I got a chace to get a chance to get a new TD05h turbo for 100 dollars. I think im goin to get it but what i was wondering is what type of performance im goin to get out of it, also i have a 1994 saab 900se turbo. What size is the stock turbo and how much bigger is the TD05H. Im also getting the viggen intercooler off of gensaab. Also what is a good blow-off valve to get. The turbo comes with the wastgate but will it work. The turbo is for a eagle talon. What else should I get in order for everything to run fine. I already have a intake and an exhaust.What type of horsepower am i looking at with the turbo,intercooler,blow-off valve, intake,exhause. The only downpipes i can find are 3" do they make a 2 1/2" downpipe.

Don't worry about the blow-off valve, that's the least of your concerns with a $100 turbo.

It flows more than the TD04, but I'm not sure it's the best application for this engine. There are a couple of ex-DSM guys who might have more experience with it.

You need to make sure the housings match and that the turbo is properly clocked. I'd advise you do some serious research before plopping any cash on this.

I got a chace to get a chance to get a new TD05h turbo for 100 dollars. I think im goin to get it but what i was wondering is what type of performance im goin to get out of it, also i have a 1994 saab 900se turbo. What size is the stock turbo and how much bigger is the TD05H. Im also getting the viggen intercooler off of gensaab. Also what is a good blow-off valve to get. The turbo comes with the wastgate but will it work. The turbo is for a eagle talon. What else should I get in order for everything to run fine. I already have a intake and an exhaust.What type of horsepower am i looking at with the turbo,intercooler,blow-off valve, intake,exhause. The only downpipes i can find are 3" do they make a 2 1/2" downpipe.

First, the turbo... i doubt it's going to be a dirrect bolt on, actually i am 99.9 percent positive it wont be a bolt on swap. For the blow off valve i suggest forge, turboxs, or the HKS SSQV (this it what i have, sounds like the ones in the new need for speed game). it all depends what kind of sounds your looking for. once you get you intake, intercooler, 3'' DP and exhaust you should look into getting your ECU tuned to maximize the performance of your other mods. Until you get your new ecu i suggest getting a manual boost controller, will work for increasing boost and decreasing spool up time. The MBC is a cheap and easy install. If you get all these mods and then custom ECU work done, i'm sure your car will be creeping up on 300hp if not over(depending what stage ecu). As for the downpipe, you wouldn't want the 2.5'' inch, just go with one of the 3'' ones you've seen. also if your seriously looking to upgrade your turbo (which i don't think you need as your first engine mod) go with a direct bolt on to save a crap load of fustration when swapping.

what turbo do you suggest i get for my car. i was told that the td05h would bolt up but i belive you guys when u tell me it wont.i have most of the stuff i mentioned on order

i know john williams has a turbo he got form jak stoll, jakstollperformance.com (http://www.jakstollperformance.com) its called the JSP "big boy"- it's probably one of the biggest ones- i think he has two different ones thatt are bolt on. you could go with a 9-3 High output turbo. i'm sure you'll get other posts soon that will help you more, good luck

A td04 is a direct bolt up. They came on the Viggen and 00-02 9-3 HOT's. You will still need custom oil and coolant lines and a new turbo inlet pipe, but this is easier that the work to fit the td05.

what do i need to fit the TD05h

what do i need to fit the TD05h


a talon


seriously, i dont know anything about turbos

except, i wouldnt want to be the first and only person to do somthing to my saab

it IS a good deal.... but, may not be all that practical for your saab??

good luck though! if you end up doing it......maybe you can start a trend..


if you could get it to fit, do you think it will increase your hp?? or psi?? or what

You would need to find out what bolt pattern was on the turbine side (exhaust side) of the turbo. If it's not a T25 style, then you'd need an exhaust flange welded to your manifold to make it fit.

You'd need to reclock the turbo, which means disassembling the center section from the compressor and turbine sides and re-orienting them so that the compressor side pointed down toward your intercooler hose -- while making sure that the wastegate actuator was in the proper spot.

You might also need to do some machining on the compressor intake to make a silicone coupling fit, but there's not much room between the turbo and the air conditioning compressor.

Oh, and you absolutely need a 3" downpipe, so you need to make sure that the DP flange was compatible with the turbine housing. If not, you'd need an adapter or have a welder make one.

Then, assuming you can figure out the fabrication, you'd need to figure out fuel supply. An ECU mod is safest, but most expensive -- about $600. You could try to fake something by adding more pressure to the fuel rail and installing bigger injectors....but you'd run the risk of running lean.

the flange is not a standard t25. a manifold should be extremely simple to fab up (i had done 4 for my old hondas).

RRE will have most of the flanges you need and gaskets. BmC race can cut you a manifold flange, all you need to do is send them the exhaust manifold gasket.

piping can be picked up at mcmaster carr. sch 10 stainless isnt very expensive(its the same crap other companies use).


i will do a write up when i mount up my evo 16g.

i think Zerodaze might be our new MVP

the tdo5 has the proppelor is on the same side as the stock turbo and the exhause is also on the same side as the stock turbo also. the only difference is that the flange is different. How hard would it be to fab up a new flange. Also is a tdo5 bigger that the tdo4. Also do you guys think is even worth doin.

i will do a write up when i mount up my evo 16g.

Big wheel or little?

The big wheel will be a bad-azz combo....nice top end...

zero, what would your ballpark estimate be on a stainless manifold?

EDIT: found the BMC Racing site...$600 for stainless isn't bad at all....

I would like to say be careful on this project and do your homework... If you have to fabricate a flange, then come up with all the oil lines and coolant lines to the turbo, then clock the turbo, it may be more expensive than going with a 100% bolt up turbo like a td04 or t28 or t25/28.... I got the 100% bolt up big JSP T28/28gtr turbo from Jak and besides the oil line, all other lines bolted right up no problem... My buddie, who is doing a gt28r. install for same JSP stage 5 on the same car ng1995 900set. has had nothing but trouble and had to buy new stainless oil and coolant lines and had to have a new intake pipe fitted, fabricated that is... Then he had to have the exhaust modified to fit and a new flange put on and then the bracket assembly for the actuator... bye the time he was done, he could have bought another new turbo!!!:o Bye the way, its still not working right and he is going to have to go back to the exhaust shop and try and figure out what the heck is going on.... Anyway, I wonder if this guy had to do it all over again, if he would not just get one of Jak's hybrid turbos and be done with it... I have been having fun with my turbo for months now, this pore kid has yet to unleash his bad-boy turbo...
Just some thoughts: IF you are not good at problem solving and fabrication, the money you save on the used turbo will be left far behind by the time you find and install all the pieces you will need to make this turbo work on your car.... Then after all that mess, you have to match your fuel ratio to your larger air ratio, which means you need a tuner to tune your ecu and possibly add larger injectors, then check it all on the dyno to make sure its safe.. You need a wide-band a/f devise to accurately check a/f mixtures.....
Good Luck!!!
John

Your an idot Mike, the guys mentioned my name and turbo set-up and offered one of Jak's 100% bolt on turbos as an option to trying to make a tdo5 turbo fit on a Saab... They asked for advise, I gave it with a real-life example of how installing a turbo that is not 100% bolt on. It can be a nightmare... My point was it might be a lot less costly and cause a lot less head-ach if you went with a turbo that will bolt right up... I also mentioned that if you do add a biger turbo, you want to make sure the fuel is matched to it by upgrading your ecu.

I have only posted a few times on sn.... No one jumps all over me for my post over there.... Do what you have to... What are ya, the hall monitor in school???
Better hope you do not come down my path after school!!!;) Snitches and tatletales have been known to get their butts whipped for such things...

John

thanks guys for everything i think i will go with a tdo4 now. one last question is a tdo4 bigger that the tdo5

Your an idot Mike, the guys mentioned my name and turbo set-up and offered one of Jak's 100% bolt on turbos as an option to trying to make a tdo5 turbo fit on a Saab... They asked for advise, I gave it with a real-life example of how installing a turbo that is not 100% bolt on. It can be a nightmare... My point was it might be a lot less costly and cause a lot less head-ach if you went with a turbo that will bolt right up... I also mentioned that if you do add a biger turbo, you want to make sure the fuel is matched to it by upgrading your ecu.

I have only posted a few times on sn.... No one jumps all over me for my post over there.... Do what you have to... What are ya, the hall monitor in school???
Better hope you do not come down my path after school!!!;) Snitches and tatletales have been known to get their butts whipped for such things...

John


Exceptionally classy, John. Excellent forum behavior. You're a credit to your tuner.

thanks guys for everything i think i will go with a tdo4 now. one last question is a tdo4 bigger that the tdo5

My apologies for that silly childish display above....It started to sound like a Honda forum in here....(with apologies to Honda forum users...:cheesy: )

The TD04 is smaller, yes, but you can produce serious power with it while keeping both cost and fueling changes at a minimum. There are several guys making 240-250 whp uncorrected using a TD04, and they're pretty easily available and relatively cheap. They're on 94-98 Saab 9000 Aeros, the 00-02 9-3 SE models, and the 99-02 Viggen.

It will bolt on your manifold with no problem; the only thing you'll want to do is port the exhaust side slightly

EDIT: You'll also need to make some minor plumbing changes, such as lengthening the coolant supply line (easy to do with a length of fuel hose) and realigning the oil feed line.

IF you are not good at problem solving and fabrication, the money you save on the used turbo will be left far behind by the time you find and install all the pieces you will need to make this turbo work on your car....

this is pretty important.

for me, its not an issue. i have a shop that does custom fab everyday at my finger tips. not everyone has this, or the skills to weld and bla bla bla.
this isnt the a project for someone who has never gone beyond simple bolt ons and oil changes. it could turn out worse than my spelling.

mike, as far as cost of a manifold goes. all the metal needed for a simple "shorty" tubular or a log can be bought for round 100 US dollars. if you cant do the welding and cutting yourself, or dont have a friend who can, the actual cost of fabing it will bite you in the *****; however, if you have the resources (a tig, band/chop saw, and a drill press) you can do it in about the time it takes to drink a 6 pack in the garage.

i will be using a twin scroll 16g off a new evo. it shouldnt give me too much lag, and will hold power nicely.

mike, as far as cost of a manifold goes. all the metal needed for a simple "shorty" tubular or a log can be bought for round 100 US dollars. if you cant do the welding and cutting yourself, or dont have a friend who can, the actual cost of fabing it will bite you in the *****; however, if you have the resources (a tig, band/chop saw, and a drill press) you can do it in about the time it takes to drink a 6 pack in the garage.

i will be using a twin scroll 16g off a new evo. it shouldnt give me too much lag, and will hold power nicely.

Uh...cutting is no problem and I can JB Weld like a mofo...does that count? :cheesy:

Making my own manifold would be beyond me. I taught myself carpentry and framing, but never welding. I'd probably burn down half the house attempting to make a decent bead..

I can, however, drink a 6-pack in the garage in no time....

That twin-scroll sounds just evil...Is that the one used in the "FQ" Evo?

enough of that seriously what a child like remark mike, feels good to behave like a 13 yr old does it not?

enough of that seriously what a child like remark mike, feels good to behave like a 13 yr old does it not?

The lack of punctuation is puzzling me, so I'm not sure which childlike remark you're referring to. Did you mean the original one I deleted, the retort to the one calling me an "idot" or the slight dig at Honda forums?

I post a lot, so you'll need to be more specific.

i think mike and john need to kiss and make up. i mean c'mon, we all drive SAABS here- what do we have to be mad at???

in John's defense, i mentioned him and his turbo set-up AND i even hoped by mentioning this that he would post about his setup- since his is one of the only guys running a turbo that isn't stock, so thanks for your reply, man

i think mike and john need to kiss and make up. i mean c'mon, we all drive SAABS here- what do we have to be mad at???

in John's defense, i mentioned him and his turbo set-up AND i even hoped by mentioning this that he would post about his setup- since his is one of the only guys running a turbo that isn't stock, so thanks for your reply, man

I'm all about the love, baby! :cool: Seriously...

I took my earlier post offline very soon after it was made because I don't want this place to sound like homemadeturbo.com or any of the ricer forums

(for the record...there a a lot of guys running non-stock turbos. My turbo is a Volvo-sourced 16T, T3 exhaust side, wildly different from a Saab turbo, which is why I added the info about the compressor side mods, reclocking, manifold adapting and etc. I was trying to speak from experience without plugging a specific tuner and turning the thread into a giant ad. :cheesy: )

I'm all about the love, baby! :cool: Seriously...

I took my earlier post offline very soon after it was made because I don't want this place to sound like homemadeturbo.com or any of the ricer forums

(for the record...there a a lot of guys running non-stock turbos. My turbo is a Volvo-sourced 16T, T3 exhaust side, wildly different from a Saab turbo, which is why I added the info about the compressor side mods, reclocking, manifold adapting and etc. I was trying to speak from experience without plugging a specific tuner and turning the thread into a giant ad. :cheesy: )

i almost couldn't read that, also wasn't aware of the vast amount of guys running aftermarket, but by a lot you probably mean like 20 right?

Definitely more than 20, but very few using TD05s because of the hassles mentioned earlier. Getting a turbo built for a specific manufacturer other than Saab often leads to more headache than it's worth -- mainly for the reasons JZW mentioned earlier.

I made mine fit and it's a great unit -- boosts over 30 psi easily -- but it was a royal PITA to get it sorted out.

over 30 psi??? now i want one really bad. you said it was a volvo turbo? where and how muh did you pick this up for? i'm looking to upgrade turbos and let me tell you, 30 psi easily sounds great

I'm ready to listen too Mike,

My TD0-4 is sitting in the shed waiting to go on after a quick rebuild



Chris

the td05h might actually be smaller believe it or not, u dont say which td05 it is nor any other info, if u want a simple bolt on get some oil lines and a td04-15t or 16t

Several years of Volvo models used a TD04HL16T (check www.melett.com for the exact lineup)

You can make it fit by reclocking it (www.stealth316.com has great instructions; if this site isn't in your favorites, it should be...) but you'll need to adjust the wastegate tension.

The exhaust side is a funky T3 style with a recessed section that needs to be made flush with the T3 flange that you'll need welded to the manifold. Over the past few months, ATP turbo has started to make an adapter (wish I knew about this earlier :evil: )

The stock oil supply line isn't long enough, so you'll need to get one made or make one yourself...

If you already have a TD04, I'd consider finding a 6cm2 exhaust housing from a 9000 Aero turbo and mating that to it. The HL turbos have the same diameter center section, you you can swap housings...within limits.

Thanks Mike for the info.

Feel free to share more helpful tips;) :lol:

I will be looking into my turbo install this summer/autumn along with a stage 3 ecu.

konig and john z williams...... take more time with your posts! so that we can understand them better.

Thanks Mike for the info.

Feel free to share more helpful tips;) :lol:

I will be looking into my turbo install this summer/autumn along with a stage 3 ecu.

Sweet!

Let us know when you're about to do it. You may find that there are folks with available TD04s, as they occasionally come up on Ebay or on craigslist. Someone can always point you in the right direction!