mores lights....:cheesy:

Cheap upgrade, it's not E-Code headlamps, and they're not HID's, but I still have high/low beams and considerably more light for next to nothing....this has only been mentioned twice on this forum, I may be the first Saaber to try it....

I converted my headlights from 9004 bulbs to 9007 bulbs

Why?

1. Cheap, and easy 2 step process
2. More low-beam light
3. Low Cost
4. 1 Step reversal of mod

9004 bulbs are dual filament bulbs, low beam is 45 Watts, and high beam is 65 Watts

9007 bulbs are also dual filament bulbs with the same electrical connector, with 55 Watt low beams, and 65 Watts high beams

So onto the process:

1: ***OPTIONAL***- BUT RECOMMENDED- Cut off, throw away, and replace your factory Saab headlight connecters, they were crap new, and are even worse when they are 20 years old and brittle. My recommendation is to replace them with 9004 plugs from a VOLVO 240 or 740 from the 1980's, yes from a Volvo, old Volvo plugs are better then new plugs from a parts store, they are a high temp black plastic that never gets brittle, heavy gauge wire, and nice rubber moisture boot on the back. Wire them up stock with crimpable heat shrink insulation butt connectors (blue 16-14 gauge), these work even better than soldering.

http://www.atlanticmandd.com/images/HeatShrink_Connectors_v01.jpg

They are weather-proof and won't let the wire pull free, most have an adhesive in the insulation. Even if you don't change your bulbs this is an Excellent and almost free upgrade/repair, highly recommend.

2. The next step is to make the 9007 bulbs fit into the headlamp reflectors. 9004 and 9007 bulbs mount identically, but both types of bulbs are "keyed" to only fit in the "appropriate" housings. 9004 and 9007 bulbs each have 3 slots in them for 3 tabs in the headlamp housing to slide into, but they are at different clock positions. This way 9004 bulbs won't fit into a 9007 headlights and vice versa, we want to change this fact. Fortunately it's easy to do and not very intrusive.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/9004headlamp.jpg

9004 and 9007 bulbs share the "12 o' clock" locator tab, and one tab is all you need to make either style of bulb line up and fit. You have two options, modify the 9007 bulbs to fit or modify the headlamp housings to fit the bulbs. The latter is easier, and you don't have re-dremel any new bulbs to fit (would suck in an emergency). The Saab reflectors are a type of fiberglass, so I took a VERY sharp wood chisel and removed locator tabs 2 and 3. Other methods would work, but this made no dust and was quick....there you go 9007 bulbs in a 9004 headlight.

3. Third and final step, change the pinout of the electrical connectors. Eventhough the stock plugs will fit into the 9007 bulbs, THEY WILL NOT WORK properly. You will have headlamps, but high and low will be swapped, and other "funkiness" will occur.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/9004plug.jpg

9004 bulbs are wired as such, 1:Common 2:Low 3: High and 9007 bulbs are wired 1: Low 2: Common 3: High. So to fix this you need to swap pins 1 & 2. I do not have Saab plugs, I have Volvo plugs in my car but the process should be similar: With the igntion off (And with the negative battery terminal disconnected preferably), unplug the connectors from the bulbs if not already. Then remove/pry out the rear rubber plug/boot. Then from the front of the connector take a stiff paperclip straightened out, or a pin, or small straight pick, insert said tool in notch above terminal. This should release the terminals from the connectors, then you can carefully pull them free from the back of the connector, and change their positions. Insert the terminals into the new positions and carefully push them forward till they click back into place, make sure they're in straight and securely. This is the most critical step, DON'T SET YOU CAR ON FIRE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T FULLY OR SECURELY INSERT THE TERMINALS! Now put the rear rubber plug/boot back and plug in your 9007 converted plugs into your 9007 bulbs that are in your 9007 converted headlamps. Turn on your headlamps and try them out.

There you have it: 2 steps, 1: Remove key tabs, and 2: Change harness pinout...easy to reverse.

Final thoughts:

Very happy, Considerably brighter, and nicer to drive at night, for little money.
You may need to re-aim your headlamps afterwards, 9007 bulbs filaments are perpendicular to 9004 bulbs and the beam may shift. Most bang for your buck will be to use high output bulbs.. (DO NOT USE HIGHER WATTAGE BULBS) A 10 WATT increase is minor but the 80watt/100watt bulbs that are available are fire hazards, and are not legal for road use. I recommend GE Nighthawks which are what I used, and are very nice, very white, OR Sylvania Silverstars, but as a person who sells autoparts for a living I can tell you the GE bulbs are longer lasting and more durable, I used to warranty Silverstars almost daily till my company changed from Sylvania to GE, I haven't replaced 1 GE Nighthawk bulb due to premature failure.

Disclaimer: I am not responsible for any results or your actions while utilizing this info, use at your own risk....Just be careful and smart and don't set your car on fire.:lol:

Breakin5speeds
17th November 2007, 12:34 PM
So minor upgrade/downgrade depending on how you look at it, I call it a retro-grade

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/idlevalve.jpg

The picture sucks but hopefully you get the idea.... I removed my AIC valve and replaced it with an idle valve from an 8 Valve, once again very happy, My Idle is a reliable predictable stable 875 rpms....hot cold warm doesn't matter, very straightforward install, simply remove the AIC valve bolt The old Skool valve in place of it, then run hoses, my install was slightly quirky due to having a Weber Throttle and the hose connections are on the other side of the throttle body, as for the wiring, VERY simple... all you need is power and ground and a injector style connector, I made an adaptor and took power from the AIC connector (center pin BTW) and then grounded the other side, took about 20 minutes at most to brew up....

On a non car related note, finished up at my job on Thursday, packing today and tommorrow, hitting the road on Monday, and will be In Central Virginia on tuesday (11/20/07) city of Lynchburg...looking for Saab Wreckers, service shops, and Saab Owners to chew the fat with and drink beer...let me know folks!:D

BTW if you live in Central Maine, Visit Lewis Auto Sales in Lewiston on route 196/Lisbon St and say hi to Mary, Rick, Dick, and JP, they are the best and true friends...if you need something classic 900 or 9000 they are the place to go:D

Green9kAERO
14th December 2007, 09:40 PM
damn jake, you havent even posted since the relocation, whats up with that... maybe this summer if my SPG is finished ill take a joy ride down there to see ya... then we could do a engine swap, and you could have a responsful engine again, and i could have a t3/t4:)
JP

DanF.
15th December 2007, 02:55 AM
hell ya.... maybe you'll do some burnouts in my car and figure out how to kill all the damn trolls. well, at least for a year anyway.

Breakin5speeds
7th January 2008, 08:31 PM
Well, I am in Virginia now YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY it's January 7th and it's 60 degrees out, I've riding my bikes and boards and I LOVE IT, plus no road Salt!

Anyways I have been kind of hidden in the Hills of Amherst county at my folks house while my Father and I renovate my news house...bleck.....WITH DIAL UP so that's why I have sort of disappeared


Well Car update....TURBO BLEW UP.....Needless to say I was PISSED 6 months since last rebuild, after a little griping the builder agreed to repair it for free and install a .63 exhaust housing for just the $60 for the housing. At the same time I am having him upgrade the exhaust turbine to a Stage 1 1/2 or Mercedes turbine, it has bigger fins and should give be quicker spooling. Also I asked him to port the wastegate dump hole....So the new setup should spool nicely and support 400Hp which is my ultimate goal

But in the meanwhile I have done this....

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/dualbov1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/dualbov2.jpg

The Eagles Eyes in the group will see that Installed an Airtemp sensor for the future Megasquirt conversion

As for the Blow Off Valves, I belief some of my turbo issues (such as short life, slow spooling after shifting-which caused poor fueling) where due to not enough air being blown off, after a bit of thinking I decided to go this route....it gives me the flow I need, quicker valve respone, and gives me flexibility in the setup (I could vent one to atmosphere if I wanted), and it just looks COOL! If 1 is good more is better:cheesy:

The valves are very high flowing and extremely well made, they are rebuildable, serviceable, return spout can be replaced with a trumpet,oem fit, and were VERY AFFORDABLE---Just $45 each, bought from an ebay company called VECCO High Performance, great transaction....I can't wait to get the new turbo and get these baby's poppin'!:cheesy:

TheRedBaron
7th January 2008, 10:04 PM
Sweet :cool:

And welcome to Virginia! I know Mike's down in the bottom bit, I'm not sure who's in the middle with you, but there's a bunch of us up in northern VA, although I've only met a few, we do hang out a bit (generally when someone's car breaks :lol:), and one guy's got a sweet garage (and 8 saabs). Bit of a hike, though, from where you are. There is actually an organized saab club around here, "WASSAAB" and they actually have events/funruns/etc but I haven't been to any. I think there's some events closer to you in the near future, a hot rod fun run near Richmond, and a British Car Day near williamsburg. Here's a thread, but I think you have to email someone to get permission to post there, it's a "local only forum" within TSL I never bothered anyway http://saablink.net/forum/showthread.php?t=25060

IronJoe
7th January 2008, 11:34 PM
Welcome back bud!

The Eagles Eyes in the group will see that Installed an Airtemp sensor for the future Megasquirt conversion


What did you use to install this? I was doing the very same thing today... But I don't have a 9k chargepipe with the correct threads lying around. What is your IAT screwing into? Do tell.

Breakin5speeds
8th January 2008, 11:04 AM
Well Joe, I actually I had a couple of 9000 Charge Pipes.....fairly easy to install, cut around the bung, and then "Ripped" the aluminum out from around the bung, they are sort of "Riveted" in place, so there is a nice step, then I cleaned up the corrosion "V'eed" the bung where it would mate to the pipe, then drilled the pipe, so the bung pushed in snug, then I brazed/soldiered/welded them together, then a little bit of JB Weld for security and pinholes....if you don't have a 9000 charge pipe a bit of aluminum stock cut, drilled, and tapped would work well I'm sure ;)

Green9kAERO
9th January 2008, 05:20 PM
wow, i see the method to your madness.....
JP

idiot_saabvant
9th January 2008, 05:32 PM
B5S,

So one can obtain a "hybrid" exhaust turbine that fits our T3 different from stock. You mentioned a MB turbine, is this different than a stage II? You'll like the 0.63 exhaust housing, the turbo really kicks in 'round 3500rpm.

pierre

Breakin5speeds
10th January 2008, 09:21 AM
B5S,

So one can obtain a "hybrid" exhaust turbine that fits our T3 different from stock. You mentioned a MB turbine, is this different than a stage II? You'll like the 0.63 exhaust housing, the turbo really kicks in 'round 3500rpm.

pierre

Well "Stages" are mythical steps assigned by performance companies... yes it is a turbine from a Mercedes T3, my turbo builder calls it a Stage 1 1/2, probably because it's not a power upgrade, it's strictly for faster spooling...either way it's an upgrade:D

Breakin5speeds
13th January 2008, 04:24 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/tps1.jpg


I fabbed up a quick adaptor plate to mount a Potentiometer style TPS....I know many of you ask "why don't you just use a throttle from a 2.1?" welllll as some of you may also know I have a Weber Throttle Body and it mounts the old style TPS.... and it will be a cold day in the devil's zip code before I give it up....YAY 1 More step closer to going MegaSquirt, now I just need a Daily Driver, a laptop, a wide band (already have an O2 bung welded in), Larger injectors, and EDIS setup and I'll be stylin':cool:

Green9kAERO
16th January 2008, 10:32 PM
sounds like an upgrade from the Off/Part-throttle/WOT positions your LH2.2 is use to.

ill need a ride once its megasquirted, i think its fast in its present tune, who knows what jakes capable of with a stand alone ECU
JP

Breakin5speeds
7th February 2008, 11:10 AM
sounds like an upgrade from the Off/Part-throttle/WOT positions your LH2.2 is use to.

ill need a ride once its megasquirted, i think its fast in its present tune, who knows what jakes capable of with a stand alone ECU
JP

Thanks JP! You're my biggest fan, lol...she's considerably faster than the last time you rode in it....

On that note, I got my turbo back from the builder and installed, and at only 15 psi the car is a smooth rocket, think I'll stay at 15 psi till I get megasquirt installed....This is by far the best turbo yet, Mercedes turbine, and .63 Exhaust, lots of power, and no leaks, and NO smoke not even the occasional warm weather puff, which is abnormal for rebuilds, lets hope this is Lucky number 3

On the megasquirt side of things:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/distributorplug1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/distributorplug2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/distributorplug3.jpg

It's a distributor plug made from an old distributor, I may just get a stock plug from a 9000, But this was a fun way to kill an afternoon and find a use for a damaged part...The center is plugged with a 3/4" bolt (I asked my former machinist father to put a pipe thread in it, but he cut a bolt thread, oh well) So for $.55 I took a 3/4" bolt and gooped it up good with anaerobic sealent and threaded it in so tight it will never come out, then cut it flush....


On another note I have my DUAL BOV's hooked up and they work sweet! Flow alot of air, the big turbo loves them, and they make a pleasant audible "Chirp" Very recognizable from the side of the street, but not ricey and abnoxious...I'll have to get some pics:cheesy:

Breakin5speeds
12th February 2008, 10:03 PM
COILAGE! I have decided to buy as many "New" parts as possible for the Megasquirt conversion, A: Because I'm lazy and don't feel like junkyard scavenging, B: I'm a parts manager at an autoparts store and get great discounts, C: I figure new parts will help if and more likely when I have to trouble shoot....

So Far on the Parts list I have:

TPS
Air Temp Sensor (from 9000 charge pipe laying in parts pile)
Coolant Temp Sensor (on car)
EDIS Control Module (Ebay)
Ignition Coil ($40 @ Work, GP Sorenson part# GC-427)
Crank Sensor ($16 @ Work, GP Part# CSS-19, or Standard PC-19)

Well here are some pics of the ignition coil mounted to a spare valve cover:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/Megasquirt/ediscoil2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/Megasquirt/ediscoil1.jpg



As you probably realize I Installed grommets for the plug wires for cylinders 2 and 3, seeing as how their spark plugs are just about eclipsed but my coil mounting... Using wire seperators I don't believe the wires for Cylinders 1 and 4 will rub on the mounting plates..but we'll see. Finding wires that will work will be a challenge in and amongst itself. I can buy nice Motorcraft spark plug wires from work, but wires for any Ford with EDIS 4, all the wire save for maybe 1 are too long. I may be able to trim the wires back and re-crimp/crimp on new ends for the ignition coil (seeing as how no one makes a DIY custom wire set for Ford EDIS), and/or I'll go to a stealership and see if I can purchase individual plugs wires....

Plugs: I think I'll use BCPR7ES-11 or BCPR7EIX-11 Plugs which have a gap of .044" (1.1mm) for use with an DI cassette...EDIS 4 gapping is .054" So they should work well with this ignition and high boost....

I mounted the coil where I did to localize and minimize lengths on the wiring loom, and I didn't think exhaust heat from fender mounting would be ideal, eventhough L.H 2.4 cars had them over on the right fender, and I didn't want to have long dangling plug wires that would be flexing....and coils mounted over the head is proven in multiple application and it keeps the coils dry...

IronJoe
14th February 2008, 12:25 PM
Nice work on the mount! I've been playing with mine as well.

I stayed away from mounting them inbetween the cams because Keith mentioned that he put a dent in his hood doing that :roll: They are too tall apparently.

Perhaps you could mount them upside-down?

Im planning on using the holes in the 2.3 head (engine hoist spot) to bolt on a mounting bracket - I'll post pics of course.

Breakin5speeds
14th February 2008, 10:44 PM
Nice work on the mount! I've been playing with mine as well.

I stayed away from mounting them inbetween the cams because Keith mentioned that he put a dent in his hood doing that :roll: They are too tall apparently.

Perhaps you could mount them upside-down?

Im planning on using the holes in the 2.3 head (engine hoist spot) to bolt on a mounting bracket - I'll post pics of course.

Well, this allows easy routing of cables and short efficient plug wires, I took the hint from Gary Moores car...if you look carefully you'll notice that the vast majority of the coil is inbetween the cams, very little sticks up, NO ISSUES with clearance whatsoever, and I think I have figured out my plug wire problem....Accel makes a Plug End repair kit for $25, I'm sure it comes with 8 Plug Terminals, and 8 Plug boots, 4 for me, 4 for Joe;) ... I can then just buy some 8mm Motorcraft wires and trim them to length YAY

DanF.
14th February 2008, 10:44 PM
Your progress looks awesome. I'm so far behind the tuning curve now I'd have to quit college and work 60 hours a week to catch up.

Can't wait to see how this baby turns out.

Breakin5speeds
15th February 2008, 01:21 AM
Your progress looks awesome. I'm so far behind the tuning curve now I'd have to quit college and work 60 hours a week to catch up.

Can't wait to see how this baby turns out.

nhhhh that's ok, I didn't do squat for tuning in college no time, no money:confused: Just take your time and at the very least you'll learn a thing or two

Breakin5speeds
19th February 2008, 09:01 PM
More Pics.....

Got some more parts in for my future Megasquirt conversion

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/Megasquirt/edismodule.jpg

IronJoe
19th February 2008, 11:36 PM
Have you chosen a trigger wheel yet?

We need to compare notes.

Breakin5speeds
20th February 2008, 01:33 PM
Have you chosen a trigger wheel yet?

We need to compare notes.

Not yet Joe, I'm thinking any trigger wheel with alot of metal on it, to facilitate mounting....I don't have A/C in the Mork Monster so I plan on mounting the trigger wheel where the A/C drive pulley would typically be...The deal is I don't feel like taking the effort to get one off at a junk yard....and I can buy a new crank pulley with trigger wheel at work for less money then many people are paying for just the trigger wheel on Ebay....

For Wires I am going to buy Motorcraft wires and plug wire repair ends from SummitRacing.com...that should work welll

STILL NEED TO BUY A LAPTOP AND A DAILY DRIVER....

If anyone has either that they want to sell PM me....

IronJoe
20th February 2008, 01:45 PM
No AC in my car either, I'm going to mount the trigger wheel right where the AC pulley goes.

4 bolts and you're in. I just have to choose a size. I am going to mount the VR sensor off of the AC bracket.

Let me know how the wires end up. I just got some stock ones.

TheRedBaron
20th February 2008, 01:45 PM
What does the name of this car mean?

Jokke A
20th February 2008, 04:45 PM
What does the name of this car mean?

It's in Swedish
mjörk = dark
stjärna = star

Saab-Daniel
20th February 2008, 05:14 PM
Hopefully, you are planning to put the trigger-wheel ON the crank, and not on the AC-pulley it self, right?
You need it on the crank itself, otherwise you can risk the belt-driven wheel gets pulled a bit...
Daniel

IronJoe
20th February 2008, 05:35 PM
Yup. speedparts

Breakin5speeds
20th February 2008, 10:53 PM
Hopefully, you are planning to put the trigger-wheel ON the crank, and not on the AC-pulley it self, right?
You need it on the crank itself, otherwise you can risk the belt-driven wheel gets pulled a bit...
Daniel

When I was brain Storming a while back I had a "Special MOMENT" if you will, and I thought about mounting the crank trigger on the input shaft off the clutch....lotta good that would do..... hahaha

It's in Swedish
mjörk = dark
stjärna = star

That's spot on Jokke....I'm just glad that with my limited knowledge of Swedish I was able to get it right:D


Also I was looking at crank pulleys for 4 cylinder fords today at work and I pulled up a pic of the Crank Trigger wheel I need, and I guy I work with is fairly certain he has one on an old motor behind his garage YAY

and Joe, you're going to mount your Crank Sensor where? I was going to mount mine on a bracket using a couple of bolts for the timing cover... it needs to be something like 1mm away from the trigger wheel

Jokke A
21st February 2008, 12:07 AM
That's spot on Jokke....I'm just glad that with my limited knowledge of Swedish I was able to get it right:D

Actually I would say Mjörk stjärnan for "The dark star", I think mjörk stjärna means "A dark star". But my knowledge of swedish is also quite limited, enough with the Swedish grammar, back to tuning Saabs! :lol:

Breakin5speeds
29th February 2008, 09:03 PM
First off, Joe the wheel is this big:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/Megasquirt/reluctor1.jpg

It's my "new" reluctor ring from a Ford Explorer with a 3.0 V6....

It's 5 inches across and that makes it ideal for a 900 crank pulley, which happens to be about 4 3/4 inches across on the final pulley...

I may shim it out slightly with some washers so that I don't have any interaction with the crank sensor and the pulley, but I think I'll be fine....

Also I ordered my plug wires and custom ends from Summit Racing, and I learned I had my cylinders numbered incorrectly on my coil... Some Goof Off and a Sharpie and all is well

More pics:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/Megasquirt/reluctor3.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/Megasquirt/reluctor2.jpg

Also I found a company online that specializes in Ford Fuel Injection and I was able to get a new wiring pigtail for my crank sensor, they also sell custom harnesses and all the plugs you need for an EDIS setup...I can dig up their name and address if anyone is interested

dlb
2nd March 2008, 01:05 PM
Hey Breakin, Are you using the crank sensor from the Ford Explorer as well? Also how are you going about mounting the crank sensor? Thanks

Breakin5speeds
2nd March 2008, 01:34 PM
Hey Breakin, Are you using the crank sensor from the Ford Explorer as well? Also how are you going about mounting the crank sensor? Thanks

Actually I am using a crank sensor from a Ford Escort, as far I know any Variable reluctance (VR) sensor will work, this includes ABS wheel speed sensors. I mentioned it on the earlier page....as for mounting it I am going to come up with a bracket made from aluminum to mount it using a couple of the timing cover bolts...I am debating on making the mount for the sensor with a curved slot so I can "tweak" the sensors position just in case, but we'll see

dlb
2nd March 2008, 02:23 PM
I found some pics of a crank sensor hooked up on a c900.


http://www.saab4fun.com/Knut2004/imagepages/image300.htm

http://www.saab4fun.com/Knut2004/imagepages/image301.htm

http://www.saab4fun.com/Knut2004/imagepages/image299.htm

Breakin5speeds
2nd March 2008, 05:13 PM
Thanks for those links, gives me some ideas...that looks like a trionic setup on a Classic 900, maybe a wheel speed sensor or a in block crank sensor would be better:D

dlb
2nd March 2008, 05:18 PM
Check out Widde's website it seems he used an ezk oil pump cover because there is a spot for the crank sensor to go. He's got pictures of it.

Breakin5speeds
2nd March 2008, 08:59 PM
Check out Widde's website it seems he used an ezk oil pump cover because there is a spot for the crank sensor to go. He's got pictures of it.

Well EZK uses a hall effect sensor with a trigger wheel with 2 or 3 windows IIRC, Ford EDIS which I will be utilizing uses a 36 minus 1 tooth trigger wheel and VR sensor, similar but different...

On a related note...we had a warm day sooooo I decided to try fitting my trigger wheel

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/Megasquirt/reluctor5.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/Megasquirt/reluctor4.jpg

I centered it well, but I mis-measured by about 1 mm and had to enlarge my mounting holes, but it's centered, and otherwise a straightforward install. I still think I'll shim it out some... I typoed that it was larger then the pulley before, it's obviously smaller, not sure which would be better, I guess slightly larger.... I'll try to mount the sensor and go from there... I can always get one from DIYautotune with precut slots if this doesn't work well enough

dlb
3rd March 2008, 01:35 AM
As I looked closer at widde's site it seems that he used the hall effect sensor from ezk on his DI setup. For some reason I thought these two sensor's were different.

Do you think there is going to be a problem with the spacing between the sensor and the crank pulley? I'm only asking because you mentioned that the trigger wheel is smaller in diameter than the crank pulley.

Breakin5speeds
3rd March 2008, 10:59 PM
As I looked closer at widde's site it seems that he used the hall effect sensor from ezk on his DI setup. For some reason I thought these two sensor's were different.

Do you think there is going to be a problem with the spacing between the sensor and the crank pulley? I'm only asking because you mentioned that the trigger wheel is smaller in diameter than the crank pulley.

I think I can work around it fairly easily, I think just spacing it out an 1/8" to 1/4" will suffice, we'll see, to bad there's no good way to test for signal from a VR sensor without fulling hooking up the ignition

On a related note I got my wires and boots today...Hopefully I'll get them sorted out soon

dlb
4th March 2008, 01:07 AM
I think I can work around it fairly easily, I think just spacing it out an 1/8" to 1/4" will suffice

Sounds like a good solution. Good luck.

IronJoe
4th March 2008, 09:29 AM
Looks really good man. I like how you're doing ignition first and I'm doing fuel first :cheesy: So we can copy eachother ;-)

DIYAutoTune (http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/trigger-wheel-p-181.html)has a 6 3/4" trigger wheel that I think I'll use.

Breakin5speeds
4th March 2008, 10:22 AM
Looks really good man. I like how you're doing ignition first and I'm doing fuel first :cheesy: So we can copy eachother ;-)

DIYAutoTune (http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/trigger-wheel-p-181.html)has a 6 3/4" trigger wheel that I think I'll use.


Thanks Joe...I am actually going to do it all at once! The ignition components are just easiest to gather up, and copy maybe...a continuous stream of bi-lateral inspiration is the way I would put it

I have been doing some research and I have a fairly strong grasp on the LH 2.2 Harness and am going to make my own harness, the EDIS will essentially have it's own harness with just a Weather-pac connector between the Ignition and Fuel harness....should give it a nice clean OEM look and make servicing easier... This will allow me to have clean wiring...NO AC connectors, no AMM connector, NO superflous stuff, and I'll remove the Ignition wiring and use it to power the EDIS

Breakin5speeds
5th March 2008, 11:48 PM
I got my new plug wires made...short and sweet and awesome

PICS coming soon....Next...mounting the crank sensor and EDIS module and making a harness:cheesy:

Breakin5speeds
19th March 2008, 12:21 AM
Well so far no pics of the plug wires as promised....sorry...eventually....But I did get my "Knocksense" In TINY! Can't believe it. I may get a manual boost controller and yard out the APC.... We'll see.... Comes with signal cable and knock LED

Pics:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/Megasquirt/knocksense.jpghttp://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/Megasquirt/knocksense2.jpg

Saab-Daniel
19th March 2008, 04:01 AM
Why not use APC-system to decide when there's knock, and put this signal into MS? Then you don't have to tune it to fit your car, you know it's already adjusted...
Daniel.

philb
19th March 2008, 05:29 AM
Knock detection code in MS was designed *for* saab APC..

Saab-Daniel
19th March 2008, 11:25 AM
Yep, I know the danish guy that helped write the code for it... ;)
He drives a VOLVO :o
Daniel

Breakin5speeds
20th March 2008, 10:36 AM
As for not using the APC... I don't, not sure why I do alot of things.....I personally don't really like the APC in general, but I guess it's sutible to detect knock,

I was under the impression is was more complicated then just running one wire to Megasquirt....I may still utilize the APC we'll see

Saab-Daniel
20th March 2008, 03:32 PM
It's not, it takes one wire from the APC-system to MS, one resistor and one wire inside the MS-unit, and everything is running... Ask me how I know :D
Daniel

white65
28th March 2008, 02:43 PM
Daniel,

I'd like to know how you know. Kinda curious about the megasquirt install.

Saab-Daniel
28th March 2008, 03:58 PM
White65: See my project thread :D
I did almost a complete write-up (believe links in the thread took care of the rest), I know the guy who worked together with the MSnS-people developing the code, specifically for Saab APC-system, that's what the code is based on, so perfect, really...
Works like a charm in my T8, it notice a small knock once, then spark is adjusted with a set amount of degrees, knock dissapears, ignition is adjusted back, no boost-drop, no knock = bestz on the netz... :cool:
Daniel.

Green9kAERO
20th April 2008, 09:23 AM
damn jake, youve been busy...

i guess im not going to be visiting you this summer... Ft benning GA for me:)

but at some point ill drive down.

that setup seems to be getting pretty crazy, someday are you going to dyno that thing?

and speaking of daily drivers, we have a few nice T5 9ks:)
JP

Breakin5speeds
21st June 2008, 11:19 PM
So things have been crazy lately, not much done to the car performance wise, I am happy about getting through a mild southern winter...bought a welder YAY, and I am still gathering up parts for my megasquirt conversion. Recently I installed a Knock Led and a Greddy TVVC for boost control, I am holding a steady knock free 20 psi, I had to check to make sure my knock led was working because the car was running so well. Should have done that a long time ago. Next upgrade will probably be a Wideband O2. Currently I have obtained an LH 2.2 harness from a 1985 900 turbo, I am currently repairing and decyphering it, soon I will modify it for use with megasquirt....BUT I lost the pinout for LH 2.2, can anyone HELP? Also will this 85 harness should work in my 87? There are two large grey plugs on this harness I can't find on my 87:( :confused:

pics to come soon

But a teaserhttp://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/boostcontroller.jpg

Breakin5speeds
22nd June 2008, 10:11 PM
Some more pics as promised..... YAY progress...maybe, I'm not sure this 85 harness is compatible with my 87.....

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/harness2.jpg


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/harness1.jpg



http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/dualbov.jpg

BTW @ 20 psi these two vavles pop off and sound awesome!:cheesy:

Jared S
24th June 2008, 02:29 PM
So does anyone know if you can use the EZK hall effect crank sensor to do a distributorless MS ignition set-up? Right now I'm running a distributor from an '87 EZK car which has a hall sensor on it for my MS ignition control. I would really like to get away from the distributor. I've got an EZK crank sensor just sitting there on my engine, so it would be nice if I could use that sensor for some form of a distributorless ignition. I can't seem to get rid of this missfire at high rpm's and high boost (22+ psi). I think getting rid of the distributor based ignition would eliminate my missfires. The missfires change drastically depending on what distributor cap I run, so that points to the missfire coming from the distributor set-up. Can someone give me the link to Widde's site...........I would like to see his set-up.

IronJoe
24th June 2008, 03:48 PM
Yes you can. This is what Keith used IIRC for his DI setup. I went back and forth with him on this. In the end it was easier for me to do the EDIS setup but for you this would be a good option. Read his site and his posts on msextra for more info.

Breakin5speeds
24th June 2008, 04:38 PM
Well the torque monster has struck again,:evil: stripped out 3rd gear in my 4 spd. That is trans number 3 in this car, 2nd 4 spd, and 7th transmission in my history. Think I might get a tattoo of a 900 trans with 7 hash marks under it:D

Jared S
25th June 2008, 06:42 PM
What kind of power are you making that your chewing up gearboxes that bad? I'm running a 5 speed from a '91 900 sport and it has been trouble free for the 6 years my car has been truboed. I'm putting down 247whp and just shy of 300 ft-lb of torque at the wheels. Have I just lucked out with this gearbox or what? My peak torque is at around 4500 rpm! Tired of doing gearboxes yet?

So IronJoe, does MS drive the DI cassette directly then? Do the factory DI cars use a hall effect crank sensor or are they something different?

IronJoe
26th June 2008, 10:30 AM
Yes but also remember that the factory DI cassette uses ion sensing to determine which cylinder is firing, something MS can't do (yet).

Breakin5speeds
8th August 2008, 07:37 PM
I'MMMMMMMMMMMMM Back after a long time, I have finally moved into my house, and finally have a "Real" Internet connection. Keep posted for all the details of my ongoing megasquirt install

IronJoe
8th August 2008, 07:43 PM
I'MMMMMMMMMMMMM Back after a long time, I have finally moved into my house, and finally have a "Real" Internet connection. Keep posted for all the details of my ongoing megasquirt install

Welcome back Jake! Can't wait to see your installation.

85spgATL
8th August 2008, 09:54 PM
Welcome back! Just read the whole thread... while watching the rolex sports car race. Awesome stuff. The whole EDIS dealy is nice.

Tell me about the 8v AIC valve... is this any 8v? Im goin to reread your post about it.

Thnaks!

Breakin5speeds
18th August 2008, 05:19 PM
Welcome back! Just read the whole thread... while watching the rolex sports car race. Awesome stuff. The whole EDIS dealy is nice.

Tell me about the 8v AIC valve... is this any 8v? Im goin to reread your post about it.

Thnaks!


Any 8 Valve idle valve will work and it will bolt right up to the 16 valve thermostat housing, I actually went back to a stock valve for now because I was having to constantly tweak it in the fluctuating springtime weather....

Currently the Dark Star is down for the count, NO OIL PRESSURE

DAMN


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/oilpump2.jpg


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/oilpump1.jpg

85spgATL
20th August 2008, 04:37 PM
poosticks... How does that happen?
Thnaks for the 8v idle info.

Breakin5speeds
20th August 2008, 06:47 PM
Same reason everything breaks on these cars, Excess, Excessive Torque+Excessive Age+ Excessive Abuse=BANG! :roll:

85spgATL
20th August 2008, 11:23 PM
Ah yes... such is life. Did the pump seize?

Breakin5speeds
21st August 2008, 09:15 AM
no....I had a mysterious tick, sounded like tappet tick, around 3k rpm only when I slowly applied torque. Then it let go without warning

idiot_saabvant
23rd August 2008, 12:53 PM
how did it go? pic looks like all the teeth are still there. Is it the pump or the suction tube that came undone (ticking could be crank rubbing on suction tube) and the gears don't work because they can't suck? Unless the gears are stripped I don't see how the pump can fail unless sump is broken, or there is a blockage upstream of pump or gasket sucks major air, but then you would see oil on ground.

good luck Jake,

ps

sonett1
23rd August 2008, 03:19 PM
That oil pump is not the kind that likes high RPM's or sustained abuse. You need to fit the later pump and then things will be fine.

saabmatt
23rd August 2008, 07:40 PM
Make sure you get a late type pump the early ones like yours have only one locating lug which can are known to fail with the one lug sheering off, the late ones have three lugs. :cool:

Breakin5speeds
23rd August 2008, 11:35 PM
LOL I know guys it's not my first day in the Rodeo....and yes the drive tooth sheared off and yes I am fitting a NEW later style oil pump from Scantech...hopefully I caught it quick enough to have not done any more damage

Breakin5speeds
28th August 2008, 11:04 PM
The Saab Lives again....YAY runs well, I don't think I did any damage to the engine, next time I take the engine out I'll replace the lower timing gear though

85spgATL
30th August 2008, 09:11 AM
Yay!!!



........

Breakin5speeds
15th November 2008, 01:17 AM
Haven't forgotten about my Saab, No time and No Money....but I have added to my Megasquirt parts collection

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/cranktrigger.jpg

Breakin5speeds
28th November 2008, 10:10 AM
Blew up my Turbo, the impeller struck the housing under boost, and destroyed the TURBO for the the FORTH TIME. I won't be using this turbo builder again..., going back to stock for the time being...Oh Well...and on the up side I will be building an engine soon.....YAY

Breakin5speeds
26th December 2008, 12:01 AM
Pics of the Turbo Carnage

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/Turbo%20Failure/turbobroken1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/Turbo%20Failure/turbobroken4.jpg


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/Turbo%20Failure/turbobroken3.jpg

Yeah the compressor hit the housing under boost, and had been rubbing for a little while, the nut came off (as BEFORE) and blew up a bunch of fins, so much so that the there was a tear in my intake elbow :lol: where a chunk of fin exited, the previous turbo builder is an idiot, as evidenced by the random repeat damage and the melted welds around the wastegate....explains why stable boost was so hard to find....

I had most of this explained by my NEW turbo builder...who's product thus far is fantastic, have not had the turbo on long but I am very pleased :cheesy:

I went down some in turbo...T3 60 trim, clipped exhaust, 360 thrust bearing, and gapless oil seals....HUGE improvement in driveability...like having a Saab again.....turbo is soooooo well put together.....fit very easily, oil return line was a PIECE OF CAKE, never have I had that luck....very very happy

Breakin5speeds
26th December 2008, 12:10 AM
Couple more pics for the heck of it

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/turbopenholder1.jpg Mine


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/turbopenholder2.jpg The one I gave my roommate


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/turbosthegathering.jpg Gratitous Turbo Pron...I have two more stock turbos in the Basement...shame that Mistu wouldn't work with my wastegate, I'm saving it for another 900 that I am sure to put in my life soon :cheesy:


Also I got my hands on an LH 2.2 Computer from a Volvo 760 2.3 turbo.....tried swapping the Prom chip from it into a stock computer...the car ran... just not great and the check engine light came on for the first time in its life...lol the cool thing about the Volvo box is that the back is cast aluminum and not plastic...make a real nice adapter for Megasquirt

Breakin5speeds
14th January 2009, 12:18 AM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/85projectengine.jpg


I got an engine today....85 turbo (comes with lower compression pistons and exhaust cam pre installed ;) ) Good basic rebuild with a couple tricks.....more pictures to come

Breakin5speeds
11th February 2009, 07:41 PM
LOOK WHAT I FOUND TODAY IN A 79 900 Turbo out behind a local independent repair shop

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/gloveboxdoor.jpg

TURBO GLOVE BOX DOOR! RETRO! VINTAGE AND RARE! Pic Sux doesn't do it justice.

also an update on the engine:

Have it apart, just still gathering up parts waiting on then on to the machine shop

Pics:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/basement.jpg

Basement Work Shop what a Chore to get it in here, Thanks Again Ward and Mike who don't have Saabs but are enablers in my Saab Habit

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/boxoparts.jpg

My Box O Parts

Breakin5speeds
11th February 2009, 07:52 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/endplate1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/endplate2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/timingcover.jpg

CLEAN PARTS! yay.... I got all the loose grease and dirt and grit off with engine cleaner then I cleaned the engine cleaner off with dish soap in the kitchen sink Then I Put the parts in the Dishwasher...on Pots and Pans setting and they came out like this! I have light coating of WD-40 on them right now to prevent corrosion. I plan on clear coating them. No silver paint. I want the engine to look new and clean not Glossy. I think I am going to paint the block "New Ford Grey" It's darn close to original, and leaks should show up well. On a side note the original is still pliable and has the little ridges on it

TooMany2cvs
12th February 2009, 02:16 AM
I cleaned the engine cleaner off with dish soap in the kitchen sink Then I Put the parts in the Dishwasher...on Pots and Pans setting and they came out like this!

How odd. I can't see any blood spatters on them. I guess she hadn't got home by the time you took those pics?

Green9kAERO
12th February 2009, 11:58 AM
giveme a call with your list of parts.
Whats this motor going into....imlooking for a decent 4 door to put my SPG engine in and drive:)
JP

Breakin5speeds
12th February 2009, 09:46 PM
How odd. I can't see any blood spatters on them. I guess she hadn't got home by the time you took those pics?

HAHAHAHAHA My ex made me choose between the car and her, I kept the less tempermental one of the two that requires less maintenece. Nope happy bachelor, and I own my own house, my roommate is as much of a car guy as me :lol:

Breakin5speeds
18th February 2009, 12:25 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/transcoolerpump.jpg

UPS Brought some goodies by! :cheesy: I figure with the new engine and bigger clutch that I have coming a good transmission oil cooler in work is a good idea. So far I have a engine oil cooler from a 8 Valve turbo, but I may swap for something else like a 9k or a ATF cooler from later C900, I have the new Pump, and a filter mount that accepts the same filter as the engine. I just need to find a pre filter and some other bits, like temp controls and maybe a temp gauge

899000turbo
18th February 2009, 08:55 PM
Jake the snake
Ponders up another goody!

Green9kAERO
24th February 2009, 09:49 PM
hey jake

keep me posted on your trans build. i plan to do something of the sort myself.

I just took my SPG for a drive. my First drive in a True SPG, and wow, it handles like its on rails. its not nice enough to take too good of care of, so i worked something else out.
I traded the Grey turd for joshes old 86 SPG shell that needs paint, interior and drivetrain. i think its getting painted Lightning blue or MCY yellow. maybe silver. open to changing colors because the car is just about totally stripped and its solid. josh spent alot of time on this car so i feel i have to bring it back:)
JP

Green9kAERO
27th March 2009, 04:36 PM
jake, you need to update your Thread!!!!

BTW if you want ot T5 this thing, i got a friend who can build a CPS wheel/sensor ready to go for a somewhat reasonable price!
JP

Breakin5speeds
4th April 2009, 10:00 AM
jake, you need to update your Thread!!!!

BTW if you want ot T5 this thing, i got a friend who can build a CPS wheel/sensor ready to go for a somewhat reasonable price!
JP


Lol Yeah I know MikeD and I'll update it when you get me some part hahaha

Green9kAERO
5th April 2009, 03:02 PM
hes actually in maine this weekend. ill ask him about another CPS wheel

JP

Green9kAERO
21st April 2009, 09:00 AM
Lol Yeah I know MikeD and I'll update it when you get me some part hahaha


Hey, i shipped you your parts!!! progress???

come on jake update your thread.....
JP

Breakin5speeds
22nd April 2009, 06:49 PM
They haven't come YET
lol

Breakin5speeds
22nd April 2009, 07:19 PM
hey JP your parts haven't shown up yet, BUT I did get some pieces from PNW, what's the deal JP, these parts took 3 days ahahah:cheesy:

Anyways Thanks JP and IronJoe, JP is/has sent me lifters, 2.3 head, 92 9000 flywheel and a few other bits, and IRONJOE is the reigning hero with his generous donation of pistons... Finally feel like the project has an end in sight. Soon off to the machine shop

ok Pics for y'all

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/pistonrods.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/cylinder.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/crank.jpg

As typical Saab Fashion NO discernible ridge in the cylinders and I can still see original crosshatching.... I love showing my pistons and block to my VW and Honda friends they can't wrap their heads around the "Massive", lol 90mm bore and how heavy duty the block is, and all the American V8 guys I show the pistons and rods to can't believe that the crank and rod and main journals and pistons are equal to most American small blocks.....

After starting this build I am hearing ALOT less smack talk about SAABs haha

Green9kAERO
24th April 2009, 11:58 AM
heyall the American V8 guys I show the pistons and rods to can't believe that the crank and rod and main journals and pistons are equal to most American small blocks.....

After starting this build I am hearing ALOT less smack talk about SAABs haha


Yea, i have a 87 formula firebird now!!!

I can has small block V8 powah, and fuel economy... all my friends love the massive pull of the 145 hp 305 Cubic inch engine... smoke any of them there turbo saabs!



I remember my friend brian talking up his 305 monte carlo, and how it had put every saab he had ever seen in his Rear view mirror!
you just cant compete with 1955 american technology!
JP

Breakin5speeds
24th April 2009, 11:22 PM
BTW JP where's my oil cooler?

Green9kAERO
9th May 2009, 12:44 PM
BTW JP where's my oil cooler?

paypal me 10$ and ill ship it to you!:)

really poor right now!:(
JP

Breakin5speeds
16th June 2009, 12:08 AM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/fuelrail.jpg

New PART! Solid billet fuel rail from Luke over at SAABRALLY.COM....Nice piece for the most part. Fair price $115 shipped to the door.

BUT

Here's the Rundown:
Astetics= 8.5
Function=8
Cost=8.5
Customer Service=9
Fit=6, yup a six...its a really solid piece and it bolts up nice to a 2.1 intake manifold, BUT and this is a HUGE BUT, it was not designed around the 2.1 Fuel Pressure regulator. :x I asked to have it fit like a stock 2.1 rail and I was assured it would...but it didn't. I got it to fit finally with some hassle....mind you the original design is designed for use with "AN" fittings and lines. I wish the machine work was a bit cleaner. The banjo fittings took some work to get to seal. I am basically pretty happy with the unit, but one HUGE design oversight was the mounting of the stock regulator....it is completely in the way of this rail...

Either way, thanks Luke, and it's one more special piece under my hood and it's nicer then the stock one that was leaking:D

saabmatt
16th June 2009, 06:05 AM
Why not just use a 9000 one? built in 3.0 bar FPR easy to find cheep.............. too late ;oops:

http://www.terrimoore.co.uk/matt/mani2.jpg

http://www.terrimoore.co.uk/matt/mani1.jpg

Breakin5speeds
16th June 2009, 09:22 AM
Well I could have...i have a stock one laying around that is in perfect shape that I could have used. I just wanted something that would be more durable then stock, and different most other peoples:D

Albert Trout
19th June 2009, 03:51 PM
Is that a fuel rail or a shiny elephants trunk? I miss my 900 :cry:

AUSSIE900
25th June 2009, 09:42 AM
Coming into threads like this is an absolute inspitation .. This .. Iron Joes. Misu's . etc , Keep it up guys fantastic work . Credit to y'all .

Love the Fuel Rail .. Did I here someone just say the 9k fuel rail has a built in 3.o bar in FPR ? would the rail off a 2.3 9 k turbo bolt up and align to injectors on a B202 ?

Breakin5speeds
26th June 2009, 03:58 PM
Yes it will for the most part...the lines can be trickey, and you need some spacers to get the depth correct

Breakin5speeds
27th June 2009, 11:44 AM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/legtattoo2.jpg

My New Tattoo on the side of Left Calf...

Big Props to Aaron at Infinity Tattoo in Lynchburg, VA. He's does awesome work and I plan to have more done by him.:cheesy:

Pap
28th June 2009, 09:28 AM
That is pretty awesome right there! =O

Breakin5speeds
28th June 2009, 10:25 AM
yeah I really like it alot:cheesy:

Breakin5speeds
15th July 2009, 09:27 PM
Well the other day I FINALLY took my engine block to the machine shop, super excited, I still need to bring them the crank and rod/pistons, and cylinder head. That same day I went to the local u-pull-it yard and got some stuff...

First off, Trans Cooler from an 86 900 Turbo

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/transcooler.jpg

And also an NG 2.0 valve cover in BEAUTIFUL SHAPE
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/ngvalvecover2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/ngvalvecover1.jpg

CHECK OUT HOW FREAKING CLEAN IT IS. The car I got it off of was a 96 900 turbo with a rear end collision, previous owner was a SAAB fanatic, it had Carlisle, SAABs @ Carlisle, WASAAB, Saab Central, and other Saab stickers on the glass. Anyone in the Lynchburg area lose this beloved Saab? If So I owe you a beer for the vavle cover.


I also got a taillight, a BRAND new Radiator with Fans, camshaft, coolant expansion tank, power steering res, and other little bits all for about $100, not a bad haul, they also have an 87/88 9000 airflow edition, ANYONE need the body kit?

Breakin5speeds
15th July 2009, 09:29 PM
Summitracing dropped off some parts for my engine/trans cooler build

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/transcoolerparts.jpg

Fan Cooler (to control pump), temp gauge, gauge cup, and filler neck for valve cover

dlb
17th July 2009, 12:24 AM
A tranny cooler is real good idea. Where abouts are going to tap the case for the lines (rear diff cover?) and also what kind of pump are you thinking of using?

Breakin5speeds
17th July 2009, 06:16 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/transcoolerpump.jpg

UPS Brought some goodies by! :cheesy: I figure with the new engine and bigger clutch that I have coming a good transmission oil cooler in work is a good idea. So far I have a engine oil cooler from a 8 Valve turbo, but I may swap for something else like a 9k or a ATF cooler from later C900, I have the new Pump, and a filter mount that accepts the same filter as the engine. I just need to find a pre filter and some other bits, like temp controls and maybe a temp gauge



This is the pump, also putting a filter inline with it

Breakin5speeds
23rd July 2009, 12:10 AM
Got some things accomplished the last couple of days... Got the trans temp gauge installed...not the best pic but you get the idea...

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/transtempgauge.jpg

Drove around the first day (only 70 out) and the temps got to 180! :suprised; and then didn't want to come down. I was surprised especially because the gauge barely moved the first 15 minutes of driving... I guess once it absorbs the engine oil heat and the heat from the gears/bearings it has nowhere to go...thus the need for the trans cooler...

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/transcooler-1.jpg

which I now have bolt up under the car and it fits like a gem...which it should considering it's from a 900! But I did have to cut off a fair bit of the air director/skid plate. The car I got it from was an 86 with the big front air dam...I would have been better off with one from an 87 to 93 900 turbo, but this one was in nice shape and available:cheesy:

Breakin5speeds
1st October 2009, 12:23 AM
Some pics of the engine build:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/blockpainted.jpg

Block painted New Ford Gray...seems real close to original

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/cylinderorings.jpg

O-ringed the block for better clamping around compression ring

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/pistonoilers.jpg

Piston oilers from a later gen block to cool pistons strengthen and supress detonation

More pics to come

Check out my other madness on facebook....search for Griffin Auto Service

Breakin5speeds
25th November 2009, 07:37 PM
Finally!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/rebuiltengine1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/My%20Car/rebuiltengine2.jpg


Lousy Cell Phone Pics, and it's slightly comical, such a low key build you can barely tell it's a rebuilt engine, though I did reuse the intake, throttle, starter, alternator and a number of little pieces of the old engine. So other then the cleanliness and fresh paint on the block, looks like the engine has always been there.

Obviously I am still breaking it in, I have about 4 miles on it today, I will be driving it out to the folks for Turkey Day tomorrow, but today OMG, SOOOOO smooth, idles beautifully, purrs like a kitten, and even though I haven't taken it over 2,800 RPMs it has tons of power, the turbo starts to spool at about 2k, I haven't dared hammered on it yet. I will give it at least 1000 miles before I really hammer on it.

Squaab99t
25th November 2009, 11:11 PM
Finally!



Lousy Cell Phone Pics, and it's slightly comical, such a low key build you can barely tell it's a rebuilt engine, though I did reuse the intake, throttle, starter, alternator and a number of little pieces of the old engine. So other then the cleanliness and fresh paint on the block, looks like the engine has always been there.

Obviously I am still breaking it in, I have about 4 miles on it today, I will be driving it out to the folks for Turkey Day tomorrow, but today OMG, SOOOOO smooth, idles beautifully, purrs like a kitten, and even though I haven't taken it over 2,800 RPMs it has tons of power, the turbo starts to spool at about 2k, I haven't dared hammered on it yet. I will give it at least 1000 miles before I really hammer on it.

Excellent. When I rebuilt mine my mechanic suggested to unplug to boost control solenoid, so all you could get was base boost and you can run it up and down the rev range. How did the CPS adapter work out with the other pulley, since the EZK pulley is not compatible?

borderwave2
25th November 2009, 11:59 PM
Excellent work dude, you need to make your way down to Richmond sometime to meet up with the Williamsburg saab crew. We'll meet halfway. :lol:

Cruzer51
26th November 2009, 05:54 AM
Nice build. I like the grill you had I just think you took a littl bit much off of it here is the one I am making for my 89 SPG.

Breakin5speeds
26th November 2009, 10:39 AM
Excellent. When I rebuilt mine my mechanic suggested to unplug to boost control solenoid, so all you could get was base boost and you can run it up and down the rev range. How did the CPS adapter work out with the other pulley, since the EZK pulley is not compatible?


Well as it is I have a manual boost controller, so I just keep my foot out of it, which is hard, because it's smooth and obviously has power, the turbo starts to wake up at about 1800 rpms so I have to be careful. I'm happy...

Dennis the CPS adaptor worked out fine with the turbo crank pulley I had on my other engine, looks to be about 18 or 19 teeth, hopefully that's close enough, same distance the other crank pulley I had was. I'm going to break in the engine then I'm going to try to loosely hookup T5 leaving the LH 2.2 in place so if needed I can easily switch back...at least till I'm confident in the T5 install, then I'll remove it and clean up the install...looking forward to it.

Breakin5speeds
26th November 2009, 09:18 PM
Excellent work dude, you need to make your way down to Richmond sometime to meet up with the Williamsburg saab crew. We'll meet halfway. :lol:


SWEET, I'd Love too, I've been trying to make a SAAB gang in Lynchburg, maybe I can gather 3 or 4 others and convoy down

SOAB
16th December 2009, 12:01 AM
SWEET, I'd Love too, I've been trying to make a SAAB gang in Lynchburg, maybe I can gather 3 or 4 others and convoy down

Hell yeah! If you get a chance fellow Saabers are always welcome!

dlb
23rd December 2009, 12:43 AM
Great to hear you got it up and running. I see you mentioned that your using a manual boost controller. Any plans to put the APC back on? I'm only asking because with manual boost controllers; the boost can build pretty quick; and thus causing a greater shock to the tranny. I'm not trying to hassle you, I'm just concerned about your tranny.:)

Breakin5speeds
25th December 2009, 06:42 PM
lol you concerned about MY transmission...lol thanks though...do you know how many transmissions I have blownup? Anyways, I have a larger turbo, and a type 7 primaries in a 4 speed...I have a very smooth gradual ramp up

98se420
26th December 2009, 10:24 AM
Love the tattoo, im getting the same on my chest lolhttp://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/SwedenLo/legtattoo2.jpg

My New Tattoo on the side of Left Calf...

Big Props to Aaron at Infinity Tattoo in Lynchburg, VA. He's does awesome work and I plan to have more done by him.:cheesy:

Breakin5speeds
26th December 2009, 10:58 PM
thanks! :cheesy: I like it alot! hard to argue my loyalty