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: Saab Readies 300hp 9-3!!!


900t
14-07-04, 07:54 PM
Finally!
http://www.autocarmagazine.com/Car/Saab/9-3/1374410550.jpg

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Saab plans to muscle into the high-performance saloon market with an all-wheel-drive 300bhp version of the 9-3 that will gun for the Audi S4. The company has been testing its own four-wheel-drive system for the past two years, and insiders say the car should be ready by 2007.

Power is likely to come from a version of next year’s new V6 engine, tuned from the standard 250bhp to 300bhp. Saab is likely to share technology from partners within the GM empire, and the forthcoming Vectra VXR is the most obvious candidate.

Torquesteer has plagued high-power Saabs in recent years, as power levels stretched the limits of front-wheel-drive chassis. The worst moment came with the 9-3 Viggen (right) in 1999, which comprehensively failed to put down its 225bhp with any degree of composure. Saab has throttled back on high-power front-drivers in recent years; the most powerful 9-3 now on sale is the 210bhp 2.0 turbo Aero."

http://www.autocarmagazine.com/news_article.asp?na_id=209337

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6467

900t
14-07-04, 07:55 PM
My guess, based on this article, is they slapped a turbocharger to the 3.6 litre "High Feature" variable-valve timing made in Canada V6 currently used in the Cadillac CTS stateside (245hp).

SPG900
15-07-04, 09:41 AM
Torque steer is part of the fun though, as is extensive turbo lag.

But I don't mind an AWD Saab.

ViggenPilot
15-07-04, 12:49 PM
I wonder what they'll call it? Gripen?

I was going to hold on to my '01 Viggen Convertible for at least 10 years, but now..............with 300 hp and AWD, I might consider a jump up!

Hopefully, there will be a convertible version and a coupe as well.

ragtopcav
15-07-04, 01:10 PM
From what i've heard the new high capacity V engines will come from Holden and the smaller V units will continue to be made at Birkenhead.

squishmann
15-07-04, 08:04 PM
yes. time to save :)

Saba
15-07-04, 08:22 PM
Hmmm. lease finishes in 2008, one year into new model run (actually 2, August 2008), get a 09 9-3 V6. Perfect! :D

CosmicSaab
15-07-04, 08:28 PM
My guess, based on this article, is they slapped a turbocharger to the 3.6 litre "High Feature" variable-valve timing made in Canada V6 currently used in the Cadillac CTS stateside (245hp).

They are actually developing several turbo'd models of the High Feature V6, but in displacement of 2.8L and 3.2L. If I remember correctly, the high turbo 2.8 developed 260 hp, the low turbo 3.2 was 250. The high turbo 3.2 was 300.

squishmann
16-07-04, 05:11 PM
300HP isn't going to be enough.

in 2-3yrs it will be fine for the AERO. but not as an S4/M3 competitor. 340 and 333 HP respectively. and both of those models will receive more powerfull engines in a year.

and for the american market they have to worry about the TL and G35 who are about to start their own HP race.


linear 235
arc 260-270
aero-300

viggen/hirsch/aero- 350 and 380 torque(lol)

Nairda
18-07-04, 03:43 PM
The current M3 weighs 3500lbs and its motor puts out a
pathetic 269lb-ft of torque @ 4900rpm. I have no doubts
that a AWD 9-3 putting out 300hp+ and a minimum of 300lb-ft
torque a low rpm will feel and be faster than the overrated
M3. I also doubt Saab will compete in the same price range,
the S60R will be the AWD 9-3s competition not an overpriced
S4 or M3.

cxcheng
01-08-04, 04:06 PM
It is not like BMW doesn't know a thing or two about weight savinsg. The new BMW 3.0L I6, with 260+hp weighs in at about 160kg which is lighter than the older Porsche Boxster's 2.5L H6. Sure sounds like a very impressive engine on paper. Audis are heavier because of their drivetrains (not-to-mention power losses). So Saab would also have to suffer the same fate moving to AWD.

The market simply demands a car that comes with lots of sound insulation and comfort features, not-to-mention size. Just wondering where we are going with this horsepower war. I do like to see the 9-3 Aero going to 300hp and a Viggen version hitting 400hp. The new M5 already goes over 500hp, and the Cadillac CTS-V may hit 500hp once it's re-equipped with the LS7 engine from the next Z06.

I'm eagerly awaiting the Lotus Elise which does away with smaller brakes, lighter (read: weaker) wheels, and all sorts of savings from lightweight. OTOH, much as Lotus or Lotusi may market the virtues of a lightweight aluminium chassis, I suspect most of the savings come from taking away most of the features and creature comforts that customers are spoiled with these days. The Corvette's steel chassis doesn't weigh that much more than the Elise's, yet it hits 3000+lbs.

fabric
02-08-04, 11:29 AM
I'm eagerly awaiting the Lotus Elise which does away with smaller brakes, lighter (read: weaker) wheels, and all sorts of savings from lightweight. OTOH, much as Lotus or Lotusi may market the virtues of a lightweight aluminium chassis, I suspect most of the savings come from taking away most of the features and creature comforts that customers are spoiled with these days. The Corvette's steel chassis doesn't weigh that much more than the Elise's, yet it hits 3000+lbs.


The chassis of the Elise weighs 150 pounds. I doubt the Corvette is even close.

900t
02-08-04, 06:46 PM
The Elise chassis, by Lotus' own admission weighs 160lb's.

And it's this:

http://www.puresportscar.com/specs/Chassis-side.jpg

The Corvette chassis weighs more, but don't forget the Corvette is a much larger, much more powerful and much faster (on the top-end at least) car. But it is remarkably light, although I have no figures to shed light on that fact, but innovative features such as the balsa-wood floorboard introduced on the 1997 Corvette help.

cxcheng
03-08-04, 12:55 AM
The Corvette's steel chassis is about 260lbs or so, and it can be brought down to about 200lbs perhaps in hydroformed aluminium form (rumors have it that the Z06 version of the C6 may go aluminium but I doubt it's that easy). It needs to be stronger than the Elise's chassis because it needs to support more weight and a lot more power. Either case, the Elise is the most comfortable go-kart in the world.

fabric
03-08-04, 12:08 PM
Looks like it's a little of both. The lotus chassis can be so light because it's not carrying around so much weight. A corvette weighs around 1200lbs more than a lotus, it's about 2 feet longer, and a foot wider, wheelbase is about a foot longer.

Corvette already is a light car because of the fiberglass body. I also saw some specs on the C5R, which is the racing version - it's 2500lbs, although that's probably with a full roll cage and carrying more fuel, but minus all the amenities.

Someone just needs to bolt a turbocharger on the Elise.

martrider
07-10-04, 11:04 PM
They have, Its called the Vauxhall VX220 Turbo, :D (Or the Opel Speedster in Europe)

It's basically an Elise chassis and lotus helped tune the suspension. Take a look, its bloody fantastic, and cheap by English standards.

If you're really into Lotus' and don't already know, research the "Lotus Carlton", basically the original M5 but made by Vauxhall and Lotus.

http://vauxhall.co.uk/microsites/vx220Turbo/main.jhtml

Anybody seen OZZY_UK?

Martin "Newbie" Rider

Saba
08-10-04, 02:38 AM
Holden readies a twin turbo 3.6L V6 putting out 280Nm (375hp) and 420 Nm (355 lbft)


http://carsguide.news.com.au/news/story_page/0,8269,11001592%255E21822,00.html

http://carsguide.news.com.au/news/story_page/0,8269,10999055%255E21822,00.html

http://carsguide.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,3600,386134,00.jpg

http://carsguide.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,3600,386137,00.jpg

If Saab doesn't come out with a Twin turbo V6. I can guarantee this will be my next car.

SaabKen
08-10-04, 10:08 AM
Nice, uh, fenders ....... :P

valbowski1980
26-10-04, 10:48 PM
The current M3 weighs 3500lbs and its motor puts out a
pathetic 269lb-ft of torque @ 4900rpm.
So a car that runs 0-60 in 4.8 and the quarter mile in 13.6 is pathetic and overweight?

I have no doubts
that a AWD 9-3 putting out 300hp+ and a minimum of 300lb-ft
torque a low rpm will feel and be faster than the overrated
M3. I also doubt Saab will compete in the same price range,
the S60R will be the AWD 9-3s competition not an overpriced
S4 or M3.
The M3 is a balls to the walls 2-door sports car not a 4-door luxo sedan like the ones you've listed. Can't say I'm a fan of the S4 but the S60R is a nice ride.

Rob in Atlanta
17-11-04, 02:50 PM
I wonder what they'll call it? Gripen?

Gripen = lots of traction from All wheel drive

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Rob in Atlanta

SaabKen
17-11-04, 05:49 PM
I wonder what they'll call it? Gripen?
Gripen = lots of traction from All wheel drive
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Rob in Atlanta

Grippin' ....... ja !

garry
18-11-04, 08:32 PM
300 HP ...so what?..... 500 hp ,,, im still not impressed :-? .....

Todays cars need all the horses they can get as they have to overcome the additional weight of soundproofing/electric toys/AWD running gear and subsequent power'energy loss and then the traction control simply cuts out what additional fun is left.

Its a pointless game with no winners.

Anyone been to a scrap yard recently?.... they used to be full of very old rusty cars.
You only find new cars in scrap yards today.
I challenge the responsibility of the motor manufacurers who create and help to promote the 'speed culture' ...

More road noise and heavier steering please. and I want 90mph to feel very fast indeed so I dont feel tempted to go any faster. etc etc rant.
and I want either the front wheels OR the back wheels to let me know the traction is bad so I can back off the speed, I dont want All four Wheels to loose traction at the same time.

AWD with the twitchy feedback you get from a good FWD chassis @ the limit would be a good start if its decided that over 220bhp and AWD is essential :roll: ...damn, cars must be heavy today to warrant that power level.

RallySaab=68=
19-11-04, 12:12 AM
I agree completely. The whole speed and horsepower thing is way out of hand. Through the years our definition of "fast" has increased enormously. The whole problem is our sense of the definition of fast. If a lamborgini topped out at 120 mph you'd probably get white knuckled at any speed near 100. But of course we know cars go much faster. I think in the case of cars, competition is breeding a faster product. But its not a product that we need, although it may be what we want. Its rediculous that speed has progressed much faster than safety.

Id be happy with a Saab 900 with a 4 speed gearbox and a top speed of 90 mph but impressive acceleation. Id be in heaven until a string of cars behind me starts honking because their cars can't idle at speeds under 90 mph.