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andante
27th January 2005, 07:24 AM
Due to engine problems Saab introduces 8 year engine warranty on the following models:

Saab 9-5 with the B205 och B235 engines (1998-2003)
Saab 9-3 with the B205 och B235 engines (2000-2002)
Saab 9-3 Cabriolet (2000-2003)
Saab 9-3 Viggen (1999)

article (in Swedish): http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=678&a=371174&previousRenderType=6

abdukted1456
27th January 2005, 01:37 PM
so what does this mean? I have a 2002 with b205R, do i now get an extended warranty for free or is this something I need to purchase?

Forgive me, I can't read Swedish.;)

SaabKen
27th January 2005, 02:21 PM
abdukted1456 [Forgive me, I can't read Swedish.;)]

Sure you can, you must have a "billy" bookcase from IKEA .....

Here's the English version:

http://research.tdwaterhouse.com/waterhouse/public/markets/news/story.asp?docKey=354-L22314295-0RUBV7LG72LQN8V0LL5BAEAQ64&Source=RTRIDS


Saab says some models damaged by cold


January 22, 2005 12:04pm ET (Reuters)


STOCKHOLM, Jan 22 (Reuters) - General Motors unit Saab said on Saturday that engines in two of its older car models could be damaged by cold weather in combination with spare use of the
vehicles.

Sweden's Saab, which markets its vehicles as especially suited for cold climates, said it would offer to service cars of the two models affected if they developed engine trouble due to
the defect.

Saab spokesman Orjan Aslund said a combination of cold weather and use of the cars for short drives, where the engine was not given time to heat up, could result in damage to the engines
of Saab 9-5 and 9-3 cars manufactured before 2002.

"We are not completely finished analysing this, but it appears that the quality of the oil is gradually degraded, leading to poorer lubrication of vital parts of the engine," Aslund said.

Saab estimated the problem could develop in roughly 3-4 percent of the cars of the affected models in its markets where severe cold occurs, mainly the Nordic region and part of the United States and Canada, he added.

Aslund said about 100,000 cars with the defect had been sold in Sweden, but would not give an estimate on how many of the vehicles had been sold in total in the areas where the engine
trouble might develop.

Saab would not give an estimate of what repairs to cars damaged due to the defect might cost the company.

"But it will cost us dearly," Aslund said, adding Saab was not considering a recall of the car models.

andante
27th January 2005, 03:00 PM
so what does this mean? I have a 2002 with b205R, do i now get an extended warranty for free or is this something I need to purchase?

According to the article it is a global commitment. It is claimed to be a unique warranty without mileage limits and with no cost for the customer. A total of 430.000 cars are involved globally. 95.000 of these have been sold in Sweden.

In the Swedish market the 'defect ratio' is about 4%. That figure is lower in warmer climats.

SaabKen
27th January 2005, 03:18 PM
According to the article it is a global commitment. It is claimed to be a unique warranty without mileage limits and with no cost for the customer. A total of 430.000 cars are involved globally. 95.000 of these have been sold in Sweden.
In the Swedish market the 'defect ratio' is about 4%. That figure is lower in warmer climats.


In article: "But it will cost us dearly," Aslund said"

I wonder how much that will impact the amount of red ink flowing out of Trollhattan .....

PunktKruger
27th January 2005, 03:30 PM
How do I check which engine I have? I assume having a 2000 9-3 is falling under the warranty? How much of the engine does this cover?

edusaab
27th January 2005, 04:20 PM
anybody can make a translation of those articles please???

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=678&a=370532

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=678&a=369999
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=678&a=369238

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=678&a=368901

thanks.....

greetings

SaabKen
27th January 2005, 04:42 PM
anybody can make a translation of those articles please???

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=678&a=370532

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=678&a=369999
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=678&a=369238

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=678&a=368901

thanks.....

greetings


See: http://research.tdwaterhouse.com/wa...4&Source=RTRIDS (http://research.tdwaterhouse.com/waterhouse/public/markets/news/story.asp?docKey=354-L22314295-0RUBV7LG72LQN8V0LL5BAEAQ64&Source=RTRIDS)

edusaab
27th January 2005, 04:46 PM
I put those links, because it seems in DN site they have more info about this, Reuters info are quite short, they don't say anithing about the 8 years warranty....


greetings

andante
27th January 2005, 09:43 PM
anybody can make a translation of those articles please???


thanks.....

greetings

I think the moral here is, that you should all learn Swedish... :cheesy:

SaabKen
28th January 2005, 12:01 AM
I think the moral here is, that you should all learn Swedish... :cheesy:

Uh, every day I bow 5 times towards Trollhattan, on my clean Saab floor mat, and say: "Svenska Aeroplan Aktiebolaget, Svenska Aeroplan Aktiebolaget, Svenska Aeroplan Aktiebolaget". Gott, ja ? :D

andante
28th January 2005, 05:50 AM
How do I check which engine I have?
Isn't that printed in the manual?

I assume having a 2000 9-3 is falling under the warranty? How much of the engine does this cover?
Saab released the press statement yesterday (January 27) - and only in Swedish. I assume they will soon provide more info + update their international websites as well.


Uh, every day I bow 5 times towards Trollhattan, on my clean Saab floor mat, and say: "Svenska Aeroplan Aktiebolaget, Svenska Aeroplan Aktiebolaget, Svenska Aeroplan Aktiebolaget". Gott, ja ? :D ?
Well, well, maybe there is hope after all even for all you Infidel North Americans. But to improve your chances to reach Saab Heaven and receive 40 virgin Saabs you must also add "There are no cars but Saab" to your chant! :cool:

edusaab
28th January 2005, 08:22 AM
jajajajajaja........it is something I thought many many many times......I must learn Swedish, everytime i look those swedish websites with a lot info about Saab..pppppprrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr and the hope one day I will visit Sweden, the Saab factory etc etc.......some time ago i downloaded a program that can translate from any lenguage to Swedish, but i loose it.....grrr it was very helpful.

greetings

SaabKen
28th January 2005, 11:26 AM
Well, well, maybe there is hope after all even for all you Infidel North Americans. But to improve your chances to reach Saab Heaven and receive 40 virgin Saabs you must also add "There are no cars but Saab" to your chant! :cool:

I'll take these 40 virgins:

5 99 EMS
5 99T
5 C900T Combi
5 C900 SPG
5 C900T CVT
5 9000 Aero
5 NG9-3 Viggen
5 9-5 Aero

"THERE ARE NO CARS BUT SAABS !"

edusaab
29th January 2005, 10:34 AM
the crankcase ventilation system it seems the cause of this problems.....

http://www.mitt-eget.com/saab/information_ccv_en.shtml

http://www.mitt-eget.se/saab/information_ccv.shtml

greetings

PunktKruger
2nd February 2005, 03:15 PM
Isn't that printed in the manual?
Probably. My second hand car didn't with a manual, unfortunately.

earthworm
4th February 2005, 05:27 PM
Due to engine problems Saab introduces 8 year engine warranty on the following models:

Saab 9-5 with the B205 och B235 engines (1998-2003)
Saab 9-3 with the B205 och B235 engines (2000-2002)
Saab 9-3 Cabriolet (2000-2003)
Saab 9-3 Viggen (1999)

article (in Swedish): http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=678&a=371174&previousRenderType=6
Were the "wrong" changes made on these newer cars, and yet the older ones are still good ??
We have a '97 and a '96..
Makes me a bit nervous, and future Saab(the GM tainted ones) ownership is out of the question.
Must we all learn Japanese and drive Hondas ??

LinearSLT
9th February 2005, 08:09 PM
It's all the T7 cars. And yes they made some changes that clearly didn't work out.

See this great site
http://www.mitt-eget.com/saab/information_ccv_en.shtml#background

Mattlach
9th February 2005, 09:38 PM
Due to engine problems Saab introduces 8 year engine warranty on the following models:

Saab 9-5 with the B205 och B235 engines (1998-2003)
Saab 9-3 with the B205 och B235 engines (2000-2002)
Saab 9-3 Cabriolet (2000-2003)
Saab 9-3 Viggen (1999)

article (in Swedish): http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=678&a=371174&previousRenderType=6


I contacted my dealer about this. He said that the recommended precaution from Saab is to use all-synthetic motor oil. The old Crankcase ventilation fix is no longer suggested as it can cause oil consumption problems.

Mattlach
9th February 2005, 09:40 PM
I am going to attempt a translation, stay tuned.

Mattlach
9th February 2005, 10:30 PM
Enjoy, but I haven't type edited it...

Don't say I don't do anything for these forums :p


Saab Extends Engine Warranty

GOTHENBURG. Saab has decided to claim liability for engine damage in the current 9-5 and old 9-3 models. All cars will recieve an 8 year warranty, in addition to past damage being repaired without any milage limitation. The only requirement is that the owner has performed regular shop service.

It has been a week since Saabs engine damage problems were revelaed in Saturday's DN. Saab acknowledged that the cars seemed to be troubled by engine damage at an alarmingly high rate, but would not say anything regarding how customers would be compensated.

Saabs answer came yesterday:

- This is our way of claiming responsibility for the trouble and costs that these problems have caused our customers, said Bength Nilemo, VP of GM Sweden (GM owns Saab cars) in a press release.

- It's a rather unique measure, but we are concerned with our customers confidence in our products, and then doing any less is insufficient, especially when dealing with a premium brand like Saab.

Roughly 95,000 cars may be affected in Sweden alone, according to Örjan Åslund, information manager at Saab Sweden. He reports that roughly 4% of these, or about 4,000 cars, have shown symptoms of damage.

So what is it that's wrong?
Saab isn't delving into the engine problems, but is only confirming that under certain circumstances with many short drives, where the engine doesn't have time to warm up properly, the motor oil breaks down faster than is normal and is incapable of sufficiently lubricating essential engine components.

Who is eligible for compensation?
Anyone who owns a Saab and has been affected by engine damage caused by insufficient lubrication should contact their local dealer and ask for compensation. The only requirement is that the owner produce the service book showing regular maintainence.

Those who no longer own a Saab, but have had previous problems are not eligible for compensation.

The engine warranty implies that a 1998 model year car will be covered for 8 years, until 2006.

- This is a unique warranty that does not have any milage limitation, said Örjan Åslund and continues:

- Imagine offering a warranty on a car that has 25,000mil (=250,000km = 155,342.7980593 miles) on the odometer.

He promises that the customers will receive 100% compensation.

- The customers will be kept damage free.

What will happen to the cars on the road?
Nothing. No recalls, no modifications, and no changed service recommendations, but those wo read their manual will notice that if the car is driven a lot in city traffic, many shorter distances, where the engine is not completely warmed up should change oil often. Every 1,000mil (=10,000km= 6,213.7119224 miles), or once a year.

And all-synthetic oil should be used. Worried customers should turn to their dealers for assistance.

Are only Saabs in Sweden affected?
The Swedish market is overrepresented as far as damaged engines go, answers Örjan Åslund, who says that Saabs comittment is global.

- Worldwide 430,000 cars are affected.

Will Saab apologize to their customers?
- This is our way of apologizing.

How will insurance agencies be compensated for the damages?
- We will initiate negotiations with the insurance agencies regarding these damages.

How much is this going to cost Saab?
- We are not releasing any numbers, but no cost is too great to regain our customers confidence.

Are 2004 and 2005 model year Saab 9-5's ok?
- Yes, they are not affected.

Can customers buy new 9-5's without worrying?
- Yes, definitely. Saab 9-5 is still the car that the insurance agency Folksam (largest insurance agent in Sweden) considers the safest in Sweden.

Saabs promises to their customers are supported by consumer representatives.

- Spontaneously I think that Saab has taken great measures to claim responsibility says Terje Eklund, technician with Motormännens riksförbund. (a swedish auto consumer group, simnilar to AAA in the U.S.)

- An eight year warranty is quite unique. It is also good that they are taking retroactive responsibility for damages. I'm assuming that they will also cover deductibles from invoked claims, he says.

Göran Andersson, department head at Konsumentverket (a swedish goverment consumer rights bureau.) agrees:

- It looks generous. I have never heard of a warranty this extensive before.

Jacques Wallner (Translated from Swedish by Matt Karlsson)
original link (http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=678&a=371174&previousRenderType=6)



Don't thank me all at once :p

Finn
10th February 2005, 04:20 PM
Thankyou Mattlach for your time :cheesy:

brokensaab
13th May 2007, 09:29 AM
Many thanks for this translation Mattlach, is it worth printing out and using as reference with my main dealer?

KC9-3SE
13th May 2007, 11:25 AM
Hmmm this sounds interesting. So is it 8 years from the manufacture date or 8 additional years added to begun at the time of the first claim? Such as if I went in to have my cars engine checked out, they found a problem, and Saab would instate the 8 year, unlimited mileage warranty, that very day and cover the bill?

I'm guessing T5 9-3's are safe from this issue?

brokensaab
13th May 2007, 12:01 PM
From what I have gathered, it is 8 years warranty from the date of registration.

snowboardin58
13th May 2007, 01:04 PM
does this mean if something goes wrong on my sludges 01 Viggen, I could potentially get it replaced? We just cleaned it up, but I'd like to get a cleaner engine

Marko A
14th May 2007, 06:54 AM
Yes. If you have full Saab service records, no problems. My workmate got his 2001 9-5 engine rebuilded by the Dealer at no cost or just some minor costs if he wanted to have something else replaced at the time as well.

Dealer is able to tell pretty easily if you have the problem or not. Let them have a look at your engine.

Herr Krupp
25th July 2007, 06:42 AM
Is the replacement of timing chains likely to qualify as an engine damage caused by insufficient lubrication? The local SAAB dealer has told me that the replacement of the timing chains is needed on my 9-5 Aero '02 with just original 100k km on it. Well, it would seem to me too early given that I had to replace the timing chain on my 9-3 '98 just at 180k km. The previous owner has had the car serviced regularly, albeit with the interval of ca 20k km.

SaabScott
25th July 2007, 10:08 AM
Is the replacement of timing chains likely to qualify as an engine damage caused by insufficient lubrication? The local SAAB dealer has told me that the replacement of the timing chains is needed on my 9-5 Aero '02 with just original 100k km on it. Well, it would seem to me too early given that I had to replace the timing chain on my 9-3 '98 just at 180k km. The previous owner has had the car serviced regularly, albeit with the interval of ca 20k km.

Given that Saab is the one providing the warranty on that, I would highly recommend that you talk to the dealer about that.
If you have all the receipts for work done, if it is something that would fall under that warranty, you should be good.