View Full Version : Saab 9-5 2.8 V6 turbo......
edusaab
22-07-05, 06:13 PM
It seems that the 2006 9-5 will have the 2.8 V6 turbo engine with 250bhp and also with a upgrade kit to deliver 310bhp.
My delaer confirmed this, He was in Sweden last week in the last Dealers meeting. They also saw the 9-6x, but that was quite strange and the info He explain to me it is quite confusing.
It seems that the 9-5 interior is very similar to the actual 9-5, with minor changes on the dashboard and climate controls.
Also, about the 9-7x, as it was informed in this forum it will come to Europe. The delaers that has interest on it must spend some money in tools, mechanic education and so....Every dealer by region will have a number of units asigned.
greetings
SaabKen
22-07-05, 07:28 PM
I KNEW it ! That would explain the dual exhaust tips in the pics ! Still it seems weird that GM/Saab have been so mum about this, so I'm holding my breath
stryker
22-07-05, 09:19 PM
310bhp :o do we also get wings included with the kit?
SaabKen
22-07-05, 10:17 PM
Like your avatar :)
310bhp :o do we also get wings included with the kit?
AudiSAABfans
22-07-05, 10:20 PM
310hp V6 turbo is competitive enough to go tackle A6 3.2FSI, E350 and 530i. The 3 most direct competitors to 9-5 V6.:cool: :cool:
SaabKen
22-07-05, 10:53 PM
The Volvo S60R rings in at 300bhp at US$38K, the Acura RL also at 300bhp for US$49K, the Infiniti M twins bookend all of these at 280bhp for M35 (US$41K) and 330bhp for M45 (US$47K). Assuming the 9-5 Aero does come with the 2.8L V6T and the prices goes up marginally from current US$40,675 to ~ US$42,000-45,000 it'll still be a pretty good deal by comparison :D
Let's hope it happens !!
310hp V6 turbo is competitive enough to go tackle A6 3.2FSI, E350 and 530i. The 3 most direct competitors to 9-5 V6.:cool: :cool:
aero1116
22-07-05, 11:32 PM
Wait wait wait... is it still going to be fwd? Or is it going to have some awd feature?
Oh well, I like a little tourque steer anyways. :D
oddferkout
23-07-05, 05:18 AM
A RWD Turbo 9-5. That'd be awesome.
peterchurch
23-07-05, 06:21 AM
A RWD Turbo 9-5. That'd be awesome.
Has Saab ever built a RWD car??
Has Saab ever built a RWD car??
Nope. No RWD model as yet, but give GM time :roll:
peterchurch
23-07-05, 12:50 PM
does anyone else here think that we need an RWD Saab??
edusaab
23-07-05, 01:19 PM
for me, not!! A RWD could be more eficient and better in sporty drive and twisty roads, but for everyday use for me is the worst, now a days all the RWD are more dependant of the ESP and electronics and that makes that in bad weather are quite unsafe.
the number of crashes with RWD cars in bad conditions is just amazing, the people think that with the ESP the cars are unable to loose the control...
I have a friend with a 325i e46 and he is unable to follow me in twisty roads in wet roads. If he put on the DSC the car is quite slow, if he put off it he can go a faster but in every corner he must reduce the speed a lot and has a lot oversteer.
greetings
DaGerman
23-07-05, 03:39 PM
so, will you be able to buy the car with the upgrade kit on it already, or will you just have to go to a saab dealership or something of the sort and do it yourself?? but anyways, !!!!!!!! 310hp!!!!!! awesome!!!!! that should be fun, hehehehehehe, i wonder how torque steering would be with that much power, that would be fun...
SaabKen
23-07-05, 03:53 PM
You know as I was excited to hear this from Edusaab, something about it doesn't seem quite right. If the 9-5 really is getting the V6, you'd think there'd be some announcements or even press leaks already by now. After all, Saab is small and new cars and changes don't come along everyday for them. I went back to the recent interview with Jay Spenchian and here's an excerpt, which does not mention any V6 (other than in 9-3) in the 9-5, just that 9-5's output is bumped up to 260.
Interview with Jay
(http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=106481)
"Any powertrain changes in the 9-5?
No. We're pretty happy with the powertrain. We'll have 260 horsepower at the top end on the Aero.
Is there a successor to the 9-5 in the pipeline?
There's a pretty strong successor in the pipeline off the global Epsilon platform. We are working on that right now.
When could we see that?
In the next three to four years.
As a 2008 model?
2008 or a little bit further out than that.
Can you tell me anything else?
We're looking at all-wheel drive as an addition…even though it's a shared platform [with the Cadillac BLS], it will be uniquely Saab.
What else are you adding to the portfolio?
The V6 engine, the 2.8 turbo that's being added to the 9-3 lineup across the board. That will be in the fall in conjunction with the launch of the SportCombi and the new 9-3 offerings, the convertible and the sedan. The Aero version will have 250 horsepower in a V6."
SaabKen
23-07-05, 05:12 PM
Only RWD application I can think of (and wouldn't mind having) is in a new Sonett IV covertible roadster/hardtop coupe :D
Why don't someone p-shop the Saturn Sky into a Sonett IV and paste Jay's smiling face on it, then email it to him and GM/Saab ? That'll get him excited :cheesy:
does anyone else here think that we need an RWD Saab??
stryker
23-07-05, 07:00 PM
does anyone else here think that we need an RWD Saab??
Heck no. I would not object to AWD though.
RWD drives only one car the way it should; Porsche 911.
peterchurch
23-07-05, 07:28 PM
for me, not!! A RWD could be more eficient and better in sporty drive and twisty roads, but for everyday use for me is the worst, now a days all the RWD are more dependant of the ESP and electronics and that makes that in bad weather are quite unsafe.
the number of crashes with RWD cars in bad conditions is just amazing, the people think that with the ESP the cars are unable to loose the control...
I have a friend with a 325i e46 and he is unable to follow me in twisty roads in wet roads. If he put on the DSC the car is quite slow, if he put off it he can go a faster but in every corner he must reduce the speed a lot and has a lot oversteer.
greetings
I would agree :) My SL loses alot of its fun simply because ESP wont let you do the things that RWD cars do best because its dangerous. I also had to drive my MR2 in the snow last winter and that was very scarey especially when I got to the bottom of a hill only to realise that I was stuck as I could not get the car back up the otherside....
DaGerman
23-07-05, 08:02 PM
doesn't saab have a 9-3 aero 2.8 V6 with a turbo over in germany with 250hp?!?!?!?! so is this the same engine??? so can you get the upgrade kit for that one to. i would love having a vert saab with 310hp. here is where i found it:
http://www.saab.com/main/DE/de/index.html
peterchurch
23-07-05, 09:00 PM
doesn't saab have a 9-3 aero 2.8 V6 with a turbo over in germany with 250hp?!?!?!?! so is this the same engine??? so can you get the upgrade kit for that one to. i would love having a vert saab with 310hp. here is where i found it:
http://www.saab.com/main/DE/de/index.html
I don't think so... The 2.8 v6 is a new model... I looked into a hirsch
kit for a 210 Bhp 93 they do a 305 Hp kit for the 95 but the highest that you can so at the moment for a 93 is the Troll R that gives you 256 Bhp and 370Nm torque I think that is reduced for cars with auto boxes... im sure thay will do something totally OTT for the 2.8 soon though :D
SaabKen
24-07-05, 06:34 AM
Yes and no. You discovered that Saab has already updated some of its national websites with the 9-3 Aero having the new V6. I took a quick glance at Saab Global then went into some of the countries, the ones that have the V6 are UK, Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark, Belgium and Switzerland but not yet in other countries like France, Spain, Netherlands etc.
Interestingly, some of the Euro sites mention the 9-7X as news release but obviously not as a model for sale. At least not yet.
Ken
doesn't saab have a 9-3 aero 2.8 V6 with a turbo over in germany with 250hp?!?!?!?! so is this the same engine??? so can you get the upgrade kit for that one to. i would love having a vert saab with 310hp. here is where i found it:
http://www.saab.com/main/DE/de/index.html
aeropilot
24-07-05, 12:46 PM
i would love having a vert saab with 310hp.
:o
I can't understand anybody wanting a powerfull engine in a floppy-flimsy-flexible convertible bodyshell........:roll:
DaGerman
24-07-05, 04:19 PM
:o
I can't understand anybody wanting a powerfull engine in a floppy-flimsy-flexible convertible bodyshell........:roll:
if you strenghten it right, and have the right things done to it, it won't be that bad, now would it?? i'm not to sure how bad it would be, since it is kinda a big jump from my 150 to 310. lol. but the new mustangs vert with 300hp seem to work fine.
DaGerman
24-07-05, 04:22 PM
Yes and no. You discovered that Saab has already updated some of its national websites with the 9-3 Aero having the new V6. I took a quick glance at Saab Global then went into some of the countries, the ones that have the V6 are UK, Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark, Belgium and Switzerland but not yet in other countries like France, Spain, Netherlands etc.
Interestingly, some of the Euro sites mention the 9-7X as news release but obviously not as a model for sale. At least not yet.
Ken
oh, ok. so that is the new engine, just they updated it a little to early. ok. that makes sense. but yeah, i was wondering about the 9-7X, too. i look at a few countries, but not a single one of them had anything about it. weird.
aeropilot
24-07-05, 05:26 PM
if you strenghten it right, and have the right things done to it, it won't be that bad, now would it??
Yes it would.
Strengthen means more weight, which means worse handling, you won't ever totally eliminate scuttle shake etc., etc.,etc
And almost nothing you do to strengthen a monocoque convertible bodyshell can compensate for removing the roof from a monocoque shell, the roof being a primary part of a monocoque bodyshell structure. The load paths through the structure will just not work in the same way.
It can be done at a price, and with certain body styles/shapes, as Ferrari have just proved with the new Ferrari F430.
A RWD Turbo 9-5. That'd be awesome.
That'd be gay.
peterchurch
25-07-05, 09:45 AM
:o
I can't understand anybody wanting a powerfull engine in a floppy-flimsy-flexible convertible bodyshell........:roll:
Who says that a bendy shell is a bad thing ?
aeropilot
25-07-05, 11:45 AM
Who says that a bendy shell is a bad thing ?
Every automotive design engineer. A flexible structure is not desirable. Aeroplanes....yes, certain building structures.....yes.
Vehicles......no, I'm not too up on Naval architecture, but I would assume a no also.
93Linear
25-07-05, 02:16 PM
Couple of points ...
1) RWD - Haven't heard anything remotely mentioning RWD for any Saab. However, the same interview that is referenced earlier in this thread (and it's own thread in the New forum) clearly says that AWD is a goal for the entire Saab line-up by 2008/2009
2) Hirsch Tuning - Pretty much as soon as the V6T was announced, I sent an email to Hirsch asking if they would have tuning kits available for that engine. They replied within a few days saying that kits will be available by early 2006, but they would not state any performance or pricing numbers yet.
Happy Saabing
DaGerman
26-07-05, 08:11 PM
so i was thinking... how powerful of a turbo is on this. it can't be a HOT, so is a like a LOP. cuz the 4 cylinder HOT is 250, so that must be a small turbo on the V6. i can't wait till saab comes out with a V6 HOT. :cheesy:
peterchurch
26-07-05, 09:13 PM
As I understand it the engine is based on a Holden block with a Mitzubishi turbo :) I would suggest that the engine is going to be around 50% capacity as stock :D But to be honest even that is going to be too much so chipping it is just going to totally eat tyres :D and bounce like tigger :cool:
Rob in Atlanta
26-07-05, 09:48 PM
As I understand it the engine is based on a Holden block with a Mitzubishi turbo :) I would suggest that the engine is going to be around 50% capacity as stock :D But to be honest even that is going to be too much so chipping it is just going to totally eat tyres :D and bounce like tigger :cool:
Holden is building the short blocks used by the SAAB variant of the engine. GM used several of its subsidiaries, including SAAB, to design the engine and versions of it are being built in both North America and Australia. Mitsubishi is the supplier of the turbo.
edusaab
26-07-05, 11:08 PM
as it says the name, the engine is a Global Development of different GM companies, but Holden is one of the leaders in the project. Saab take care of the development in the Turbo version and in the basic development.
take a look at the media.gm.com website, then go to the GM Powertrain website and the to the Press kit.
It is quite interesting to take a look at the Bosch Motronic ECU, it works as the Trionic ECU, "torque on demand" concept developed by Saab.
The Engine can work with multiple variants, as Direct injection, turbo, non turbo...FWD, RWD, AWD, transveral position etc etc.... and is able to offer about 400bhp.
greetings
Brendan
27-07-05, 01:43 AM
The Holden engine is going to be a 3.8L engine, so is it possible to bore out the Saab engine to 3.8L?
peterchurch
27-07-05, 02:04 AM
The Engine can work with multiple variants, as Direct injection, turbo, non turbo...FWD, RWD, AWD, transveral position etc etc.... and is able to offer about 400bhp.
greetings
:o holy sh*t ! that would rip an AMG to bits in a Saab :D that would be very funny to get the beast up to that sort of output :) I doubt that boring it out to a 3.8 would make much difference... one of the things that struck me about the New SL500 was although it was fast it was easy to get smoked by 2.0 cars as the revs were quite slow to develope...
vector220
27-07-05, 09:27 AM
Well, with all the rumours going on I was searching a forum in Netherlands about this new engine matter.
I found a discussions dealing with a new diesel engine developed by Alfa and Fiat. I couldn't follow because of the language....
But the specs on that engine were totally awesome.
http://img93.exs.cx/img93/5882/vr630specs7lu.jpg (http://img93.exs.cx/img93/5882/vr630specs7lu.jpg)
Anyone out there how can help out translating? Or just give more fuel to this discussion?
http://www.autoweek.nl/forum/read.php?12,1163165 (http://www.autoweek.nl/forum/read.php?12,1163165) (down the page a bit)
edusaab
27-07-05, 11:05 AM
Today I was speakin with the dealer and he said to me that during the presentation of the 9-5, Saab showed to the dealers the 9-6x. The interior it seems that is similar to the Tribeca with some changes. The next year will come to Europe with petrol engines and in the future could be with a diesel.
Remember the 9-5SW that GM used to the development of the new VX8 engine?? V8 with 300bhp.
greetings
I heard the same from a dealer as well. He said it looked VERY good.
Rob in Atlanta
27-07-05, 01:03 PM
It is quite interesting to take a look at the Bosch Motronic ECU, it works as the Trionic ECU, "torque on demand" concept developed by Saab.
Yes. This will be the first non-Trionic turbo engine for SAAB in a long time. The stated reason that Trionic isn't being used is that Trionic can not be readily adapted to a six-cylinder engine. The new V6 loses the Trionic's ionic knock sensor capabilities. The Bosch Motronic, however, has been heavily modified to SAAB's specifications and tuning.
edusaab
27-07-05, 01:15 PM
I don't understand why, it could be the valve timing system, but the V6turbo in the 9-5 it used the Trionic T7....
Another couriosity is that if you take a look at the pics, there is an Australian website with all the info from GM powertrain and pics, the Motronic ECU it is exactly the same as the Trionic T8 ECu of the 9-3ss, both of them are with a metallic box, with the same shape.
Anybody know who is the Supplier?? I know that the Trionic T8 is made in France, but nothing more.... The Saab DI, ion sensing and Trionic was designed with Mecel (www.mecel.se (http://www.mecel.se)) but i don't know if it is the same company who produce them.
greetings
Rob in Atlanta
27-07-05, 01:20 PM
I don't understand why, it could be the valve timing system, but the V6turbo in the 9-5 it used the Trionic T7....
I read this somewhere recently. I will try to find the information and post a link. The article that I read did mention that the Trionic was used for the V6 turbo in 9-5, but that significant compromises had to be made to adapt the Trionic to the V6 architecture.
apzer09
27-07-05, 08:52 PM
I'm pretty sure the 9-5's V6 had Trionic, and I'm almost positive the NG900's 2.5L V6 had Trionic. Both versions of Trionic were not as advanced as the one's in the current 9-3 models, but I noticed that the 1.8i model 9-3 sold in Europe does not have Trionic. I bet the Bosch system was retained to cut down on costs. It's such a shame though, because since GM has the Trionic technology, it should be standard on all of their vehicles.
moronputz
27-07-05, 10:16 PM
The Holden engine is going to be a 3.8L engine, so is it possible to bore out the Saab engine to 3.8L?
Actually the Holden engine is already in use as a 3.6 without turbo. Low tune levels due to lower octane fuel gives it only 175 or 190kW (240-260HP).
Holden already have done a twin-turbo version fo this engine for a show car. Great torque and 360HP, but I doubt it would fit in a Saab FWD chassis without substantial plumbing changes (which would proabably result in changed outputs).
Holden are makign the engine in a range of sizes from 2.8-3.6L. For example, Alfa are taking it in 3.2L form.
moronputz
27-07-05, 10:19 PM
I'm pretty sure the 9-5's V6 had Trionic, and I'm almost positive the NG900's 2.5L V6 had Trionic.
Actually the NG900 was not a turbo and used Bosch Motronic as its ECU.
apzer09
27-07-05, 10:53 PM
Actually the NG900 was not a turbo and used Bosch Motronic as its ECU.
Yes, you are right, and while I was digging for more info I found that the 2.3L in the NG900s was also powered by a Bosch system. It appears Saab's Trionic system has been exclusively mated to turbo engines including the 9-5's Turbo V6.
Saab will never release a RWD car, that would be the end of the world. Saabs will always be either FWD or AWD. Im curious about this AWD for the 9-5 though, is that going to be in '06? Will that apply to the 9-3s????? That would rock :cheesy:
edusaab
28-07-05, 10:58 AM
The trionic it was used only in Turbo versions. The atmosferic versions of the 2.0, 2.3 liters uses the Bosch system. Also the 2.5 V6 in the 900 and the 3.0 V6 in the 9000 uses the Bosch system.
greetings
DaGerman
28-07-05, 03:04 PM
The trionic it was used only in Turbo versions. The atmosferic versions of the 2.0, 2.3 liters uses the Bosch system. Also the 2.5 V6 in the 900 and the 3.0 V6 in the 9000 uses the Bosch system.
greetings
why do you also put "greetings" at the end of your post???
abdukted1456
28-07-05, 03:07 PM
why do you also put "greetings" at the end of your post???
because he is friendly.:cheesy:
edusaab
28-07-05, 03:48 PM
Here in Spain we are very friendly, toreros and fieeeeesta!!!! jajajaja....
no, now seriously, it is something that all the Spanish Forums, to be more friendly, to be more social etc etc it is quite commonly to put "saludos" in english it is greetings,regards, Best regards etc etc
in the Saab forum, we put Saabludos
greeeeetings....jejeje
abdukted1456
28-07-05, 03:53 PM
see i told you he was a nice guy.:cheesy:
SaabKen
28-07-05, 04:20 PM
Easy on the valdepeñas, Edusaab ! :lol:
edusaab
28-07-05, 05:19 PM
here we are more emotional....The climate it make us like that, but also less productive in some terms, more calm. If you take a look at Spain, is not the same Barcelona and Catalonia or the North of the country, or the South of the country, we are quite different(for examples the Toros(bulls) are more common in the south, they have more calm attitude, less "serious" more enjoyable........, but in general we have some common features that defines us as "Latins".saabludos
This thread really has taken on a life of its own!
Saabludos. Love it.
SaabKen
28-07-05, 11:41 PM
Saabludos ...... sounds like something Taco Bell concocted :roll:
Saabludos ...... sounds like something Taco Bell concocted :roll:
I'll get the Saabludos SportCombi meal with the twin-scroll supersize. :cheesy:
CleveSaab
29-07-05, 01:41 AM
:o
I can't understand anybody wanting a powerfull engine in a floppy-flimsy-flexible convertible bodyshell........:roll:
Painfully obvious you haven't driven the SS vert. ;) Miles above the previous generation when it comes to "tightness" and rigidity.
I'll get the Saabludos SportCombi meal with the twin-scroll supersize. :cheesy:
OMG.......
aeropilot
29-07-05, 12:01 PM
Painfully obvious you haven't driven the SS vert. ;) Miles above the previous generation when it comes to "tightness" and rigidity.
What is painfully obvious is I don't know you and you sure don't know me so how would you have any idea what I have or have not driven....:confused: :confused:
FYI I have driven a number of SS verts........
Yes, they are a big improvement on the previous generation car, but that's not the point I was putting across....:roll:
CleveSaab
29-07-05, 02:01 PM
What is painfully obvious is I don't know you and you sure don't know me so how would you have any idea what I have or have not driven....:confused: :confused:
FYI I have driven a number of SS verts........
Yes, they are a big improvement on the previous generation car, but that's not the point I was putting across....:roll:
It's called a guess?!?
Didja' happen to see the winking smiley in my post? Kind of intended so you would know I was not trying to be rude.
I believe your point was a vert would need to be much more rigid to handle much more HP....and my point is that the new vert IS more rigid and less likely to "flex" under increased load.
DaGerman
29-07-05, 09:49 PM
Here in Spain we are very friendly, toreros and fieeeeesta!!!! jajajaja....
no, now seriously, it is something that all the Spanish Forums, to be more friendly, to be more social etc etc it is quite commonly to put "saludos" in english it is greetings,regards, Best regards etc etc
in the Saab forum, we put Saabludos
greeeeetings....jejeje
lol, just wondered. ummmm.....saabludos....sounds good. now i'm hungry....
SAABLUDOS!!!!
DaGerman
29-07-05, 09:53 PM
I'll get the Saabludos SportCombi meal with the twin-scroll supersize. :cheesy:
which sportcombi??? 93 or 95??? :lol:
1985 Gripen
30-07-05, 02:22 AM
Saab will never release a RWD car, that would be the end of the world. Saabs will always be either FWD or AWD. Im curious about this AWD for the 9-5 though, is that going to be in '06? Will that apply to the 9-3s????? That would rock :cheesy:
You may be right, but if SAAB were to release a new Sonett on the GM Kappa platform shared w/ the Saturn Sky and Pontiac Solstice, it would be RWD. That's a RWD platform.
The current gen of 9-3 is built on GM's global Epsilon platform, which is FWD only. The next gen 9-3 and 9-5 will be based on Epsilon II, which has the capability of AWD, but that won't be until around '08.