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: 2008 9-3 Convertible spy shots


SaabKen
21st February 2007, 12:08 PM
I'll only include the link since the pics are copyrighted.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/21/spied-2008-saab-9-3-convertible-facelift/#more-4818

Looks to me the same treatments seen on the sedan previously seen on TrollhattanSaab and other sources.

LS2 MN6
21st February 2007, 01:59 PM
But that vert has the old doors, I don't like the new hood.

SaabKen
21st February 2007, 02:21 PM
Is it me or is the spyshot mule's tailights' reverse lights (white) larger than current ?

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/08/saab93conv06_06.jpg

boon94
21st February 2007, 02:24 PM
But that vert has the old doors,

remember, its just a face lift, not a redesign


I LOVE the new hood, very agressive. Its looks were already above the 3-series convertible.

It looks so muscular, This is exactly what americans want. This is going to fly out of the show rooms! no pun intended

yea i think the back lights look bigger too, Actually i think it looks like the whole back side has been reshaped a couple inches taller taller

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m310/boon4376/20089-3vert.jpg

SaabKen
21st February 2007, 02:33 PM
Looking at it again (comparing to the Aero vert above), maybe it's the absence of the rear deck spoiler that's affecting the perception of overall height of the rear. The mule's rear bumper lacks the rubber moulding strip, and the red reflectors area appear as if there's a cover across the width that starts from the bottom of the bumper assembly.

boon94
21st February 2007, 02:46 PM
It looks like theres a little bit of snow on them, covering some of the red on the top side

aero1116
21st February 2007, 03:50 PM
Looks too front heavy.

gjdavies
21st February 2007, 05:06 PM
Looks too front heavy.

Yep, you can probably blame that on the improvements required for pedestrian safety.

They have basically increased the deformity distance under the hood. i.e. the amount the hood will bend before you hit something more substantial, like the cylinder head.

I personally think the whole bulk of the front end is a step backwards, and it certainly isn't as sleek as the outgoing model.

I hope that it doesn't look worse when the chrome highlights are revealed......

Like the lower half of the bumper though.

redrum
21st February 2007, 08:41 PM
hmm. I really like the headlights, grille, and bumper, but the hood is so raised and flat that the overall dimensions look almost truckish.

Aeronaut
21st February 2007, 09:52 PM
The proportions and hood bump remind me of the old mustang.http://www.classiccarbug.com/Uploads/Members/Leon-Luck_2004-Mustang.jpg
http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/wallpaper/99-04/MC-4.jpg

Pokerguy
22nd February 2007, 12:26 AM
Is it me or is the spyshot mule's tailights' reverse lights (white) larger than current ?

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/08/saab93conv06_06.jpg

Damn those rims look awesome. I gotta gets me some . . .

boon94
22nd February 2007, 12:47 AM
i cant believe my ears.... you seriously think the current generation looks better?


http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/08/saab93conv06.jpg VS http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m310/boon4376/20089-3vert.jpg

gjdavies
22nd February 2007, 01:21 AM
Yep!

Once they lift of the cammo and reveal properly it may grow on me, but at the moment I am far from convinced.

SaabKen
22nd February 2007, 02:26 AM
Me too, the current face looks better ! At least when compared to what we've seen so far of the new face.

SAAB_ON
22nd February 2007, 02:51 AM
The new front looks ridiculous!!!

Could they add any more bulk between the front wheel and the front bumper?? the less there is, the more aggressive it looks.

img_HeronWhite.jpg (attachment.php?attachmentid=6903&stc=1)

Funny how GM here in Australia know what aggressive means. The next thing those bozos in the USa will do is put a crease line down the middle of the bonnet (hood).

And the top of the hood looks flat! maybe we can use it as a bed!!

I can only say that if they go this way, Saab ain't gonna be my next car!

belfastcarlsson
22nd February 2007, 04:03 AM
Have to agree with comments above - this is now one ugly motor - the front is all edge and angle whilst th remainder is still curvaceous and the two parts don't melt togehter!!

I know the current 9-3 is slightly bland, but it is well balanced and actually quite aggressive in the right rims/colour combos.

This is an abortion of job - the front end deisgners were obviously working in ignornace of the fact that the rest of the car was remaining unchanged!:nono;

3rd stone from the sun
22nd February 2007, 05:53 AM
Will have to agree too.
Although the current model seems a bit conventional compared to the facelift, it's more elegant and exquisite in style.

semyhr
22nd February 2007, 07:13 AM
At least this one has got the c900 bonnet! :) nice :)

boon94
22nd February 2007, 09:35 AM
well i think you're all mentally ill

this is by far the coolest thing saab has ever designed as a production car

SaabKen
22nd February 2007, 01:51 PM
well i think you're all mentally ill

this is by far the coolest thing saab has ever designed as a production car

Waterfight !!! :cheesy:

http://www.allensguide.com/img/ddhoo/waterfight.jpg

Wulf
22nd February 2007, 02:03 PM
Sorry to say but I am not a fan of the new design either. It looks like they put a big hook in the center of the front bumper and started pulling.

SaabKen
22nd February 2007, 02:11 PM
It looks like they put a big hook in the center of the front bumper and started pulling.

LOL :lol:

Maybe Saab designers were staring at this pic during their moment of inspiration:
http://www.canit.se/%7Egriffon/aviation/img/saab/gripen/gall97/gripen-roadb1.jpg

And maybe there's more under the new nose/hood/bonnet than we know :cheesy:
http://www.canit.se/%7Egriffon/aviation/img/saab/gripen/gall97/gripen-ps05.jpg

CleveSaab
22nd February 2007, 02:14 PM
I like it a lot. I think it looks agressive and different and damn sexy.

Go Saab Go...

dtsirlis
22nd February 2007, 05:33 PM
At least this one has got the c900 bonnet! :) nice :)

You c900 owners so want to see your cars in the new models... face it, even as much as I would love to see it. It aint gonna happen! :D And were in gods name do you see a c900 bonnet??? ;)

I say thumbs up if they beef up the back a bit.

dtsirlis
22nd February 2007, 05:41 PM
I also have a question to anybody who can answer this. If Saab is fully owned by GM now why is the prototype being tested in another country (see plates, I am not sure if they are Swedish).

I also hope that 300bhp "black turbo" model they are thinking about is not a convertible. We have enough torque steer with 210bhp.

1985 Gripen
22nd February 2007, 05:50 PM
I also have a question to anybody who can answer this. If Saab is fully owned by GM now why is the prototype being tested in another country (see plates, I am not sure if they are Swedish).

You're joking, right? I can't tell because I don't see a "smilie", so sorry if I'm not getting that you're being facetious.

I'm pretty sure you were joking, but in case you weren't: Though SAAB is now wholly owned by GM it is still a Swedish company. The SAAB factory and most SAAB models are still manufactured in Trollhattan, Sweden. Therefore, testing of new models will happen in Sweden. It's not like they're going to ship prototypes to Detroit for testing in Michigan...

This brings up a question though: after 2010 (or whenever) when they start making the 9-3 and 9-5 in Germany, will testing be done in Germany (autobahn, Nurburgring) or will the cars be shipped to Sweden? I think a lot of German auto makers do their cold weather testing in the north of Sweden.

dtsirlis
22nd February 2007, 06:01 PM
You're joking, right? I can't tell because I don't see a "smilie", so sorry if I'm not getting that you're being facetious.

I'm pretty sure you were joking, but in case you weren't: Though SAAB is now wholly owned by GM it is still a Swedish company. The SAAB factory and most SAAB models are still manufactured in Trollhattan, Sweden. Therefore, testing of new models will happen in Sweden. It's not like they're going to ship prototypes to Detroit for testing in Michigan...

This brings up a question though: after 2010 (or whenever) when they start making the 9-3 and 9-5 in Germany, will testing be done in Germany (autobahn, Nurburgring) or will the cars be shipped to Sweden? I think a lot of German auto makers do their cold weather testing in the north of Sweden.

No sorry I was not joking. That is something I did not know. I guess I should not make assumptions...

Wulf
22nd February 2007, 06:12 PM
Though SAAB is now wholly owned by GM it is still a Swedish company. The SAAB factory and most SAAB models are still manufactured in Trollhattan, Sweden. Therefore, testing of new models will happen in Sweden. It's not like they're going to ship prototypes to Detroit for testing in Michigan...
All true for the 9-3 and 9-5 but you're forgetting about the 9-7X (USA) and the upcoming 9-4X (Mexico). Saab will be more global than Swedish soon.

After the producion goes to Germany, there is not much left of the Swedish part.. :cry:

1985 Gripen
22nd February 2007, 06:24 PM
All true for the 9-3 and 9-5 but you're forgetting about the 9-7X (USA) and the upcoming 9-4X (Mexico).

No I'm not:
most SAAB models are still manufactured in Trollhattan, Sweden. (emphasis added)

The word "most" was put in there as an exception for the 9-7X (and the 9-3 'vert manufactured in Graz, Austria) and the word "are" is implied I'm not counting the not-yet-released 9-4X. :cool:

After the producion goes to Germany, there is not much left of the Swedish part.. :cry:

Well, they'll still make the Cadillac BLS in Trollhattan and there's rumors that the 9-1 (if produced) will be made there too. The weird thing is that currently the plant is underutilized and they're moving manufacturing out of there!:roll:

Also, there's the SAAB Brand Center or whatever that place with a job I can't figure out is they're alleging will keep SAAB Swedish...:roll::roll:

Aaron Gilbert
22nd February 2007, 06:35 PM
Me too, the current face looks better ! At least when compared to what we've seen so far of the new face.

I agree too. Based on the silver and black pictures above, the silver one looks MUCH better to me. And it's not just the color. The grill and headlight shape look much better on the current style. And where did the moldings integrated into the front and rear bumpers go? In my opinion, side moldings look dumb on vehicles that don't also have moldings in the bumpers. If I were to vote based on looks alone, I would take that Mustang over either Saab any day. :)

SaabBen9-5
22nd February 2007, 06:45 PM
well i think you're all mentally ill

this is by far the coolest thing saab has ever designed as a production car

This thread is so funny, I stopped lurking for once and decided to join in...

I agree with boon94; the new look is very nice--better than the current 9-3's. It reminds me of the last 9-5 Aero's bumper (the best-looking one to date, IMO). Granted, the front 3/4th view does exaggerate the front 3/4th part of the car, making the bumper stand out. Just look at the viggen in the SC logo. Such a vantage point will do that.

Saab isn't standing still anymore=very good.

boon94
22nd February 2007, 06:49 PM
No sorry I was not joking. That is something I did not know. I guess I should not make assumptions...


a lof of manufacturers choose to test cars in scandinavia because of the harsh cold climates, and miles of ice. I believe Mercedes-Benz and Porsche test there too. MB tests all over the world though, like in the african desert to test all extreme climates.

SaabKen
22nd February 2007, 07:25 PM
a lof of manufacturers choose to test cars in scandinavia because of the harsh cold climates, and miles of ice. I believe Mercedes-Benz and Porsche test there too.

Besides, if they find themselves accidentally conduct a live "Moose Test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose_test)" and stay in one piece afterwards, it's good bragging rights for the company :)

Here's the REAL test as conducted by Saab (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose_test):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e9/Saabmoosetest.jpg/300px-Saabmoosetest.jpg

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Saabmoosetest.jpg) SAAB test


In the case of Saab (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_Automobile) cars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile), the ' test' includes crash testing with a 'model' [/url], which is made with similar weight, centre of gravity and dimensions to a live , so that it is a fair simulation. This version of the test came about after a Saab executive was killed in a collision with an . As a result, Saab cars have a reinforced windscreen ([url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windshield"]windshield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose)) surround, to prevent an 's entry to the passenger compartment during a collision.

ACBarnett
22nd February 2007, 08:54 PM
the old 9-3 vert was beautifully minimalist and restrained looking, everything the saab brand stood for. The new front end is garish and looks like something you'd see on a bangle BMW, and the fact that it doesen't at all go with the rest of the car makes it even worse. People say that it looks like the 04-05 9-5 aero front end, but if you look at that car is was much cleaner and more restrained looking while still conveying a very aggressive message. Comparing this new front end to the old one is like comparing the E60 M5 to the classic E39 M5.

here's a pic of the 9-5 aero just so you can see how different the two are
http://images.automotive.com/cob/factory_automotive/images/features/auto_shows/2005_LAAS/2005_Saab_9-5_Aero_front.jpg

barrylieberman
22nd February 2007, 10:39 PM
I don't see anything that is so exciting about the aesthetics of the refreshed 9-3. It's the performance enhancements that I'm interested in!

However, with all the masking, I'd have to vote for the current generation.

We'll see when it comes out!

woywitka
23rd February 2007, 12:54 AM
a rather ugly automotive design. yuck!

I love the prvious 04-07 look MUCH BETTER!- the 07 9-3 is just a beatiful car. This new 08' has a hiddeously stupid looking front end, like a truck or something.

Mabe sales will drop and kill the company some more. The ship is sinking ahhhhhhhhhhh.

(edit) first ever "ugly" saab design in my books!

1985 Gripen
23rd February 2007, 02:11 AM
Someone brought up a good point in the comments over at TrollhattanSAAB (http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/02/my08_convertibl.html): maybe the new nose design is due to new European regulations regarding pedestrian safety.

Rushtrack
23rd February 2007, 02:16 AM
BRRRRUUUUTTTAAAALLLLLLL




some one shoot it and get it over with...or take the badge off of it.

boon94
23rd February 2007, 08:59 AM
This thread has made me furious with almost everyone.

Anytime anything new comes out all everyone does it sh!t on it.
The new 9-3 interior everyone hated "because its too GM" whatever the hell that means; It doesnt even look like any GM car out there AT ALL. The 9-7x, everyone trashes on when its basically brought saab out of the gutter and its the nicest SUV GM has to offer, the refreshed 9-5 everyone trashes on because "its not saab enough" as if that even makes sense..., the 9-2x has been completely disgraced by SC members even though its a cool and very practical vehicle with saab upgrades and has absolutely nothing wrong with it, except for the fact that its not a completely unshared saab platform which everyone seems to want, which will NEVER HAPPEN....

I dont understand... :roll:

gjdavies
23rd February 2007, 12:13 PM
Someone brought up a good point in the comments over at TrollhattanSAAB (http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/02/my08_convertibl.html): maybe the new nose design is due to new European regulations regarding pedestrian safety.

And i mentioned them on page 1 of this thread!! ;)

More than likely that is why they had to lose the sleek front end and go with a more bulky solution.

The reality is, once you have to include a lot more deformable space, the only options you have may be to emulate something a little older in order to retain the heritage. It would look like a ballon if they increased the pedestrian impact saftey andd retained the old shape, so they went with something akin to the old 9-5 before the Edna's got put on. That way they ccan 'emphasise' the Aero X inspired nose.......... :roll:

By the way, I didn't say I didn't like it, I said I'm not liking the shots that have emerged so far...................time will tell.

gjdavies
23rd February 2007, 12:20 PM
This thread has made me furious with almost everyone.

Anytime anything new comes out all everyone does it sh!t on it.
The new 9-3 interior everyone hated "because its too GM" whatever the hell that means; It doesnt even look like any GM car out there AT ALL. The 9-7x, everyone trashes on when its basically brought saab out of the gutter and its the nicest SUV GM has to offer, the refreshed 9-5 everyone trashes on because "its not saab enough" as if that even makes sense..., the 9-2x has been completely disgraced by SC members even though its a cool and very practical vehicle with saab upgrades and has absolutely nothing wrong with it, except for the fact that its not a completely unshared saab platform which everyone seems to want, which will NEVER HAPPEN....

I dont understand... :roll:

I think it's a case of different strokes for different folks.

Also the American/European aesthetic is very different, hence not many American motors are sold in Europe. That and the fact that gas consumption is only just starting to be a problem in NA markets. Us Europeans have been paying through the orifice for fuel for a while!

I think the new design is in some ways very Saab. It polarises opinions about as much as the NG900/Old 9-3 did! Certainly far more than the more mainstream 9-3SS.

However I for one would never have bought a Saab had the 9-3SS not been released and if i'm honest, if the old 9-3 had been replaced with the one we are beginning to see spyshots of, I doubt i ever would have had over 200K miles of enjoyment from what i consider to be an excellent car.

Don't be mad at me!! :D

My final 2c in this post............. the 9-3 could have made it another couple of years without an external facelift of this proportion (More engines/XWD would be needed though). They should have used the money to bring forward the next gen vehicles...........

gjdavies
23rd February 2007, 12:32 PM
And another thing.........i'm on a roll!!!

It could be argued that the 9-7x saved GM's truck lines, rather than the product saving Saab. It gave GM an extra route to market for vehicles that were losing sales.

Dragged Saab from the gutter? In the US market perhaps, but I think "Saved GM's SUV market share" is more appropriate.

I actually think they should have brought the 9-2X to Europe......... :D

Wulf
23rd February 2007, 01:07 PM
This thread has made me furious with almost everyone.

Anytime anything new comes out all everyone does it sh!t on it.
The new 9-3 interior everyone hated "because its too GM" whatever the hell that means; It doesnt even look like any GM car out there AT ALL. The 9-7x, everyone trashes on when its basically brought saab out of the gutter and its the nicest SUV GM has to offer, the refreshed 9-5 everyone trashes on because "its not saab enough" as if that even makes sense..., the 9-2x has been completely disgraced by SC members even though its a cool and very practical vehicle with saab upgrades and has absolutely nothing wrong with it, except for the fact that its not a completely unshared saab platform which everyone seems to want, which will NEVER HAPPEN....

I dont understand... :roll:

I think many here have to get used to a new front-end on an existing car and the production version could look much better. It also sometimes is difficult to judge a new design by just a few pictures without having it seen in real life. But it seems Saab is putting band-aids on its current vehicles without any real direction and similarity in designs between all their models. As gjdavies suggested, I think they should have waited and put their time and effort in releasing an all-new 9-3 sooner.

But don't read too much into these threads. We're all just giving our opinion and nothing more.

1985 Gripen
23rd February 2007, 01:07 PM
And i mentioned them on page 1 of this thread!! ;)

Sorry I missed it and didn't give you "credit". It's a very good point though I hadn't considered.

But there's got to be a way to make the front-end both pedestrian safety-friendly as well as attractive.

IMHO, these latest pics look pretty ugly. The first spy shots to come out a few weeks ago were pretty universally liked, then they come out with this? I think they're messing with us.

SAAB has had a history of being pretty discreet with future designs (http://www.saabmuseum.com/toad/index.html) and I find it hard to believe that such clear spy shots are coming out. Especially the ones of a close-up of the underside of the car? Come on.:roll:

escalator guru
23rd February 2007, 01:46 PM
I'm not a fan of the new design-- but that's OK, because I don't plan on buying one anyway. Then again I wasn't a fan of the current design until it had been out for awhile. I absolutely HATED the OG 9-3 until I bought one.

That said, I hope it goes over well with the general public. We as enthusiasts of the brand tend to split off into different factions of fandom-- the c900 folks want something completely different than the folks who drive the current 9-3. There's no way they can please us all and why should they? We already own their product. Time to break out of the niche and appeal to a wider market.

sethsev7n
23rd February 2007, 03:28 PM
As I recall I think we all united in creating a massive pool of drool over the Aero-X concept. When Saab is left to design a car without GM telling them what they have to do, you get this:

http://aycu18.webshots.com/image/10057/2004107987147168105_rs.jpg

We all know what Saab is capable of. Our lamenting is a product of seeing what Saab can do, and then what GM allows them to do. Especially when money to develop cars Saab really needs, is being dumped into pits like the Cadillac Europe tragedy.

On the other hand, since Anthony Lo and his team designed the Aero-X, they should be able to produce a clean, aggressive new facelift for the 9-3.. the current 9-3, while quiet, is clean and aesthetically fluid. The spy shots lack fluidity in their proportions or design, so I personally don't believe these are the real things, especially being wide out in the open like that. I'm reserving judgement until we see the real thing.

woywitka
23rd February 2007, 03:51 PM
This thread has made me furious with almost everyone.

Anytime anything new comes out all everyone does it sh!t on it.
The new 9-3 interior everyone hated "because its too GM" whatever the hell that means; It doesnt even look like any GM car out there AT ALL. The 9-7x, everyone trashes on when its basically brought saab out of the gutter and its the nicest SUV GM has to offer, the refreshed 9-5 everyone trashes on because "its not saab enough" as if that even makes sense..., the 9-2x has been completely disgraced by SC members even though its a cool and very practical vehicle with saab upgrades and has absolutely nothing wrong with it, except for the fact that its not a completely unshared saab platform which everyone seems to want, which will NEVER HAPPEN....

I dont understand... :roll:

what is not to understand? you outlined exactly why many of us don't liek the car....

I loves the 9-3SS design when it came out, when the 04' convertible came out I nearly fainted. This 08' looks like hell tho!
-seriously tho dude, GM captures the hearts of people wanting to save money, this is rubbing off on thier higher end vehicles. Sit in a cadillac and compare the quality to a similar priced BMW....the caddy feels like an econo car.

joemama
23rd February 2007, 04:51 PM
This thread has made me furious with almost everyone.

Anytime anything new comes out all everyone does it sh!t on it.
The new 9-3 interior everyone hated "because its too GM" whatever the hell that means; It doesnt even look like any GM car out there AT ALL. The 9-7x, everyone trashes on when its basically brought saab out of the gutter and its the nicest SUV GM has to offer, the refreshed 9-5 everyone trashes on because "its not saab enough" as if that even makes sense..., the 9-2x has been completely disgraced by SC members even though its a cool and very practical vehicle with saab upgrades and has absolutely nothing wrong with it, except for the fact that its not a completely unshared saab platform which everyone seems to want, which will NEVER HAPPEN....:

While I agree with some of your points, there are a lot of people who are afraid of change. Few comments:

1.) Not everyone disliked the new interior. Some of us thought it was a big improvement.
2.) The 9-7 did NOT bring Saab out of the gutter. Have you seen the sales numbers? Some dealers only have them on the lot because Saab forced them to.
3.) The 9-2x was a joke - And I can tell you this because I own a Subaru. It NEVER looked or handled like a Saab.

900t
23rd February 2007, 07:50 PM
what is not to understand? you outlined exactly why many of us don't liek the car....

I loves the 9-3SS design when it came out, when the 04' convertible came out I nearly fainted. This 08' looks like hell tho!
-seriously tho dude, GM captures the hearts of people wanting to save money, this is rubbing off on thier higher end vehicles. Sit in a cadillac and compare the quality to a similar priced BMW....the caddy feels like an econo car.

Give me a break with stupid BMW bull**** have you even seen a late model BMW and a comparable Caddy ? :lol:

SaabKen
23rd February 2007, 11:18 PM
. Sit in a cadillac and compare the quality to a similar priced BMW....the caddy feels like an econo car.

Except the BMW has iDrive, the biggest oxymoron in autodom engineering these days .....

dtsirlis
24th February 2007, 12:21 AM
While I agree with some of your points, there are a lot of people who are afraid of change. Few comments:

1.) Not everyone disliked the new interior. Some of us thought it was a big improvement.
2.) The 9-7 did NOT bring Saab out of the gutter. Have you seen the sales numbers? Some dealers only have them on the lot because Saab forced them to.
3.) The 9-2x was a joke - And I can tell you this because I own a Subaru. It NEVER looked or handled like a Saab.

I personally, over the two years I have been here have seen the 9-7 on the road in the flesh 5 times. OVER TWO YEARS. And I have driven 50k miles.

Same with the 9-2x. I can count on my fingers how many times I have seen that. So the argument that it took SAAB out of the gutter is not valid. Just look at their sales if you do not believe my testimony. The 9-2 and 9-7 was rubbish. I am not going to say what they should of done with the money but for me it was a waste. Especially when I saw the DUB 9-7 model in an ad one day. I am sure Swedish engineers where rolling in their graves.

woywitka
24th February 2007, 04:57 AM
Give me a break with stupid BMW bull**** have you even seen a late model BMW and a comparable Caddy ? :lol:

yes.

point stands.

I find the interior of the Mazda 3 fully loaded to feel nicer than Saabs current interior (autoshow tour).-there is just something abot that cheap plastic.....arg!

ANTMAR
24th February 2007, 11:33 AM
From the photo of the black car - I think the current version looks better - but I don't think the new one is terrible either - tough do do a bunch of things to the front end and nothing to the back or sides and have it look right - we should reserve final judgement for the final product - seems silly to be doing a redesign when in a year or two it is a entire new model

omegajb
24th February 2007, 11:45 AM
I've been down on the newer Saab designs, and hate the new 9-5's looks but I love the new nose on this car.

It's hard to compare the complete car untill you see the prodution modle with nice rims and all of the body molding but this has me excited to see the sedan! :D

cinemarr
27th February 2007, 08:32 AM
At least this one has got the c900 bonnet! :) nice :)

Yes it does and one thing I have noticed is the face lift makes the 93 actually look like a SAAB! and not a dull generic looking GM styled car.

cinemarr
27th February 2007, 08:34 AM
Have to agree with comments above - this is now one ugly motor - the front is all edge and angle whilst th remainder is still curvaceous and the two parts don't melt togehter!!

I know the current 9-3 is slightly bland, but it is well balanced and actually quite aggressive in the right rims/colour combos.

This is an abortion of job - the front end deisgners were obviously working in ignornace of the fact that the rest of the car was remaining unchanged!:nono;

At least they have decide to add some straight edges and angles rather than the current dildo shaped cars they are making.

sethsev7n
27th February 2007, 11:55 AM
...dildo shaped cars...

:lol:

.........

boon94
27th February 2007, 02:40 PM
dildo shaped cars

Like this one? (http://thatvideosite.com/view/177.html)

SaabKen
27th February 2007, 06:57 PM
dildo shaped cars

Like this one? (http://thatvideosite.com/view/177.html)

I always thought the Oscar Mayer truck is a bit, well, suggestive .....

escalator guru
27th February 2007, 07:43 PM
I always thought the Oscar Mayer truck is a bit, well, suggestive .....

Ditto. It reminds me of food!

sethsev7n
27th February 2007, 08:55 PM
hehe, this reminds me of cookie monster in unnecesary censorship from Jimmy Kimmel Live

http://gorillamask.net/uccookie.shtml

http://www.gkko.com/videos/3469/unnecessary-censorship-22


:lol:

DavidMorgan
14th March 2007, 01:22 PM
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_431/car_photo_215662_7.jpg (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3E:openWindow()

Saab 9-3

A more aggressive front end is in the pipeline for future Saabs

Text: Automedia / Photos: Automedia
14th March 2007

Read the article and more photos here:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/spyshots/207440/saab_93.html

Vector-SS
14th March 2007, 04:07 PM
Wow, i hate to say it, and i wont hold a final judgement until i see the final version of the car, but it does look out of proportion :confused: And why is the hood and the actual height of the car so damn high?

DavidMorgan
14th March 2007, 04:39 PM
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_431/car_photo_215660_5.jpg (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3E:self.close();)
Yes, the ground clearance is high and mabe a midget at the wheel... But it would seem pretty close to a finished car. Lost some SAAB, looks like any MB sports, except for front grill.

93Linear
14th March 2007, 04:41 PM
...
And why is ... the actual height of the car so damn high?

Car so new that springs haven't properly settled?

AWD system being tested?

SaabKen
14th March 2007, 04:47 PM
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_431/car_photo_215660_5.jpg (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3E:self.close%28%29;)
Yes, the ground clearance is high and mabe a midget at the wheel... But it would seem pretty close to a finished car. Lost some SAAB, looks like any MB sports, except for front grill.

Funny, the side profile reminds me of that wildly successful Ford/Mercury Capri :lol::o:cry:
http://www.digi-go.biz/gfb1aaa/DSC_0004.jpg
http://images.consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/autoreview/400x266/1990-94-Mercury-Capri-91161121990308.JPG

20Ted
14th March 2007, 05:34 PM
Makes me even MORE happy that I've got the last of the OG9-3 verts!! Looks like I'll be holding on to it for some time to come, since SAAB keeps distancing itself farther away from me with their new look...

Rob in Atlanta
15th March 2007, 10:47 AM
I love the new convertible. SAAB keeps improving it with every generation. Looks like it is time to buy another SAAB.

DavidMorgan
15th March 2007, 01:37 PM
Am thinking the same thing, will wait for bio 9-3. With retirement in a couple of years it might be my last one.:(

turbo5door
15th March 2007, 08:56 PM
All I can say is that GM has ruined Saab for good :cry:


And....

The 9-3 will never be a 9-3 again until they bring the hatch back!!!!!

93Linear
15th March 2007, 09:51 PM
Look out everyone ... it's SobCentral time again

saabassguy
15th March 2007, 10:56 PM
well i think you're all mentally ill

this is by far the coolest thing saab has ever designed as a production car

yeah, where's the optimism? i think it's a great reskin. love the black strip in the headlights and the pulled grill and new air dam.

SCVA
15th March 2007, 10:58 PM
I'm not as quick to judge as some. I love my C900 because it has elegance with a great deal of utility. My 9-3SS has a great deal of elegance with a little less utility. I'd love to get some of that utility back.

I have no huge issue with the new look. I greatly prefer the front end. Looks like I'd have far less fear of ripping off the front skirt on driveway gutters. Now if we could just get the C900 metal skid plate back. I also don't see how ground clearance is a bad thing either if the suspension is solid: better in deep snow, better on dirt/sand/gravel roads.

20Ted
15th March 2007, 11:00 PM
yeah, where's the optimism? i think it's a great reskin. love the black strip in the headlights and the pulled grill and new air dam.

I love the new look on the sedan and the SportCombi - just not a fan of it on the vert. Maybe once I see one with decent looking (and sized!) rims and tires and with the top down it will look better...

...it's just that the front end is so dramatic and edgy, then the rest of the car is so blah and boring.

vectorX
16th March 2007, 11:48 AM
I agree, I think though with the right rims and perhaps changing the back bumper and even the groud effects a little it would look great. As is though it looks odd, but that isn't the finished product.

SaabKen
16th March 2007, 01:15 PM
Here you go :lol::
http://100avto.ru/af/400/7fd539lc3fg.jpg


I'd love to get some of that utility back.

Camshaft
16th March 2007, 02:31 PM
I rather like it, although I really like the current front end styling as well. Still, I wish they made the rest of the car look more like the Aero-X. This new front fascia makes the rest of the car look decidedly "less lean." The current cars, however, are very well-proportioned. Either way, I still look forward to buying my first Saab in a few years. No matter what the outside looks like, I'm sure inside it will still be the same enginering marvel I fell in love with. :)

1985 Gripen
16th March 2007, 04:53 PM
I had the privilege of having a long conversation with Jan-Willem Vester of SAAB USA Communications. A detailed story on this conversation should be posted sometime this weekend by Swade at his 'blog TrollhattanSAAB (http://trollhattansaab.net).

Mr. Vester and I discussed a lot of different subjects, and one of them was my concern about the aesthetics of the spyshots of the MY2008 9-3 MCE ("refresh") we've been seeing.

I expressed to him that in my opinion and that of many others it is not aesethetically-pleasing.

He told me that he has seen the car for himself and the spyshots don't do the car justice. There are many factors at work including color. He tells me the new look is definitely "Aero-X" and that we need to be more patient.

He even alluded to the fact that these cars we're seeing pictures of are likely undergoing mechanical testing and aren't planned to be auto show cars. I asked him if perhaps these cars have front ends on them that might not even be intended for production but were thrown-on there just because it's what they had lying around (prototypes) for the testing of other aspects of the car. He told me this is possible.

So, his main point was: wait and see. We get all caught up on overanalyzing sometimes because we're so excited, but don't make a decision whether or not to buy a MY2008 9-3 simply judging by the spyshots. That would be silly.

SaabKen
16th March 2007, 05:51 PM
Thanks for that tidbit, Gripen.

At least he didn't say anything like: "Well I can tell you, but then I'll have to kill you" :cheesy:

1985 Gripen
16th March 2007, 06:10 PM
At least he didn't say anything like: "Well I can tell you, but then I'll have to kill you" :cheesy:

If he had I would have been forced to reach through the phone and smack him for using that cliche'.:cheesy:

Swade should have more details on this subject as well as other ones when he gets the story up this weekend sometime. There's even more info I got on the MY2008 "refresh" that I didn't state in my post above (teaser!).:cool:

sethsev7n
17th March 2007, 06:38 AM
Hah, how come you get to talk to Vester? unfair! :p

Can't wait to see the full posting by swade, I think we all might be in for a nice suprise when we really see the new 9-3.. too impatient!

93Linear
17th March 2007, 11:04 AM
...

So, his main point was: wait and see. We get all caught up on overanalyzing sometimes because we're so excited, but don't make a decision whether or not to buy a MY2008 9-3 simply judging by the spyshots. That would be silly.

Well imagine that ... :lol:

1985 Gripen
17th March 2007, 04:45 PM
Hah, how come you get to talk to Vester? unfair! :p

I met him at the SAAB 60th Anniversary Media Event in San Diego when I was invited as a representative for TrollhattanSAAB. He's a very nice guy. Everyone I met from SAAB USA, and even a manager from SAAB Sweden, are really nice people.

I was trading e-mails with Mr. Vester on another subject and he suggested I call him so we could discuss some concerns I had regarding Cadillac's push into Europe. Those details will appear on Swade's site sometime soon too.

I think it's great that SAAB is interested enough in what its hardcore fans think that they would like to communicate with us in this way.

SaabKen
18th March 2007, 12:31 AM
I get regular Saab news emails from Mr. Jan-Wilem Vester (or his office anyway), it's cool cuz I don't know how I even got on their mailing list.

Same with the SAAB magazine ..... I get it in the mail 3(?) times a year. :D

Wulf
18th March 2007, 12:41 AM
I met him at the SAAB 60th Anniversary Media Event in San Diego when I was invited as a representative for TrollhattanSAAB. He's a very nice guy.
Of course, he's Dutch :cheesy:

cinemarr
18th March 2007, 08:09 PM
I get regular Saab news emails from Mr. Jan-Wilem Vester (or his office anyway), it's cool cuz I don't know how I even got on their mailing list.

Same with the SAAB magazine ..... I get it in the mail 3(?) times a year. :D

I get the mag too and it's great!

Swade
18th March 2007, 11:27 PM
I was trading e-mails with Mr. Vester on another subject and he suggested I call him so we could discuss some concerns I had regarding Cadillac's push into Europe. Those details will appear on Swade's site sometime soon too.



The bullet points from Gripen's call with Mr Vester are now on site. Talks about BioPower, Cadillac and those spyshots, amongst a couple of other things.

My bass guitar was made by a company called Vester, but that's by the by....