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apzer09
13th April 2005, 06:28 PM
From Autocar:

http://www.autocarmagazine.com/News_Article.asp?ST=&NA_ID=214462&EL_ID
The future for Saab is looking considerably brighter. According to inside sources, the next 9-3 and 9-5 models – both due in 2008 – could move exclusively to four-wheel drive, giving the brand a performance edge in the hard-fought premium car market.

Carl-Peter Forster, chairman of the Saab board and president of GM Europe, gave broad hints about the new plan. ‘Front-drive is no longer a core Saab value, but agile, predictable handling definitely is.’

The new Saabs will be based on GM’s Epsilon 2 platform. Sources say the structure will be offered in two widths, the wider of which would underpin larger cars such as the next Saab 9-5.

There is some confusion over the form the new 9-5 will take, however. Forster has promised that Saab will build a ‘global crossover vehicle’, but sources say this could also replace the 9-5 estate.

Saab’s plans for its own version of the Subaru Tribeca crossover vehicle look close to collapse, too. A concept version of the car scheduled for the New York Motor Show didn’t appear. However, sources have confirmed to Autocar that a Saab rival to the Audi A3 is likely to be launched later in the decade.
From Autoblog today:
http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000997039990/

SaabKen
13th April 2005, 07:03 PM
This was previously mentioned in a different thread. I'm happy to see some fairly bright light at the end of the tunnel. Irony is when most or all of Saab's lineup will be AWD in 2008/9, it will be competing directly with Audi and Subaru as the purveyor of exclusive AWD cars. I see Saab fitting somewhere in between Subaru and Audi, more exclusive than Subaru but not quite as snooty (and expensive) as Audi but more sporty, agile and individualized.

The Future's So Bright, I Gotta Wear Shades :cool:
Timbuk 3

93Linear
13th April 2005, 08:02 PM
Showing your age, Ken :cool:

SaabKen
14th April 2005, 12:25 AM
[turning up hearing aid] EH ?


Showing your age, Ken :cool:

Swade
14th April 2005, 05:55 AM
The Future's So Bright, I Gotta Wear Shades :cool:
Timbuk 3

I study nuclear science, I love my classes
I got this crazy teacher he wears dark glasses
Things are going great, and they're only gettin better....

Ah the 80's. :lol:

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Ahem, about the Saabs. Good news. That quote from Forster's an oldie now, but it's good to hear some more development news.

I just read another article where Bob Lutz admitted that US engineers, because of their inability to incorporate design into the process, may be a little behind their European and Asian counterparts.

Well, duh!

sethsev7n
14th April 2005, 02:03 PM
I just read another article where Bob Lutz admitted that US engineers, because of their inability to incorporate design into the process, may be a little behind their European and Asian counterparts.

Well, duh!


lol. Finally realizing what we've known for a loong time. Do you know where that article is?

SaabKen
14th April 2005, 02:15 PM
Here's what I found:

http://www.forbes.com/technology/ebusiness/feeds/ap/2005/04/12/ap1941012.html


http://forums.gminsidenews.com/showthread.php?t=13409


Lutz: Engineers Need More Hands-On Training
04.12.2005, 01:37 PM

General Motors Corp. executive Bob Lutz said Tuesday that U.S. automakers could streamline their design process if American engineers were trained more like their Asian and European counterparts.

"We are actually training our engineers to be managers while the rest of the world trains them to be doers," Lutz said during a speech at the annual conference of the Society of Automotive Engineers in Detroit. GM announced last week that Lutz was stepping down as GM's North American chairman to focus full-time on global product development.

Lutz said Asian and European engineers are trained in drafting and can draw a new design on the spot when they run into problems. U.S. engineers often need to call in designers to do the drawing and may take weeks to figure out a solution, he said.

"It's somewhat bureaucratized, and it's a slow process," Lutz said. "It's because we don't have the bone-deep understanding of what's in there and the ability to draw and model without pulling in a bunch of specialists."

Lutz said fewer youngsters grow up working on cars and playing with Erector sets, which give them the intuition they can't get from computers or mathematical models.

"Today everything is prepackaged and ready to go," Lutz said. "Worse yet, a lot of the tinkering that used to be done on cars is now prohibited by federal emissions regulations, in that everything is tamperproof."

Lutz said GM has been trying to combat the problem with a three-year-old program that trains engineers, including some in the middle of their careers, to do their own drafting.

"It's going to take a while to get all our engineers through this program, but believe me, it's going to be worth it," Lutz said.

Lutz said engineers also will be helped by the company's new global focus. For too long, he said, GM's geographic divisions have been run as entirely separate operations. Last week's management shuffle was part of the new focus, Lutz said.

Lutz said GM's new mid-size Epsilon platform, which is being developed by a global team, is another part of the strategy. The platform will be used for different vehicles around the world.

"We can no longer afford to do engineering and design several times over around the world," Lutz said.

Swade
14th April 2005, 09:53 PM
I got a job waiting, for my graduation
50 thou a year I'll buy a lot of beer
Things are going great, and they're only getting better....:cool:

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Thanks Ken for picking up the article. The one I found was elsewhere, but it's basically the same thing just in another newspaper.

Damn timezone problems!! I'm always asleep while you folks are reading stuff :roll:

Fla2Cali
15th April 2005, 02:53 PM
I was thinking and I think SAAB didn't Debut their version of the Subaru Tribeca because they didn't want both models making debuts at the same time... but who knows we'll see in time.

joshd2012
15th April 2005, 05:54 PM
Finally, signs of AWD in the not too distant future. Personally, I think this should have been done when GM got a majority at Subaru, but better late than never.

SaabKen
15th April 2005, 06:11 PM
Finally, signs of AWD in the not too distant future. Personally, I think this should have been done when GM got a majority at Subaru, but better late than never.


Actually GM only owns 20% of Fuji Heavy Industries, parent company of Subaru.